Top 5 Prospects for 2012 NBA Draft

7-Day Dray · Post #341 » by **7-Day Dray** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:04 am

I'm not too impressed with Terrence Jones... I don't think he'll be a great pro. He'll be the definition of a tweener.

bigboi · Post #342 » by **bigboi** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:07 am

Honestly I think Gilchrist is the best player on Kentucky, Davis is the best prospect though. But Davis seems to be getting worse and worse while Drummond is going to get better without the mask.

ManualRam · Post #343 » by **ManualRam** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:13 am

bigboi wrote:Honestly I think Gilchrist is the best player on Kentucky, Davis is the best prospect though. But Davis seems to be getting worse and worse while Drummond is going to get better without the mask.

how is davis getting worse and worse?

bigboi · Post #344 » by **bigboi** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:28 am

ManualRam wrote:
bigboi wrote:Honestly I think Gilchrist is the best player on Kentucky, Davis is the best prospect though. But Davis seems to be getting worse and worse while Drummond is going to get better without the mask.

how is davis getting worse and worse?

I exaggerated, he's in a bad stretch kind of, but Kentucky does need to try to get him the ball. I thought they would be running the offense through him, but they've done the exact opposite.

ManualRam · Post #345 » by **ManualRam** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:33 am

bigboi wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
bigboi wrote:Honestly I think Gilchrist is the best player on Kentucky, Davis is the best prospect though. But Davis seems to be getting worse and worse while Drummond is going to get better without the mask.

how is davis getting worse and worse?

I exaggerated, he's in a bad stretch kind of, but Kentucky does need to try to get him the ball. I thought they would be running the offense through him, but they've done the exact opposite.

coach cal has tweaked his offense a bit, but kentucky still runs the dribble drive offense, which reduces the bigs to screeners, rollers, o-boarders and clean up guys. davis is doing exactly what he's supposed to do and doing it efficiently (~70% from the floor). he cant call his own number.

Catchall · Post #346 » by **Catchall** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:51 am

1 Davis
2 Drummond
3 Perry Jones
4 Sullinger
5 Miller
6 J. Lamb
7 Barnes
8 Kidd-Gilchrist
9 Thomas Robinson
10 Henson/Beal
11 Beal/Henson

I don't think anyone is a lock for the first overall pick, but Davis looks to be in the lead

maoriboy · Post #347 » by **maoriboy** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:41 pm

1) Andre Drummond
2) Anthony Davis
3) Jeremy Lamb
4) Jared Sullinger / Perry Jones
5) Perry Jones / Jared Sullinger
6) Harrison Barnes

BasedWiseman · Post #348 » by **BasedWiseman** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:58 pm

1.Drummond
2.Perry Jones
3.Anthony Davis
4.Jeremy Lanb
5.Quincy Miller
6.Micheal Kidd-Gilchrst
7.Harrison Barnes
8.Bradley Beal
9.Sullinger
10.T-rob

The more i see Davis,the less impressed i am.

Roger Murdock · Post #349 » by **Roger Murdock** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:26 pm

1. Perry Jones III
2. Anthony Davis
3. Jeremy Lamb
4. Michael Kidd Gilchrist
5. Bradley Beal

I left out Drummond because I wouldnt risk taking him yet, I'd rather trade down if he was on the board.

fredericklove · Post #350 » by **fredericklove** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:47 am

1. Anthony Davis
2. Perry Jones III
3. Andre Drummond
4. Harrison Barnes
5. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

Post #351 » by **UGA Hayes** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:26 pm

I have a general question. Why do mpeople have Barnes ahead of gilchrist Kidd. What does Barnes actually do better than him?

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mic ... rist-5707/

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Har ... rnes-5705/

ManualRam · Post #352 » by **ManualRam** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:17 pm

UGA Hayes wrote:I have a general question. Why do mpeople have Barnes ahead of gilchrist Kidd. What does Barnes actually do better than him?

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mic ... rist-5707/

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Har ... rnes-5705/

Shoot and score.

Roger Murdock · Post #353 » by **Roger Murdock** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:52 am

ManualRam wrote:
UGA Hayes wrote:I have a general question. Why do mpeople have Barnes ahead of gilchrist Kidd. What does Barnes actually do better than him?

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mic ... rist-5707/

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Har ... rnes-5705/

Shoot and score.

But not really. I know its just numbers and whatnot but Barnes shoots lower from 2, 3, and the stripe. Hes a pretty bad free throw shooter for someone who's strength is supposed to be shooting, and hes not as good at creating off the dribble and scoring as Gilchrist is.

ManualRam · Post #354 » by **ManualRam** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:20 am

Roger Murdock wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
UGA Hayes wrote:I have a general question. Why do mpeople have Barnes ahead of gilchrist Kidd. What does Barnes actually do better than him?

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mic ... rist-5707/

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Har ... rnes-5705/

Shoot and score.

But not really. I know its just numbers and whatnot but Barnes shoots lower from 2, 3, and the stripe. Hes a pretty bad free throw shooter for someone who's strength is supposed to be shooting, and hes not as good at creating off the dribble and scoring as Gilchrist is.

yeah, he is. gilchrist is an energy, transition, hustle player on both ends of the floor. he cant play banres current role which is the primary perimeter threat on the team. he'll never be a go to player. at best he's a lesser 3rd or 4th option offensively on a good team who capitalizes on the attention that others draw. neither are good ball-handlers, but i'd count more on barnes creating his own shot than gilchrist. barnes is easily the better shooter. that's not even debatable. gilchrist shoots more layups so his FG% is higher, but barnes is shooting 49% from 3. i have no doubt his FT% wont stay below 70 forever. his stroke is too good.

Cammo101 · Post #355 » by **Cammo101** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:04 am

Barnes is a MUCH better offensive player than MKG.

peachbucket · Post #356 » by **peachbucket** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:34 pm

1. Anthony Davis
2. Meyers Leonard
3. Andre Drummond
4. Tony Wroten Jr.
5. Jeremy Lamb/Bradley Beal

Roger Murdock · Post #357 » by **Roger Murdock** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:51 pm

ManualRam wrote:
Roger Murdock wrote:But not really. I know its just numbers and whatnot but Barnes shoots lower from 2, 3, and the stripe. Hes a pretty bad free throw shooter for someone who's strength is supposed to be shooting, and hes not as good at creating off the dribble and scoring as Gilchrist is.

yeah, he is. gilchrist is an energy, transition, hustle player on both ends of the floor. he cant play banres current role which is the primary perimeter threat on the team. he'll never be a go to player. at best he's a lesser 3rd or 4th option offensively on a good team who capitalizes on the attention that others draw. neither are good ball-handlers, but i'd count more on barnes creating his own shot than gilchrist. barnes is easily the better shooter. that's not even debatable. gilchrist shoots more layups so his FG% is higher, but barnes is shooting 49% from 3. i have no doubt his FT% wont stay below 70 forever. his stroke is too good.

My point was that Barnes strength is supposed to be as a shooter, and MKGs weakness is shooting, yet Barnes isn't vastly superior at putting the ball in the basket. Barnes is extremely weak at shooting for someone whos supposed to be a top 5 pick because they are a good shooter.

Barnes won't be a first option in the NBA either. They are both 3rd options most likely, but MKG does lots of other things.

ManualRam · Post #358 » by **ManualRam** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:59 pm

Roger Murdock wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
Roger Murdock wrote:But not really. I know its just numbers and whatnot but Barnes shoots lower from 2, 3, and the stripe. Hes a pretty bad free throw shooter for someone who's strength is supposed to be shooting, and hes not as good at creating off the dribble and scoring as Gilchrist is.

yeah, he is. gilchrist is an energy, transition, hustle player on both ends of the floor. he cant play banres current role which is the primary perimeter threat on the team. he'll never be a go to player. at best he's a lesser 3rd or 4th option offensively on a good team who capitalizes on the attention that others draw. neither are good ball-handlers, but i'd count more on barnes creating his own shot than gilchrist. barnes is easily the better shooter. that's not even debatable. gilchrist shoots more layups so his FG% is higher, but barnes is shooting 49% from 3. i have no doubt his FT% wont stay below 70 forever. his stroke is too good.

My point was that Barnes strength is supposed to be as a shooter, and MKGs weakness is shooting, yet Barnes isn't vastly superior at putting the ball in the basket. Barnes is extremely weak at shooting for someone whos supposed to be a top 5 pick because they are a good shooter.

Barnes won't be a first option in the NBA either. They are both 3rd options most likely, but MKG does lots of other things.

49% from 3. extremely weak? i say that's pretty damn good shooting.
vastly superior at putting the ball in the basket? maybe not. but barnes is better in that area by a good margin.

Post #359 » by **UGA Hayes** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:27 am

MKG has the better TS% and eFG% on on four less shot attempts and score exactly the same points per play. Barnes just shoots more.

ManualRam · Post #360 » by **ManualRam** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:38 am

UGA Hayes wrote:MKG has the better TS% and eFG% on on four less shot attempts and score exactly the same points per play. Barnes just shoots more.

you're basically comparing the %'s of an interior player to a perimeter player.
barnes is the primary perimeter threat for UNC. MKG gets the overwhelming majority of his in transition and off garbage buckets.