Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

JamesNaismith · Post #421 » by **JamesNaismith** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:03 am

Secretly I'm kinda liking Quincy's slow recovery. Not only is he becoming a better rebounder and passer but I'm so hoping and praying he regains form, explodes but teams don't pick him up and claim he just got on a roll in the tourney then we pick him up for Davis....what a dream come true that would be.

Everyone seems to continue to write him off but forget how long it usually takes to recover from that injury. Realistically he shouldn't even be playing yet but I'm sure he doesn't want the injury to stick too much in the minds of scouts. I believe it was the same type of injury as Blake Griffin's (who sat out his ENTIRE rookie season just praying QM bounces back the same).

Dr Positivity · Post #422 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:10 am

Miller tore his ACL while Blake's patella split

It's been over a year for Miller's, technically it's reasonable to say he's still recovering but I don't know if he's ever been known as a quicker player than this

Post #423 » by **gojoorange** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:49 am

fredericklove wrote:
WhatsaTDot wrote:Freddy Love's draft sig changes faster than a vegas show girl.

So far its been;

Draft AD
Draft HB
Draft MKG
Draft PJ3

I guess you're bound to be happy with one of those.

Nope. If it was last year I'd go with Irving bandwagon all the way but this year I'm confused as f*ck. Maybe I wanna go with one of ADs bandwagons cos I'm tired of seeing Bargs in the lineup. Having one of the ADs mean we can use Bargs and Ed as trading chips. Nothing makes me happier than seeing an entire new raps lineup

No way guy. You were steering that Kemba Walker bandwagon all the way to draft day.

fredericklove · Post #424 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:00 am

JamesNaismith wrote:I still stay strong in my pick for Drummond.

I just don't believe a kid that's already shown more skill then Bynum, who's already bigger then Amare and appears to pretty easily on route to be the weight of Howard but taller will be anything less then a MAJOR asset moving forward. Worst case, he is another Bynum lol...best case...sky's the limit.

TWIN TOWERS is THE answer!

*heaven is trading Ed after that to grab Quincy (if healthy) or MKG

Yea...Drummond's potential is unlimited, I hate his lack of motor but at the same time he has all the tools to become an elite player..., I hope to trade for Wilson Chandler tho, the dude can rebound, score, knock down 3s plays solid defense. I hope nuggets take bargs so we can have a solid SF veteran for our team.

If we can get a value in return from ed it'll be nice.

Val
Drummond
Chlander
Demar
Point Guard (Kabongo?)

fredericklove · Post #425 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:02 am

gojoorange wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
WhatsaTDot wrote:Freddy Love's draft sig changes faster than a vegas show girl.

So far its been;

Draft AD
Draft HB
Draft MKG
Draft PJ3

I guess you're bound to be happy with one of those.

Nope. If it was last year I'd go with Irving bandwagon all the way but this year I'm confused as f*ck. Maybe I wanna go with one of ADs bandwagons cos I'm tired of seeing Bargs in the lineup. Having one of the ADs mean we can use Bargs and Ed as trading chips. Nothing makes me happier than seeing an entire new raps lineup

No way guy. You were steering that Kemba Walker bandwagon all the way to draft day.

I had Irving sig on the whole time and was supporting him the whole season and then got heart-broken from the 5th pick selection news, thats when I shifted toward to kemba bandwagon.

JamesNaismith · Post #426 » by **JamesNaismith** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:12 am

Sometimes I really think that guys like Drummond and PJones will be top of BC's list.

It just seems Bryan loves players that are considered "raw" with big upside ie/ Amare, DeMar, Marion, Valanciunas, heck even Jrue (since Collison had him playing out of position)...here's hoping the trend continues

fredericklove · Post #427 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:17 am

JamesNaismith wrote:Sometimes I really think that guys like Drummond and PJones will be top of BC's list.

It just seems Bryan loves players that are considered "raw" with big upside ie/ Amare, DeMar, Marion, Valanciunas, heck even Jrue (since Collison had him playing out of position)...here's hoping the trend continues

ah jrue....damn that kid drafted at 17th geez....I'd take Jrue over Demar anyday, sixers really got the 2nd steal of the draft behind rubio from wolves. but I agree, I even said it b4 that BC thinks he liken D12 to Amare "rawness". If D12 pans out, I can see him putting up Rupaul type numbers: 22 pts, 8-9 reb, but with 2+ blocks. Obviously he'll play better defense than Rupaul.

Post #428 » by **gojoorange** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:26 am

JamesNaismith wrote:Sometimes I really think that guys like Drummond and PJones will be top of BC's list.

It just seems Bryan loves players that are considered "raw" with big upside ie/ Amare, DeMar, Marion, Valanciunas, heck even Jrue (since Collison had him playing out of position)...here's hoping the trend continues

Drummond has the potential to be a monster, but there are so many other players with huge upside in this draft. I mean, both Anthony Davis and Perry Jones are over 6'10" and can handle the ball, and shoot like guards. That's insane. Also, a lot of people are a bit down on Barnes lately, but I still see him as a potential game changer. If we ended up drafting any one of those four players I would be ecstatic.

JamesNaismith · Post #429 » by **JamesNaismith** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:30 am

fredericklove wrote:
JamesNaismith wrote:Sometimes I really think that guys like Drummond and PJones will be top of BC's list.

It just seems Bryan loves players that are considered "raw" with big upside ie/ Amare, DeMar, Marion, Valanciunas, heck even Jrue (since Collison had him playing out of position)...here's hoping the trend continues

ah jrue....damn that kid drafted at 17th geez....I'd take Jrue over Demar anyday, sixers really got the 2nd steal of the draft behind rubio from wolves. but I agree, I even said it b4 that BC thinks he liken D12 to Amare "rawness". If D12 pans out, I can see him putting up Rupaul type numbers: 22 pts, 8-9 reb, but with 2+ blocks. Obviously he'll play better defense than Rupaul.

I actually see Drummond's numbers resembling Howard's more then Bosh's. Andre should be a very solid rebounder and easily a better shot blocker. He hasn't blown anyone away with his offence as yet but I think he has more to offer then what's been displayed.

I don't think 18ppg is a stretch though.

I think he would become more a 18ppg, 11rpg, 2bpg and a pretty good assist per game for a big man. I do actually believe he can become a 22+ppg scorer as well but don't want to hear everyone flame away just cuz he hasn't produced at that level as yet (although he is starting to beast)

bboyskinnylegs · Post #430 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:45 pm

having a twin towers duo with Jonas and Drummond would be the best possible outcome imo, I think those two could develop into a beastly frontcourt that can challenge any in the league on both ends, and imo would be the best shot for us to become a relevant playoff team. Having them both locked up on concurrent rookie deals would be huge for our team.

Post #431 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:40 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:having a twin towers duo with Jonas and Drummond would be the best possible outcome imo, I think those two could develop into a beastly frontcourt that can challenge any in the league on both ends, and imo would be the best shot for us to become a relevant playoff team. Having them both locked up on concurrent rookie deals would be huge for our team.

Getting Drummond would be sweet because even if he doesn't work out he'll hold big trade value as a rare commodity with potential, same reason Jonas was the obvious choice. AD, too.

Drummond/Jonas
A. Davis/Jonas
Lamb/Jonas
Perry/Jonas

They all sound good to me, rice and any kind of bean. I don't even mind not getting a big, Lamb/Jonas/Ed sounds great, too. Demar doesn't really fit in any scenario other than maybe PJ3 but he'll net us a SF or PG in a trade, hopefully a draft pick to keep the contracts in line. Demar not fitting is his problem, or his game's, tbh so I'm not worried about him.

HSOB SIRHC · Post #432 » by **HSOB SIRHC** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:57 pm

I'm still hoping and praying for this line up. I think it's not that farfetched to think Bargnani + something can net us a second first round pick. Asik has a qualifying option next year, he's a solid center. And I'm pretty sure Iggy can be had.

Rivers/??
Derozan/Barbosa
Iggy or gay/ Johnson
Drummond/Davis
JV/Asik

nahom1319 · Post #433 » by **nahom1319** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:35 am

HSOB SIRHC wrote:I'm still hoping and praying for this line up. I think it's not that farfetched to think Bargnani + something can net us a second first round pick. Asik has a qualifying option next year, he's a solid center. And I'm pretty sure Iggy can be had.

Rivers/??
Derozan/Barbosa
Iggy or gay/ Johnson
Drummond/Davis
JV/Asik

LOL this beyond unrealistic.... lets assume we suck enough to get drummond, and assume that Bargnani and something gets you a second pick....exactly who do you trade to aquire iggy or rudy gay? LOL Amir alone isn't getting it done.

HSOB SIRHC · Post #434 » by **HSOB SIRHC** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:39 am

It's all about Cap space. If the teams don't want to be stuck with those big contracts we can offer them cap space and future picks.

nahom1319 · Post #435 » by **nahom1319** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:52 am

HSOB SIRHC wrote:It's all about Cap space. If the teams don't want to be stuck with those big contracts we can offer them cap space and future picks.

LOL would you give up Iggy for capspace? LOL we won't even give up bargnani for capspace :lol:

HSOB SIRHC · Post #436 » by **HSOB SIRHC** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:58 am

nahom1319 wrote:
HSOB SIRHC wrote:It's all about Cap space. If the teams don't want to be stuck with those big contracts we can offer them cap space and future picks.

LOL would you give up Iggy for capspace? LOL we won't even give up bargnani for capspace

If I couldn't get much value in return and already have Evan Turner and Thad Young, of course I would.

Or also, if I didn't want to go over the cap with the players I already have (ex. Gasol, Z-bo and the others)

JamesNaismith · Post #437 » by **JamesNaismith** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:31 am

1. I doubt that Iggy or Gay are given up for strictly cap space and in that given scenario. I would only target Gay cuz Iggy isn't that dynamic of a scorer. As much as we all hate Bargs, his scoring would need to be replaced and need a better shooter.

2. I wouldn't use that pick on OJ Mayo *ahem* I mean Austin Rivers. I try to get Jones/Barnes/MKG/Miller instead. Rivers has tunnel vision and if we had Drummond and Val we would need a good passing PG so we either use that cap space (which is far more likely) for one or see how far Kabongo or Wroten fall in the draft and package our 2nd rdr with something (like an additional 2nd rdr or two for the following years)

DemarEvolution · Post #438 » by **DemarEvolution** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:56 pm

The way I see it there really isn't superstar potential in this upcoming draft.

Anthony Davis - could be special, definitely an impact player when he reaches the NBA level.
Drummond - star potential for sure, but something tells me hes a project and possibly won't pan out
Jeremy Lamb - star guard in the making, but something tells me hes just going to be a random player that won't have that much impact
Barnes - solid role player, don't see him becoming a superstar
Perry Jones - I think I have the most money on this guy, but just looking at him it seems he doesn't have motivation/hard work ethic

If I had to draft it would be

1. Anthony Davis
2. Perry Jones
3. Jeremy Lamb
4. Drummond

fredericklove · Post #439 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:00 am

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[SJJ] · Post #440 » by **[SJJ]** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:43 pm

Obviously we can't make fair assumptions as to who we'll draft until the tourney & the draft lottery but for now this draft has me scratching my head on the basis of our current roster. Especially if we get a top four pick.

Ed Davis & Jonas have the potential to be something awesome in this league. I really think Ed is our best player (yes, ahead of DD and Dre). If we get a top four pick, though, one of Ed or Jonas are as good as gone. They have enough upside to net us another top-10 to 15 pick in this draft which would be perfect to grab one of the small forwards in this year's crop. Considering three of the top four players in this years' draft are either power forwards or centers only adds to the argument.
The other player in the top four is Jeremy Lamb in my opinion who obviously plays the same position as DD. I wouldn't say I'm as high on Demar as some others are but I still think it's much too early to trade him even though I think Lamb is the best player in this draft (smaller Durant).

The season is just starting and I'm just thinking out loud but for now it looks as though the front office is going to have a tough decision to make come June.

Who do you want the Raptors to draft in the 2012 NBA Draft?