Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

Saciid11 · Post #441 » by **Saciid11** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:30 pm

I have bad feeling about Drummand and Perry Jones , I think if they ever live up to their hype they will leave Toronto at the first chance. They are not only gone leave Toronto, but they seem like they type of player that don't have the motor or bbiq to reach they potential...

Raps is better of getting 3rd pick to 10th pick

1. Barnes Harrison ... He will be much better player in the nba ... Franchise player for Raps
2. Jeremy Lamb ... Can create his own shot at will .... better version of Kevin Martin or smaller Kevin Durant

3. Antony Davis ... if we didn't have Ed Davis and Amir Johnson ... he would be ahead of Barnes and Lamb

4. Austin River ... Can play both guard position ... can slash with ease, can create his own shot with ease ...

5. Brad Beal ... can play both ends of the court and is already amazing shooter and decent defender

Derozen to me can play both the two guard and small forward position ...

nahom1319 · Post #442 » by **nahom1319** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:53 pm

Ahh yes the fear that after 6 years a player will leave.... you realize we can trade them before then right? BPA all the way.

RomaniaLuvTR · Post #443 » by **RomaniaLuvTR** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:56 pm

fredericklove wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2l_Qwmf5Qk[/youtube]

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Saciid11 · Post #444 » by **Saciid11** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:20 pm

nahom1319 wrote:Ahh yes the fear that after 6 years a player will leave.... you realize we can trade them before then right? BPA all the way.

6 years ?? I don't even think these two will even agree to play in Toronto and besides they can't even dominate much smaller college players. People are down on barnes for not putting crazy state and dominating, but I don't see Perry or Drummand dominating at all ... hell Barnes who is on much deeper team is playing way better and putting up better state then both of them. As right now Drummand and Perry are all hype...

Saciid11 · Post #445 » by **Saciid11** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:22 pm

RomaniaLuvTR wrote:
fredericklove wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2l_Qwmf5Qk[/youtube]

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The guy guarding him looks like 6'7 and come on it's against holy Cross...

Post #446 » by **5DOM** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:25 pm

Saciid11 wrote:The guy guarding him looks like 6'7 and come on it's against holy Cross...

isn't that supposed to be more impressive?

Post #447 » by **Undefeated** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:26 pm

Saciid11 wrote:6 years ?? I don't even think these two will even agree to play in Toronto and besides they can't even dominate much smaller college players. People are down on barnes for not putting crazy state and dominating, but I don't see Perry or Drummand dominating at all ... hell Barnes who is on much deeper team is playing way better and putting up better state then both of them. As right now Drummand and Perry are all hype...

Uh, Perry Jones has been dominating for the last two weeks or so.

Saciid11 · Post #448 » by **Saciid11** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:28 pm

5DOM wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:The guy guarding him looks like 6'7 and come on it's against holy Cross...

isn't that supposed to be more impressive?

Ya Holy Cross is power in NCAA ...

Saciid11 · Post #449 » by **Saciid11** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:34 pm

Undefeated wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:6 years ?? I don't even think these two will even agree to play in Toronto and besides they can't even dominate much smaller college players. People are down on barnes for not putting crazy state and dominating, but I don't see Perry or Drummand dominating at all ... hell Barnes who is on much deeper team is playing way better and putting up better state then both of them. As right now Drummand and Perry are all hype...

Uh, Perry Jones has been dominating for the last two weeks or so.

Ya Perry Jones is dominating with 14ppg and 6 rebound a game ( at 6'11) and best of all he is playing at Baylor ... While Barnes is putting better numbers on deeper team and he is called out for not playing better ...

Post #450 » by **5DOM** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:40 pm

Better numbers?

While Perry Jones is playing more minutes, he still has better FG%, 3P%, RPG, APG, BPG, SPG and less TO than Barnes.

And one could argue that Barnes' efficiency is actually inflated because he plays in a stacked team. Also stats suggest that Barnes is actually a below average defender.

Meanwhile Drummond is averaging 10PPG (62%), 6.5RPG and 2.9BPG. That's pretty good for a big man project who's a year younger than both Barnes and Jones. Remember how Barnes was playing this time last year?

Pseudonym · Post #451 » by **Pseudonym** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:49 pm

Or...that Barnes bricks anything that isn't a spot up jumper.

Post #452 » by **5DOM** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:52 pm

Pseudonym wrote:Or...that Barnes bricks anything that isn't a spot up jumper.

Yeah I doubt playing on a stacked team's hurting Barnes right now.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #453 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:53 pm

5DOM wrote:Better numbers?

While Perry Jones is playing more minutes, he still has better FG%, 3P%, RPG, APG, BPG, SPG and less TO than Barnes.

And one could argue that Barnes' efficiency is actually inflated because he plays in a stacked team. Also stats suggest that Barnes is actually a below average defender.

Meanwhile Drummond is averaging 10PPG (62%), 6.5RPG and 2.9BPG. That's pretty good for a big man project who's a year younger than both Barnes and Jones. Remember how Barnes was playing this time last year?

Here's the thing about Drummond; he's supposed to be a project like Dwight Howard or Amare Stoudamire were at the same time. But do you have any doubt that either of those 2 would have dominated college ball if they hadn't skipped it to go to the NBA? Obviously no one knows for sure, and maybe they would have been mediocre, but let's not forget that Amare won ROY which is after your first season IN THE NBA, not college. And Howard averaged a double-double after his first season IN THE NBA as well, not college. Drummond on the other hand is NOT even close to either of those feats against much inferior competition.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #454 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:55 pm

Harrison Barnes' offensive game seems to be the small forward version of Andrea Bargnani. Much of it are one dribble pull-ups or simply perimeter shots in general. We so desperately need a guy who can handle the ball next to DeMar that I'm not sure Harrison is the answer.

God Squad · Post #455 » by **God Squad** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:21 pm

5DOM wrote:Better numbers?

While Perry Jones is playing more minutes, he still has better FG%, 3P%, RPG, APG, BPG, SPG and less TO than Barnes.

And one could argue that Barnes' efficiency is actually inflated because he plays in a stacked team. Also stats suggest that Barnes is actually a below average defender.

Meanwhile Drummond is averaging 10PPG (62%), 6.5RPG and 2.9BPG. That's pretty good for a big man project who's a year younger than both Barnes and Jones. Remember how Barnes was playing this time last year?

This, Stop over-valuing Barnes. He has not be great. He's been Mediocre even. I wouldn't be upset if we draft Barnes. But don't look at ppg and compare the two. It's like you ONLY watch NC games. Baylor says its own share of offensive weapons and **** guard play.

Anyways, I understand being down on Drummond, But his potential speaks louder than words. I think Perry can be a legit star. Either in the mold of a face up 4, or a 3. That's up to scouts and combines.

nahom1319 · Post #456 » by **nahom1319** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:38 pm

Saciid11 wrote:
nahom1319 wrote:Ahh yes the fear that after 6 years a player will leave.... you realize we can trade them before then right? BPA all the way.

6 years ?? I don't even think these two will even agree to play in Toronto and besides they can't even dominate much smaller college players. People are down on barnes for not putting crazy state and dominating, but I don't see Perry or Drummand dominating at all ... hell Barnes who is on much deeper team is playing way better and putting up better state then both of them. As right now Drummand and Perry are all hype...

Lmao we will still retain their rights... they aren't going to play in the nba if they don't report to the team that drafted them. Your insane if you think rookies in this day and age are going to dictate where they play, that is David Stern's level your effing with.

Post #457 » by **Alfred** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:42 pm

BlackFalcon wrote:
5DOM wrote:Better numbers?

While Perry Jones is playing more minutes, he still has better FG%, 3P%, RPG, APG, BPG, SPG and less TO than Barnes.

And one could argue that Barnes' efficiency is actually inflated because he plays in a stacked team. Also stats suggest that Barnes is actually a below average defender.

Meanwhile Drummond is averaging 10PPG (62%), 6.5RPG and 2.9BPG. That's pretty good for a big man project who's a year younger than both Barnes and Jones. Remember how Barnes was playing this time last year?

Here's the thing about Drummond; he's supposed to be a project like Dwight Howard or Amare Stoudamire were at the same time. But do you have any doubt that either of those 2 would have dominated college ball if they hadn't skipped it to go to the NBA? Obviously no one knows for sure, and maybe they would have been mediocre, but let's not forget that Amare won ROY which is after your first season IN THE NBA, not college. And Howard averaged a double-double after his first season IN THE NBA as well, not college. Drummond on the other hand is NOT even close to either of those feats against much inferior competition.

Well, DeAndre Jordan suuuuucked at Texas A&M. He was so raw he couldn't even get on the floor.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #458 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:57 pm

Alfred wrote:
BlackFalcon wrote:
5DOM wrote:Better numbers?

While Perry Jones is playing more minutes, he still has better FG%, 3P%, RPG, APG, BPG, SPG and less TO than Barnes.

And one could argue that Barnes' efficiency is actually inflated because he plays in a stacked team. Also stats suggest that Barnes is actually a below average defender.

Meanwhile Drummond is averaging 10PPG (62%), 6.5RPG and 2.9BPG. That's pretty good for a big man project who's a year younger than both Barnes and Jones. Remember how Barnes was playing this time last year?

Here's the thing about Drummond; he's supposed to be a project like Dwight Howard or Amare Stoudamire were at the same time. But do you have any doubt that either of those 2 would have dominated college ball if they hadn't skipped it to go to the NBA? Obviously no one knows for sure, and maybe they would have been mediocre, but let's not forget that Amare won ROY which is after your first season IN THE NBA, not college. And Howard averaged a double-double after his first season IN THE NBA as well, not college. Drummond on the other hand is NOT even close to either of those feats against much inferior competition.

Well, DeAndre Jordan suuuuucked at Texas A&M. He was so raw he couldn't even get on the floor.

And he also suuuuucked as a rookie... If you want to compare him to DeAndre Jordan, fine. But let's cool it with the Dwight Howard/Amare Stoudamire stuff until he actually backs it up for more than a handful of games.

God Squad · Post #459 » by **God Squad** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:26 pm

I Agree. But it's not far fetched to see the comparison.

So Clutch · Post #460 » by **So Clutch** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:49 pm

BlackFalcon wrote:
Alfred wrote:Well, DeAndre Jordan suuuuucked at Texas A&M. He was so raw he couldn't even get on the floor.

And he also suuuuucked as a rookie... If you want to compare him to DeAndre Jordan, fine. But let's cool it with the Dwight Howard/Amare Stoudamire stuff until he actually backs it up for more than a handful of games.

DeAndre Jordan was raw in college and initialliy in the NBA. He still is, but with his size athleticism, defense, and a short list of excellent NBA bigmen, he is an offensive game away from being entering conversations about an all-star nomination.

Drummond has the same physical tools, but a much better feel for the game offensively, albeit the same terrible free throw touch.

So yes, a comparison with DJ is valid in the sense we're hoping DeAndre will be his floor.

Who do you want the Raptors to draft in the 2012 NBA Draft?