Game 4: Utah Jazz (1-2) @ San Antonio Spurs (2-1)

[SLC Biz]

There's no use arguing about it, I disagree completely. He has his faults, but so does every player. For the most part, his production is worth it (for a playoff team). On our team he just keeps the young guys from playing (as does Millsap). I'd like to see he and Paul moved to better situations for them and us.

What do you see in him that I'm missing? He shoots a below average FG% for a center. He doesn't draw fouls. He doesn't pass. He requires 5+ seconds to score everytime he touches the ball. He halts ball movement. He is a HORRIBLE defender.

What am I missing here?

[phrizzo]

To the Jazz fans in here that like Big Al's game, I really hope that some GMs share your perspective so we can rip off some poor team the same way Minny ripped us off.

i can't believe we traded superstar kosta koufos for him

[Litany]

There's no use arguing about it, I disagree completely. He has his faults, but so does every player. For the most part, his production is worth it (for a playoff team). On our team he just keeps the young guys from playing (as does Millsap). I'd like to see he and Paul moved to better situations for them and us.

What do you see in him that I'm missing? He shoots a below average FG% for a center. He doesn't draw fouls. He doesn't pass. He requires 5+ seconds to score everytime he touches the ball. He halts ball movement. He is a HORRIBLE defender.

What am I missing here?

BabyJax:

There is arguing about it though, lol. You make it sound like it cant be argued that he is a black hole. Almost everyone disagrees with you, so there is very much an argument to be made.

I agree with SLC Biz as does 90% of the basketball world.

Stay on that island if you like. In the words of Barkley, you may be right but I doubt it.

[babyjax13]

How many centers score as much as Al? I think if you excluded Dwight Howard and looked at the efficiency of guys like Brook Lopez, Lamarcus Aldridge (who is a much better player), etc. Al would be pretty average. He needs players that can spread the floor, though, to be effective. If he was playing on our teams that had Korver, Deron, etc. etc. he'd look like a very good addition to the team.

[babyjax13]

There's no use arguing about it, I disagree completely. He has his faults, but so does every player. For the most part, his production is worth it (for a playoff team). On our team he just keeps the young guys from playing (as does Millsap). I'd like to see he and Paul moved to better situations for them and us.

What do you see in him that I'm missing? He shoots a below average FG% for a center. He doesn't draw fouls. He doesn't pass. He requires 5+ seconds to score everytime he touches the ball. He halts ball movement. He is a HORRIBLE defender.

What am I missing here?

BabyJax:

There is arguing about it though, lol. You make it sound like it cant be argued that he is a black hole. Almost everyone disagrees with you, so there is very much an argument to be made.

Well, I disagree, I think that's the way I should make it sound

In all seriousness, though, I think it's time to just blow it up if we don't drastically improve in the next 15 games.

[eLo]

im tierd with all that sh*t, When Al is on the floor and he is only guy playing some think is his fault that we loos, when he is not on floor we still play tragically, its also his fault give yourself fu*king break, cuz such cheap tallk real problems are missing

ps. Tw'lws since they give us Al are simply contender caliber team now we can change subject and start new talk" why Kevin Love is such a black hole"

[The59Sound]

when he is not on floor we still play tragically, its also his fault

Actually, I don't think there's a single poster on the entire board who's said that.

[Jazzfan12]

How many centers score as much as Al? I think if you excluded Dwight Howard and looked at the efficiency of guys like Brook Lopez, Lamarcus Aldridge (who is a much better player), etc. Al would be pretty average. He needs players that can spread the floor, though, to be effective. If he was playing on our teams that had Korver, Deron, etc. etc. he'd look like a very good addition to the team.

LaMarcus Aldridge is constantly looking to create good looks for his teammates when he gets the ball in the post and was far more efficient last year despite having bad shooters and no other shot creators around him.

[StocktonShorts]

Can someone else do the player of the game poll? I'm on mobile only....

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Can someone else do the player of the game poll? I'm on mobile only....

Its ok, we don't need one for the 3x champ "No one".

[babyjax13]

How many centers score as much as Al? I think if you excluded Dwight Howard and looked at the efficiency of guys like Brook Lopez, Lamarcus Aldridge (who is a much better player), etc. Al would be pretty average. He needs players that can spread the floor, though, to be effective. If he was playing on our teams that had Korver, Deron, etc. etc. he'd look like a very good addition to the team.

LaMarcus Aldridge is constantly looking to create good looks for his teammates when he gets the ball in the post and was far more efficient last year despite having bad shooters and no other shot creators around him.

That's why I said he's a better player, but his true shooting percentage was 52% and he got to the line just under 2 times per game (4 freethrows). Jefferson's TS% was also 52% and he got to the line just under 2 times as well. The difference between the two is assist percentage, Aldridge's was 4% better. Also, I don't see how a team with Nic Batum, Rudy Fernandez (last year, of course) and Wes Matthews has bad shooters or no other shot creators (see Andre Miller as well, he is a brilliant point guard), but maybe I just don't watch Portland play enough to really know.

[Jazzfan12]

LaMarcus Aldridge had a TS% of 55% last year.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Dwight Howard goes to the free-throw line more in one game than Al Jefferson will in one week...

Just saying.

[StocktonShorts]

Haven't watched the game yet, but Al Jefferson had 19 FG attempts and one FT attempt. Also had zero assists (maybe because everyone shot poorly?).

That is an unacceptable ratio of FGA/FTA.

[Ugly0598]

Hate to post a BTS tweet, but https://twitter.com/#!/tribjazz/status/ ... 7677283328

Are you serious Ty? You're a joke if you stick with the current line-up.

The line-up needs to be this:

PG - Harris
SG - Hayward
SF - Howard
PF - Millsap
C - Favors

[red4hf]

Haven't watched the game yet, but Al Jefferson had 19 FG attempts and one FT attempt. Also had zero assists (maybe because everyone shot poorly?).

That is an unacceptable ratio of FGA/FTA.

Well, too be honest, he got fouled a number of times, the refs just refused to call the fouls...... But he's also never been a player who looks for contact in the paint, that's always been an issue with him......

[eLo]

i'v just watch 1 half and till now Big Al is definitely best Jazz player, iv make a note of his every single action and like i said till now he is playing very good, Jazz outside shooting is terrible same as defending arc, manu 19 ptk with 5/5 for 3

[FJS]

only 11 assist yesterday.... I don't remember any jazz game with that low of total assists.

[schneiderjazz]

I swear Raja has embarassing pictures of the entire Jazz coaching staff. What's the obsession with starting him? He's there to defend and hit open shots. Hasn't been doing any of the two and he's still starting.

[laytonjazzfan]

With our offense running through Jefferson our assist numbers will be low. Although Jefferson did have a much better game last night but the rest of the team didn't follow suit. I feel our offense runs more smoothly when Gordon is at the 2 and handles the ball more. I think Corbin will have to eventually start Howard at the 3 with Hayward moving to the 2.