Official: Deron Williams Re-Signs: $98 million/5 years

Ronito · Post #21 » by **Ronito** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:36 am

I'm pessimistic with the Dwight sweepstakes anyway. If Deron wants out, he should tell BK so we can trade him for something.

vincecarter4pres · Post #22 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:45 am

Ronito wrote:I'm pessimistic with the Dwight sweepstakes anyway. If Deron wants out, he should tell BK so we can trade him for something.

There's a difference between being a pessimist and thinking you're a mind reader and that Deron is flat out lying when everything he's said has been straightforward and the opposite of what you're saying and it hasn't had a facetious feel or tone.

On a side note, everyone says if we trade him for whatever reason it will be for Westbrook, maybe it would be for Rondo?

I see almost zero chance he gets traded though.

Like I was saying since last season until Otis came out and said he would think about trading Dwight, I thought he would make it to free agency just like Lebron, Bosh and Amar'e did.

I'm really leaning that way again.

Basically the only way Deron is even possibly traded is if Dwight is dealt to the Lakers.

Ronito · Post #23 » by **Ronito** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:17 am

Ya...whatever. I hate the NBA.

vincecarter4pres · Post #24 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:49 am

I hear you, it's been a frustrating start to the season.

magickingdom · Post #25 » by **magickingdom** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:43 pm

How do you know that they did not talk about Deron coming to Orlando? Where we have 80 degree Christmas days, no state taxes, and also have a big new areana. Not to mention a team that will make it into the playoffs? I'm just saying? Does anyone tell the truth anymore and do situations not change? Time will tell?

Post #26 » by **Rich Rane** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:21 pm

magickingdom wrote:How do you know that they did not talk about Deron coming to Orlando? Where we have 80 degree Christmas days, no state taxes, and also have a big new areana. Not to mention a team that will make it into the playoffs? I'm just saying? Does anyone tell the truth anymore and do situations not change? Time will tell?

Again, how are the Magic supposed to sign Deron? Even with Arenas amenstied, the Magic are still very much over the cap. The Nets are not going to be willing to take on any of those contracts in a trade and Jameer Nelson is not going to opt out of his option to help make room for a guy who's going to take his starting job.

SpeedyG · Post #27 » by **SpeedyG** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:36 pm

Rich Rane wrote:
magickingdom wrote:How do you know that they did not talk about Deron coming to Orlando? Where we have 80 degree Christmas days, no state taxes, and also have a big new areana. Not to mention a team that will make it into the playoffs? I'm just saying? Does anyone tell the truth anymore and do situations not change? Time will tell?

Again, how are the Magic supposed to sign Deron? Even with Arenas amenstied, the Magic are still very much over the cap. The Nets are not going to be willing to take on any of those contracts in a trade and Jameer Nelson is not going to opt out of his option to help make room for a guy who's going to take his starting job.

Because they live in Magic land, where Salary cap and fair trades (to other teams) do not exist. Didn't you know?

stephGRAHAMbury · Post #28 » by **stephGRAHAMbury** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:40 pm

Thanks to Otis Smith's shortsightedness the Magic firmly took themselves out of the race for Deron when they inked Jason Richardson and Big Baby to those long term deals.

magickingdom · Post #29 » by **magickingdom** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:51 pm

My point was not about us getting Deron. My point was we all do not have the slightest clue and that things can change. In the end Dwight might stiill be in Orlando and Deron in Dallas, maybe both there in Dallas?
On a side note, I believe that making trades all the time get you no where. Never enough time to let you team gell. If Dwight ends up there, we will get your other young talent, picks and give you a bad contract or 2. So even then for you it will take a while to get a team that will compete into the later rounds. It is just not that easy for any team.

N Ireland Nets · Post #30 » by **N Ireland Nets** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:51 pm

magickingdom wrote:My point was not about us getting Deron. My point was we all do not have the slightest clue and that things can change. In the end Dwight might stiill be in Orlando and Deron in Dallas, maybe both there in Dallas?
On a side note, I believe that making trades all the time get you no where. Never enough time to let you team gell. If Dwight ends up there, we will get your other young talent, picks and give you a bad contract or 2. So even then for you it will take a while to get a team that will compete into the later rounds. It is just not that easy for any team.

Both cant go to Dallas

SpeedyG · Post #31 » by **SpeedyG** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:56 pm

magickingdom wrote:My point was not about us getting Deron. My point was we all do not have the slightest clue and that things can change. In the end Dwight might stiill be in Orlando and Deron in Dallas, maybe both there in Dallas?
On a side note, I believe that making trades all the time get you no where. Never enough time to let you team gell. If Dwight ends up there, we will get your other young talent, picks and give you a bad contract or 2. So even then for you it will take a while to get a team that will compete into the later rounds. It is just not that easy for any team.

Sure. Just look at how tough it was for that Heat team that gutted its entire team in order to sign LBJ, Wade, and Bosh.

Oh wait they went to the Finals last year.

bimmer100 · Post #32 » by **bimmer100** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:18 pm

DWill is getting a pass by you fans. Theres no reason why he should be playing this poorly. Lets go to the lakers for example, Kobe was playing with Smush, Luke, Cook, Odom, Mihms, etc. and we already know what he was doing. Deron Williams is mentally weak. Or is it not fair to compare Prime Kobe to Deron Williams...

SpeedyG · Post #33 » by **SpeedyG** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:20 pm

We just don't want to crucifize the one thing we have going for our team. Unlike Magic fans who gets on Dwight for wearing the wrong color of hat.

bimmer100 · Post #34 » by **bimmer100** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:31 pm

I get that but its not like Dwill is reading realgm. A lot of these post defending william's play is quite sad. The simple fact is that he isn't play well, why is the question. The supporting cast is a poor excuse...

SpeedyG · Post #35 » by **SpeedyG** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:37 pm

bimmer100 wrote:I get that but its not like Dwill is reading realgm. A lot of these post defending william's play is quite sad. The simple fact is that he isn't play well, why is the question. The supporting cast is a poor excuse...

They've also been trying to play him off the ball.

OMG the real secret is out!!! We're signing Dwight AND Chris Paul!

bimmer100 · Post #36 » by **bimmer100** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:47 pm

Just a thought, its quite obvious I want Howard with the lakers and you want him with the Nets. But this has crossed my mind, what if Boston offered a package centered around Rajon Rondo (especially with how great Rondo has been playing) for a so called rental for Howard. The celtics have the capspace for 2 max contracts along with Paul pierce since K.G and Ray come off the books after this season. Whats stopping boston from taking the gamble in convincing Dwight to resign and in the process signing D-Will as well. Plus not to mention both would be intrigued with the fact that Ray and Garnet would more than likely sign for vet min in order to form a big 5...

vincecarter4pres · Post #37 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:48 pm

bimmer100 wrote:I get that but its not like Dwill is reading realgm. A lot of these post defending william's play is quite sad. The simple fact is that he isn't play well, why is the question. The supporting cast is a poor excuse...

Honestly, I haven't seen many posts at all defending D Will's play, most have been ripping him, or at least respectively getting on him.

Your posts are like the standard issue troll fair from the General Board.

You don't really attack or anything that much, but you come in and make wide sweeping general statements, group minority posts into majority posts to benefit some made up argument and point you want to make and are just filled with exaggerations, straight lies and everything out of context to support some type of weird agenda that no one can even really comprehend.

Doesn't even bother me much, it's just the reason you rarely find me replying to you specifically even though you've made about 40 or 50 posts or so on this board the last week or 2.

It seems most everyone else on here is doing the same, the occasional response just cause they're getting irritated and take the bait.

vincecarter4pres · Post #38 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:52 pm

bimmer100 wrote:Just a thought, its quite obvious I want Howard with the lakers and you want him with the Nets. But this has crossed my mind, what if Boston offered a package centered around Rajon Rondo (especially with how great Rondo has been playing) for a so called rental for Howard. The celtics have the capspace for 2 max contracts along with Paul pierce since K.G and Ray come off the books after this season. Whats stopping boston from taking the gamble in convincing Dwight to resign and in the process signing D-Will as well. Plus not to mention both would be intrigued with the fact that Ray and Garnet would more than likely sign for vet min in order to form a big 5...

And then you do this, occasionally make a legitimate post.

Sure, there's a chance that could happen.

Unlikely, but you never know.

The one thing I will say that's a non-starter, old or not, Ray and Garnett are certainly not signing for vet minimum or really anything even in the realm of vet minimum.

Also, not sure what Pierces contract looks like, is it cheap enough to still offer 2 maxes?

vincecarter4pres · Post #39 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:58 pm

magickingdom wrote:My point was not about us getting Deron. My point was we all do not have the slightest clue and that things can change.

Actually, that was exactly your point.
Specifically exactly...

In the end Dwight might stiill be in Orlando and Deron in Dallas, maybe both there in Dallas?

Sure, you never know.
Both in Dallas is quite unlikely, it would take a lot of moving pieces with big salary to clear that cap and Dirk would have to agree to restructure his contract, if that's even allowed.
I know players can restructure deals now, but not sure if it applies to contracts signed under the old CBA.

On a side note, I believe that making trades all the time get you no where. Never enough time to let you team gell. If Dwight ends up there, we will get your other young talent, picks and give you a bad contract or 2. So even then for you it will take a while to get a team that will compete into the later rounds. It is just not that easy for any team.

Yup, real hard to gel, takes forever.

I mean look how long Boston took to come together.

And Miami.

Oh and the Lakers.

And the Pistons when they dealt for Sheed.

That Nets team that traded for Kidd that took 4 seasons to have some success.

Almost half a decade for those teams to get used to each other and make deep runs.

Ronito · Post #40 » by **Ronito** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:03 pm

Bimmer, I loathe you. Go away. You've been here way too long and add nothing.