Official Trade Thread XVII: 6/29/11 - 1/20 /12

Post #901 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 12:56 am

As bad as Blatche sometimes is, he at least gives us an offensive option that can hit a midrange shot unlike Cousins whose shooting is pretty punk. Deal for Cousins would probably be Blatche and Vesely (have to give up some potential for Cousins's greater potential) in return for Cousins and Garcia (to give us a shooter from the 3 to go with Singleton).

I've never been sold on Vesely admittedly but his early draft status, physical skills, and good attitude could be the bait for Sacramento to take Blatche. That's IF the Wiz think Cousins is a (HUGE) risk worth taking considering the makeup of the locker room here.

Benjammin · Post #902 » by **Benjammin** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 1:25 am

^^^

Considering that Blatche is addition by subtraction, it comes down to Vesely. I don't have high hopes for him so even with Cousins's issues, I would give it a shot. The biggest problem is how do you play McGee and Cousins together effectively? If that can't be done, unless someone is going to give up a lot for McGee acquiring Cousins doesn't make a lot of sense. Plus Cousins's attitude doesn't really assist in changing the culture of the team in a positive way.

TGW · Post #903 » by **TGW** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 1:41 am

Trading Blatche for Cousins doesn't improve this team, because Cousins plays as foolishly as Blatche does. Terrible shots, poor defense, turnovers, and a bad attitude will still be problems...the only improvement will be on the boards.

I'd rather trade Blatche for an expiring at this point.

Post #904 » by **miller31time** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 1:45 am

Count me out for the Cousins sweepstakes. I can only handle so many players with incredible potential and questionable work ethic and a bad attitude.

A man can only take so much.

Benjammin · Post #905 » by **Benjammin** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 1:47 am

miller31time wrote:Count me out for the Cousins sweepstakes. I can only handle so many players with incredible potential and questionable work ethic and a bad attitude.

A man can only take so much.

Come on Miller, in for a quarter, in for a dollar.

Seriously, I don't think he is a good fit, even with Wall unless somehow he and McGee could play well together.

sfam · Post #906 » by **sfam** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 1:52 am

TGW wrote:Trading Blatche for Cousins doesn't improve this team, because Cousins plays as foolishly as Blatche does. Terrible shots, poor defense, turnovers, and a bad attitude will still be problems...the only improvement will be on the boards.

I'd rather trade Blatche for an expiring at this point.

I'd trade Blatche for Cousins in a heartbeat. One knucklehead for another, but at least the one still has a chance of growing up.

As for trading Cousins for Vesely, not at all. Vesely by all accounts is NOT a knucklehead, and may be a terrific running mate for Wall in fast break situations - something we sorely are lacking.

EDIT: But no way they do the Blatche trade. Not sure what we'd have to give up, but I'm not really up for trading McGee, Vesely or a first round pick.

Post #907 » by **miller31time** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 1:55 am

Benjammin wrote:
miller31time wrote:Count me out for the Cousins sweepstakes. I can only handle so many players with incredible potential and questionable work ethic and a bad attitude.

A man can only take so much.

Come on Miller, in for a quarter, in for a dollar.

Seriously, I don't think he is a good fit, even with Wall unless somehow he and McGee could play well together.

I actually like McGee. I think he's not the brightest bulb and he's really frustrating sometimes but damnit, he's at least a decent human being.

We have enough to worry about in D.C. Our team sucks, Blatche is killing us all game-by-game...the last thing I need right now is a player I actually dislike to be added to the roster.

7-Day Dray · Post #908 » by **7-Day Dray** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 2:09 am

I'd try to offer Blatche+Crawford+2013 pick for Cousins. Not sure how attractive that deal is.

Post #909 » by **miller31time** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 2:15 am

7-Day Dray wrote:I'd try to offer Blatche+Crawford+2013 pick for Cousins. Not sure how attractive that deal is.

But that brings in more problems. Now we have 2 centers, both young and inexperienced, both needing playing time and neither able to play along-side the other AND a hole at power forward (Booker isn't ready to start and might never get to that level anyway). Then throw in the character issues....character issues that even surpass Blatche's...and you have a team that's no better.

Hoopalotta · Post #910 » by **Hoopalotta** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 2:24 am

miller31time wrote:
7-Day Dray wrote:I'd try to offer Blatche+Crawford+2013 pick for Cousins. Not sure how attractive that deal is.

But that brings in more problems. Now we have 2 centers, both young and inexperienced, both needing playing time and neither able to play along-side the other .....

with one in a contract year and the other having arguably the worst personality in the league......

Benjammin · Post #911 » by **Benjammin** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 2:28 am

Hoopalotta wrote:
miller31time wrote:
7-Day Dray wrote:I'd try to offer Blatche+Crawford+2013 pick for Cousins. Not sure how attractive that deal is.

But that brings in more problems. Now we have 2 centers, both young and inexperienced, both needing playing time and neither able to play along-side the other .....

with one in a contract year and the other having arguably the worst personality in the league......

Details, mere details I tell you. Seriously though, it's not a good fit here for a number of reasons. I hope that DMC can mature and reach his potential with his next team.

verbal8 · Post #912 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 2:29 am

7-Day Dray wrote:I'd try to offer Blatche+Crawford+2013 pick for Cousins. Not sure how attractive that deal is.

I would do Blatche for Cousins straight up in a second. Cousins is a risk, but a talent. I don't think the Wizards are in a position to give up future picks for a risk.

I wouldn't give up Vesley mainly because I think he might work very well at PF with Cousins at C. I think Crawford, Nick Young or Booker would be an acceptable sweetener. Singleton or Seraphin might be hard to part with, but I would be inclined to include one of them.

dandridge 10 · Post #913 » by **dandridge 10** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 2:36 am

I want Blatche off this team more than anyone, but I still wouldn't deal him for Cousins. This team needs to build with mature, mentally tough professionals, not players like Cousins. I'd rather just deal Blatche for an expiring, smart vet, or low round pick, than deal him for another player that is certainly going to be another distraction on this team.

sfam · Post #914 » by **sfam** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 2:40 am

7-Day Dray wrote:I'd try to offer Blatche+Crawford+2013 pick for Cousins. Not sure how attractive that deal is.

I'm not parting with any draft picks unless they're lottery protected. Blatche, Crawford, Seraphin - fine, those are all good things to consider giving up.

But honestly, if they trade him, it will be for a veteran team giving up a relatively high pick in next year's draft. I don't think we have a chance at Cousins.

sfam · Post #915 » by **sfam** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 2:54 am

Incidentally, reading the Sacremento board thread on this is pretty depressing. Its clear this has totally demoralized their fans. On top of looking at Cousins, their best talent, as a failure, they're afraid this will force the team to move. Talk about a horrible outcome!

But yeah, Cousins for a song while getting rid of Blatche would be great. But in looking at the comments on their board, they would be thinking McGee at least. One even suggested parlaying Cousins into a Howard trade. Ya, that's pretty crazy, but clearly many of the posters there still think Cousins should have value - strangely, nobody there suggested a straight up for Blatche...

EDIT: If we did get Cousins for a song, the next trade would be to move McGee for a potential lottery pick, or a mid-level pick and a decent player. I agree we wouldn't want them both on the roster, unless folks here see McGee as a potential PF.

dangermouse · Post #916 » by **dangermouse** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 3:00 am

We should try... We know John and DeMarcus work well together. They like playing together...

There may be some teams that offer a mid-to-late first...

Right now, I'd do Blatche + 2013 1st (lotto protected in 2013, top 3 2014, unprotected 2015). Maybe even throw in Crawford for Garcia, or Seraphin if they preferred.

If that doesnt get it done then oh well. But we should at least try.

Trading for Cousins right now is akin to trading for Artest post-Palace brawl, except Artest was already an established player in his prime. It is risky, but I think for the Wizards the risk is somewhat minimized. I dont expect him to arrive here and be a model citizen, but with John in his ear I think we can have him playing good ball and it just might make the Wizards a better team sooner.

Post #917 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 3:02 am

TGW wrote:Trading Blatche for Cousins doesn't improve this team, because Cousins plays as foolishly as Blatche does. Terrible shots, poor defense, turnovers, and a bad attitude will still be problems...the only improvement will be on the boards.

I'd rather trade Blatche for an expiring at this point.

I can definitely appreciate folks wanting no part of Cousins, but... at what point are people going to realize there's zero chance of getting an expiring contract for Blatche, and that his contract is not good. That might actually be the biggest falacy that's been perpetuated on this board ever since he signed it. Rico - even though he's EG's supporter - was basically the only one who understood that. He's got an AWFUL contract - and it lasts 3 more years after this season.

Personally, I'd love to see a Blatche for Cousins trade and think this is a perfect opportunity to pounce, but I can appreciate other's views because Cousins is a nut and has been anything but efficient, but please don't bring up anything that assumes we can dump Blatche's contract for an expiring. We can't, because he's a liability - and at this point - he has virtually no upside.

dangermouse · Post #918 » by **dangermouse** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 3:05 am

Ok, I probably would do McGee for Cousins straight up, but only because McGee is in a contract year.

And ONLY if we had a Blatche deal on the table elsewhere. Maybe include Blatche in the original deal?

Blatche and prot. pick or Blatche and McGee, but not McGee alone unless we have plans to move Blatche as well. There!

The Fax · Post #919 » by **The Fax** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 3:06 am

I don't see why not. We trade knuckleheads (Blatche + something for Cousins) and hope that Wall and Cousins re-kindle their college chemistry. Question is, do the Kings want our garbage for theirs?

sfam · Post #920 » by **sfam** » Mon Jan 2, 2012 3:18 am

The Fax wrote:I don't see why not. We trade knuckleheads (Blatche + something for Cousins) and hope that Wall and Cousins re-kindle their college chemistry. Question is, do the Kings want our garbage for theirs?

They're throwing away overcooked steak. We're trying to get rid of rancid hamburgers. I don't think they're comparable.