At what point do we start looking to trade Evans ?

AnDrOiDKing4 · Post #1 » by **AnDrOiDKing4** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:41 am

I have been a big Evans fan and still hope he can be the guy to lead our team but I just don't see him making a change that I would like to see from a franchise type player. I know the lock out hurt but when do you guys seriously think its good to maximize his value to get a actual floor general on the court. Do we wait it out rest of the year? Do you try to see how he works with a different coach?

I know this may seem reactionary after playing vs two really good defensive teams but I just haven't seen the improvement we were promised two seasons ago.

PaKwAn · Post #2 » by **PaKwAn** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:49 am

I would honestly listen to offers for reke or even start shopping him when he still has some sort of value... Not a fan of his game style at all... I wish we would have drafted rubio!

element_88 · Post #3 » by **element_88** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:49 am

I was thinking since Russell Westbrook is having problems in OKC, why not trade Evans for him? I doubt OKC does that though.

PaKwAn · Post #4 » by **PaKwAn** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:51 am

A problematic westbrook still has way more value than evans....

AnDrOiDKing4 · Post #5 » by **AnDrOiDKing4** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:01 am

Rondo would be a good target, wonder what it would take.

RIPskaterdude · Post #6 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:25 am

OGSactownballer · Post #7 » by **OGSactownballer** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:42 am

The ideal to me would be to wait it out and go for Deron Williams as a S & T.

I am liking the Rondo option more and more because he actually IS a PG and makes the guys around him better but it doesn't solve the non-shooter problem at the position.

Post #8 » by **Wolfay** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:53 am

AnDrOiDKing4 wrote:I have been a big Evans fan and still hope he can be the guy to lead our team but I just don't seem him making a change that I would like to see from a franchise type player. I know the lock out hurt but when do you guys seriously think its good to maximize his value to get a actual floor general on the court. Do we wait it out rest of the year? Do you try to see how he works with a different coach?

I know this may seem reactionary after playing vs two really good defensive teams but I just haven't seen the improvement we were promised two seasons ago.

It seems that way because it is. I'm concerned about Tyreke's play too, but c'mon. Only two seasons, and one of which he was playing hurt. He's been forced to do pretty much everything himself up until now. It's going to take more just a few games to unlearn that.

dozencousins · Post #9 » by **dozencousins** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:55 am

Between his past feet problems . Not to mention his 100 mpr road driving sprees worry about weather or not he will seriously injur or kill himself or others . As well as if we just talk about basketball play that he lacks an all around game . He mainly just drives to the basket & he cannot seem to hit free throws if his life depended on it and even worse as he is a guard & guards free throw percentages should be far higher than other positional players I would be all for trading him .That said it has to be for a really good deal . At this point I would even take my chances of packaging Tyreke , Salmons or Garcia with J. Thompson for D12 knowing very well he may not resign . If not Trade Tyreke for a couple of future 1st rounders elsewhere . The reason I would take that chance of Tyreke in a deal with J.T etc. is simply because of the following .

1. I do not see Tyreke showing real growth overall in his game he has worked on his outside shooting stroke a bit but thats it . Overall he is more of a me 1st player & has no problem going to the hole at times when he shouldn't or better yet have his body in the air as if he will shot see no shot then make a bad pass causing turnovers this happened a ton last season.
2. I do not see the Kings giving J.T. a qualifying offer as I see him being traded anyways the same situation as we traded S.Hawes .
3. In reguards to Garcia I cannot possibly see how he will get any minutes with us having 5 guys who easily can play the small forward position . Garcia will not be a King by seasons end BOOK It !

Tyreke can be agreat player but he has not improved his game that much and I have to wonder as good as he is & great as he could be is he more of a liability than a true assett ?
I say dont give him away get another stud player in a deal even if not a D12 . Or at least get a couple of unprotected future 1st round picks 1 of hopefully in next years draft .

down_el_road · Post #10 » by **down_el_road** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:20 am

Nice to see are draft picks take shape! I wish we drafted Rubio in the first place...In the few games he's played in, he has looked more like a PG than Tyreke has in 2 1/2 years.

SacKingZZZ · Post #11 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:55 am

When it's clear Cousins is a better talent to build around and there is no possible way for it to work. Evans is still super young and has had all of about 3 games to learn a new system. :lol:

If he can't or refuses to then you may have to look at something, but moving a potential studly physically dominating powerhouse PG/SG who just last night played the "great" Derrick Rose to a stand still in there matchup while the team as a whole played horrifically? Nah, not yet. If he accepts his role as a defender and learns how to play off of Cousins/Hayes and off the ball in general you're talking serious, serious contending team when that happens. Possibly even if it doesn't but no, not yet.

SacKingZZZ · Post #12 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:58 am

PaKwAn wrote:A problematic westbrook still has way more value than evans....

You're basically trading Evans for a certain set of problems and then picking up somebody who has the same negatives for which you would be shipping Evans off for in the first place.

PaKwAn · Post #13 » by **PaKwAn** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:42 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
PaKwAn wrote:A problematic westbrook still has way more value than evans....

You're basically trading Evans for a certain set of problems and then picking up somebody who has the same negatives for which you would be shipping Evans off for in the first place.

Value wise westbrook has more value than reke around the league.

Fit wise, despite westbrook chucking up some ill advised shots.. He actually moves the ball around and will pass the ball.. Plus i like this kids heart and toughness...

Reke's style of play makes me cringe most of the time... I would actually be happy if he would just concentrate on defense and score points on cuts to the baskets...

And okc would not even touch or entertain a swap for the two... And despite the trouble that westbrook has, he is actually the key to okc's success if he matures alot.

SacKingZZZ · Post #14 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:54 am

Well, those are supposedly the aspects he's working, so I say he should get more than 3 games. At least half the season to adjust for him and this team sounds right.

Teams that are winning rarely have a reason or want to move a main cog in their rotation.

longfellow44 · Post #15 » by **longfellow44** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:36 pm

You trade Evans after we are sure it is him that is the problem and not just the coaching surrounding him. After you change coaches and he is still playing selfishly and isn't being put to his best use on the court, then you trade him.

deNIEd · Post #16 » by **deNIEd** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:50 pm

longfellow44 wrote:You trade Evans after we are sure it is him that is the problem and not just the coaching surrounding him. After you change coaches and he is still playing selfishly and isn't being put to his best use on the court, then you trade him.

Or you trade Tyreke while he still has value because you have another stud who is currently better than Tyreke in Thornton

Website · Post #17 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:04 pm

I recently talked to someone who knows someone on the coaching staff and let's just say they're having a hard time getting through to Tyreke. I just don't understand why it seems like his leash is twice as long as Cousins'.

It's only three games, yes, but what concerns me is his mentality. I've been quietly (sometimes not) worried about Tyreke's play style since last season. Let's face it, he has a very low BBIQ, he's selfish, and he still can't really shoot. He's still elite at getting to the rim and plays very good defense with the potential to be an elite defender. But I agree with denied, Thornton seems to be the better fit for this team.

I never, ever thought I'd say this, but I'd be interested in trading him+ for Rondo. Rondo makes so much more sense on this team. He'd setup Thornton, Cousins, and Jimmer beautifully. But I have questions about his ego/attitude.

It sucks because he looked like our savior in his rookie year, I own his jersey, and I know how emotionally attached Kings fans (myself included) get to their players, but when I take a step back and look at the situation objectively--Tyreke's play style, as is, is not conducive to winning.

There, I said it.

AnDrOiDKing4 · Post #18 » by **AnDrOiDKing4** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:22 pm

Nicky Nix Nook wrote:I recently talked to someone who knows someone on the coaching staff and let's just say they're having a hard time getting through to Tyreke. I just don't understand why it seems like his leash is twice as long as Cousins'.

It's only three games, yes, but what concerns me is his mentality. I've been quietly (sometimes not) worried about Tyreke's play style since last season. Let's face it, he has a very low BBIQ, he's selfish, and he still can't really shoot. He's still elite at getting to the rim and plays very good defense with the potential to be an elite defender. But I agree with denied, Thornton seems to be the better fit for this team.

I never, ever thought I'd say this, but I'd be interested in trading him+ for Rondo. Rondo makes so much more sense on this team. He'd setup Thornton, Cousins, and Jimmer beautifully. But I have questions about his ego/attitude.

It sucks because he looked like our savior in his rookie year, I own his jersey, and I know how emotionally attached Kings fans (myself included) get to their players, but when I take a step back and look at the situation objectively--Tyreke's play style, as is, is not conducive to winning.

There, I said it.

Hey I feel you man. Tyreke brought us hope his rookie year unlike I have seen since the Webber days. Made people at least talk about Sacramento for a bit and gave us some hope for the future. I bought two of his jerseys and still pray that he can just fix his game and be a long term King. On the other hand I watch the games too, I use to dismiss his play as a young player learning and us having bad surrounding pieces. Can't use that excuse anymore. We have good young players and solid vets. I have seen our coaching improve and helping our players get better. Unfortunately if the players arnt on board than its going to be a big problem. Now I am not saying that guys arnt falling in (remember that bad shot Hickson took and got benched, he hasn't made the same mistake then.) I feel like guys like Thorton and Cousins are trying to do the same but they see Evans who refuses to listen and it just sets up team to fail. Its just tough thinking about it but we need to get to the playoffs, we still have the arena in doubt, we need some good vibes for the city and the team. I defended his play numerous time but Its harder to do so. But I am still hoping and wishing that it just clicks in his head.

ADoaN17 · Post #19 » by **ADoaN17** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:29 pm

never

Post #20 » by **KF10** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:34 pm

I give Tyreke this season to straighten things out. His first year was essentially a godsend from the horrible 17-win season we had a year before. His second season was blah. I think it's fair to give Tyreke some time before putting him on the stake.

It's only 3 games into the season..