Oklahoma City Thunder vs. Dallas Mavericks 12/29/2011

[slick_watts]

Basically you just said KG is an nba veteran and ibaka isn't, we know that the whole thunder team is young you can't expect them to understand the game like 13 year veterans.

Im talking about from defensive and offensive principle s not intangible s

Garnett has been a tremendous passer and had the ball skills of a guard since he was Ibaka's age. Boston in '08 had a workable offense despite Rondo's deficiencies because they had three HOF veterans who were good enough to fill the holes that existed at their C and PG positions. Without the experience and offensive skills of Pierce/Allen/Garnett circa '08, I do not understand how you could expect Rondo (with Perkins) to lead a similarly productive, winning offense.

[ahonui06]

For those who missed it

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Glad to see Jason Terry being his typical self and not playing defense.

[Loudconcepts]

Thunder need to trade for scoring on their bench and start harden , okay we agree on one thing.

I still dont think RW and KD game complements each other tho. Yesterday on NBA tv they said Durant takes 4 less shots a game playing with Russell, Thunder need a PG getting Durant 5 more shots not 4 less . Also the thunder can't afford to keep Westbrook , Harden , and Ibaka since Westbrook is gonna want a max contract. So keep westbrook and let KD BFF Harden + ibaka walk. Or keep harden, ibaka , and rondo

[Loudconcepts]

Basically you just said KG is an nba veteran and ibaka isn't, we know that the whole thunder team is young you can't expect them to understand the game like 13 year veterans.

Im talking about from defensive and offensive principle s not intangible s

Garnett has been a tremendous passer and had the ball skills of a guard since he was Ibaka's age. Boston in '08 had a workable offense despite Rondo's deficiencies because they had three HOF veterans who were good enough to fill the holes that existed at their C and PG positions. Without the experience and offensive skills of Pierce/Allen/Garnett circa '08, I do not understand how you could expect Rondo (with Perkins) to lead a similarly productive, winning offense.

I kno KG history I'm just trying to say with practice ibaka can become a poor man KG and third scoring option.

Rondo is wat keeps the celtics competitive even with the celtics deteriorating skill sets. He is an all star pg who only weakness is scoring (kd biggest strength) Westbrook only weaknesses PLAYMAKING

[Jimmy76]

Didn't catch the game but not the boxscore I was hoping for from Westbrook

Why is he struggling? This team can take home a ring this year if he gets it together. Hopefully just rust I guess.

Durant just put himself at the top of the MVP discussion.

[Clangus]

Loudconcepts be trolling. No way someone mistake the valid, well thought out arguements from people who have watched nearly every game since the Thunder have been around and alot of us since before that. Don't pay him no mind. Rondo is a great player, but a truly terrible fit for the Thunder.

Go and troll the GB Loudconcepts, they'll buy your haterade.

[Devilanche]

With Harden on the floor it's much better than sef on the floor. We need to start this kid

I honestly like Harden coming off the bench if, let me channel Russell Westbrook, Sefolosha SHOOTS THE DAMN BALL!!!

Sefolosha has been shooting very well this year, SHOOT IT MORE WHEN YOU'RE OPEN!!

I actually liked knowing him saying that out loud.
1) It proves he's not looking at his own shot alone always.
2) He definitely knows that Thabo isn't the best shooter around but if you're open you got to take it even if you end up missing, no way Thabo will improve if he just do it in practise, since Brooks still insist on playing thabo quite a fair bit of minutes, if thabo is open and has the ball, he has to shoot.
3) Rather he shout than do what everyone is saying he does, since no one else is willing to shoot, i'm going to shoot our team out of the game.

[Devilanche]

So you want a team with arguably the BEST PURE SCORER in the league to have a point guard who instead of feeding the beast the ball and getting teammates involved in the offense defers play off the ball and take shots away from Durant. You watched the games DURANT is the shooter in crunch time situations. Theres only one game winning shot , why have two players on the court who wants to take it.
Its not a coaching issue, its a PG issue, Westbrook doesn't fit this team PG needs

Cause we'll be winning game easier when Durant will take more than half the shots and in crunch time he's our sole option to take the shot. He'll find a way even if he's being doubled team.Afterall, like everyone been saying, no team has won a ring with a shoot first PG, but there's probably a taem out there who did it with their best pure scorer scoring 60pts a game.

Is Westbrook the 100% best fit? Probably not, and so is rondo with his shooting.

[3gbrrrfkyt]

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[Loudconcepts]

Loudconcepts be trolling. No way someone mistake the valid, well thought out arguements from people who have watched nearly every game since the Thunder have been around and alot of us since before that. Don't pay him no mind. Rondo is a great player, but a truly terrible fit for the Thunder.

Go and troll the GB Loudconcepts, they'll buy your haterade.

Westbrook and Rondo both all stars so which one am I hating on. Im just saying the thunder would nr better with a real pg not a combo gaurd who only gets like 5 assist a game. Their offense wouldn't be pass to durant and get out the way or westbrook pull up mid range jumper. And what is troll I don't understand your geek lingo

[Loudconcepts]

All im saying is Rondo is a better PG to play next to KD and Ibaka . He won't have to shoot because he wood be playing next to TWO three point . Harden would be forced to start cause Thabo and Rondo are both defenders. So the thunder would have to pull a trade to being I'm a scorer off the bench. Ibaka and Rondo can run pick and rolls, thunder offense wouldn't be so predictable and with Rondo passing and play making ability the Thunder would be unstoppable on fat breaks and half court offense would run smooth and not like the 06-09 denver nuggets


I got league pass I watch all the thunder games. Brooks is tryna make Westbrook into a player hes not and his abilities would be better used if he was on a team that spaced the court letting him drive to the basket at will playing like Rose does in chicago, since Rose is the only player in the nba with Westbrook skill set

[Loudconcepts]

Cause we'll be winning game easier when Durant will take more than half the shots and in crunch time he's our sole option to take the shot. He'll find a way even if he's being doubled team.Afterall, like everyone been saying, no team has won a ring with a shoot first PG, but there's probably a taem out there who did it with their best pure scorer scoring 60pts a game.

Is Westbrook the 100% best fit? Probably not, and so is rondo with his shooting.

Rondo won't have to shoot playing next to Harden and DURANT. He will just make plays and get the thunder easy baskets.

[Devilanche]

We understand what you're saying. It's all you been saying a long time. We have a different opinion, no need to force us to change, it's not like any of us here make decisions for the thunder.


Thunder offence would be better if the player start moving and not just wait there for the ball. In other words, if we have better offensive coaching.

[Devilanche]

Rondo won't have to shoot playing next to Harden and DURANT. He will just make plays and get the thunder easy baskets.

He does has to shoot. Even if it's Westbrook/Thabo or Rondo/Harden, who's the 3rd guy who'll be able to consistently put up points?

Has Harden proven beyond a doubt that he can average 18pts per game? Now when he plays it's either against other bench or with 2 scoring threat in Westbrook/Durant, how certain are you that he can score more if he's the 2nd option of offence?

[Loudconcepts]

We understand what you're saying. It's all you been saying a long time. We have a different opinion, no need to force us to change, it's not like any of us here make decisions for the thunder.


Thunder offence would be better if the player start moving and not just wait there for the ball. In other words, if we have better offensive coaching.

I was watching the game yesterday and Kenny Smith said the thunder need a pg to control tge pace of their offense, a good pg is a coach on court . It doesn't matter if he gets 15 and 10 , a good pg gets the offense involved and flowing smoothly

THUNDER NEED RONDO

[Loudconcepts]

Did Ibaka prove without a doubt he could start PF before Green was traded......NO
But how you gonna find out unless you make the trade. I watch the thunder, I watch Harden hes ready...you know that, I know that, even espn knows that
I already did the numbers with Durant/Harden getting more shots the thunder offense will likely do numbers around 115 ppg. And with Rondo the defense still gonna be top notch and the offense well run smooth, kinda like when maynor (a real pg) is in the game cept better because Rondo is one of the best point guards

[Krodis]

Maynor's main value is as a spot up jump shooter, not running the offense.

I really don't think you know what you're talking about.

[Loudconcepts]

You dont know what your talking about now your tryna tell me Maynor a spot up shooter (daniel gibson type) not a pure pg


Just because somebody is used that way doesn't mean thats all their good at...I watched maynor since vcu

[tigerman]

I know it's late but I find it epic to see Durant and Vince trading clutch shots. We all know who's the favorite all-time player of KD and that fact makes it even more epic imo.