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Post#61 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Jan 2, 2012 4:46 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:Oh, Westphal, Westphal, Westphal. If you're going to open your mouth about the Cousins situation during the post game presser,don't be a wuss, expound. I swear, two stubborn dudes in Cousins and Westphal, that's the main problem, Westphal just can't stand to be shown up.


What did he say?



Somebody asked about Cousins and Westphal responded that it's "up to him if he comes back" or something like that. And then he said something about "Cousins asked to be traded, we don't want guys that don't want to be here", or something like that and then he was asked about what Cousins said in relation to the trade thing and if he gave reasons, and Westphal said, "yes" but refused to answer what it was with a smart *** smirk on this face.

All in all, I read people very well and I think my first inclination as to what's going on, and what happened is right. Cousins made a remark in the heat of the moment, didn't mean it at all, it was probably clear he wasn't really demanding a trade nor did he even say it remotely in any way associated to that, and Westphal is going to now rub it in his face and make him feel the heat. Good? Bad? I don't know, depends on how far they lat this go. I'm not too worried.
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Post#62 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Jan 2, 2012 4:49 am

Wolfay wrote:I feel conflicted over this win. I like winning, but I don't like the circumstances we got it from.



Could go either way. I really thought the timing of this blowup was a little odd. Westphal seemed to be turning the corner and cut down on some of the mistakes he's been making consistently with rotations and such. I think he has the right idea about how to play, I think his implementation speaks for itself. This team has oodles of talent so when pissed, they can beat just about anyone but it's a long ways off and w/o Cousins, I wouldn't be too psyched about this teams future.

I think they have good pieces, the right idea on how to play, but they need time.
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Post#63 » by RIPskaterdude » Mon Jan 2, 2012 4:58 am

Interesting that Garcia got minutes over Greene tonight, too. Such a strange rotation...
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Post#64 » by pillwenney » Mon Jan 2, 2012 5:07 am

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xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:Oh, Westphal, Westphal, Westphal. If you're going to open your mouth about the Cousins situation during the post game presser,don't be a wuss, expound. I swear, two stubborn dudes in Cousins and Westphal, that's the main problem, Westphal just can't stand to be shown up.


What did he say?



Somebody asked about Cousins and Westphal responded that it's "up to him if he comes back" or something like that. And then he said something about "Cousins asked to be traded, we don't want guys that don't want to be here", or something like that and then he was asked about what Cousins said in relation to the trade thing and if he gave reasons, and Westphal said, "yes" but refused to answer what it was with a smart *** smirk on this face.

All in all, I read people very well and I think my first inclination as to what's going on, and what happened is right. Cousins made a remark in the heat of the moment, didn't mean it at all, it was probably clear he wasn't really demanding a trade nor did he even say it remotely in any way associated to that, and Westphal is going to now rub it in his face and make him feel the heat. Good? Bad? I don't know, depends on how far they lat this go. I'm not too worried.


Jones reporting Kings have kept other problems under wraps as well. Also let's remember this is the 2nd time he has done this. Doesn't come off as an isolated incident at all.

Anyway, I'm happy with the win. The only people that think the team is better off without Demarcus are dumb casual fans that don't know the game. Our rebounding sucked, we still played with no set offense, and it's not a path toward sustainable success.

I won't even go say that we wouldn't be better without Demarcus right now. Between the improved locker room and the simplified play, I wouldn't be surprised if it resulted in more wins this year. But long term, we're going nowhere without him staying and progressing with this team.

I guess I'll keep my other thoughts on that in the thread for that. As for this game, good to see Cisco proving he should be getting minutes. Also good to see Tyreke get some of his mojo back. But NO sucked tonight. Doesn't mean we shouldn't see it as a positive over all. But...meh.
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Post#65 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Jan 2, 2012 5:12 am

Yeah, then I guess we can't forget that the same thing happened with Hawes, Payton in Seattle, and an internal revolt from his college team either?

I like Paul Westphal and he seems like a really good guy but just yesterday you had pretty much the whole team screaming for some direction. Personally, I thought he was doing much better however I can't speak on the direction part because I'm not there. I think the timing sucks more than anything because in time, even at this rate I think 20 games in you'll know what's going on. I can't understand all the pressure on this YOUNG team so early on in the year with almost no practice, a new system, and so many new faces.
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Post#66 » by pillwenney » Mon Jan 2, 2012 5:20 am

Really? The same thing? The same exact thing? Are we really going to compare Westphal's history with players to Cousins' history with EVERYBODY?

I'd say the pressure comes in from the general impatience. The fans are here, and we've been waiting a long time now. I think we're all tired of waiting. This is Tyreke's 3rd year and we have plenty of vets. Is the general feeling impatience? Yes. But what happened against the Knicks wasn't just bad? It was horrendous and a bad indicator of other things. There was so little focus and effort. It looked like a team falling apart.
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Post#67 » by Ballings7 » Mon Jan 2, 2012 5:29 am

A small guard like Kyle Lowry would be just what this team needs
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Post#68 » by RIPskaterdude » Mon Jan 2, 2012 5:32 am

We could have Steve Nash in here and still look like a terrible team. It's the system. We had a good 2nd half tonight, and only picked up 16 total assists due to passing on the fast break.
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Post#69 » by pillwenney » Mon Jan 2, 2012 5:38 am

Well Steve Nash would make a difference because in Phoenix, he IS the system.

But your general point is right.
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Post#70 » by cheolee » Mon Jan 2, 2012 5:56 am

Ballings7 wrote:A small guard like Kyle Lowry would be just what this team needs


Lowry is one of the most valuable players in the NBA because of his production vs salary.

He makes 6mil / yr for another 3 years...
Currently leading the league in assists and is top 5 in efficiency right now.
Although he will not be able to maintain this sort of pace, the Rockets would not trade
Lowry for Evans straight up.
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Post#71 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Jan 2, 2012 5:58 am

pillwenney wrote:Really? The same thing? The same exact thing? Are we really going to compare Westphal's history with players to Cousins' history with EVERYBODY?

I'd say the pressure comes in from the general impatience. The fans are here, and we've been waiting a long time now. I think we're all tired of waiting. This is Tyreke's 3rd year and we have plenty of vets. Is the general feeling impatience? Yes. But what happened against the Knicks wasn't just bad? It was horrendous and a bad indicator of other things. There was so little focus and effort. It looked like a team falling apart.



Everybody? Couldn't you link the same thing to Westphal and say his issues with EVERY problem player?

I understand the impatience, I've been here the whole time you know! :wink: However, the problem I've seen lately is the consistent linking of different teams together. Like somehow what is happening now is somehow directly tied to the "Kenny Thomas" era or something. The last 3 years the Kings have been doing it RIGHT, and it's really only been 3 years for this current situation, not 7. This team fell apart last year too. If not for the Maloofs falling in love so quick and picking up that extra year on Westphals contract he would have been gone by the deadline last year. The end result was it was a good thing he stayed, he stopped being an idiot with this rotations, played his best players to their strong points, and the team started to become competitive. Maybe that happens now and hopefully it does.
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Post#72 » by pillwenney » Mon Jan 2, 2012 8:10 am

Don't think he had the problem with Barkley. And I'm not aware of the problems with Payton, but I'm assuming you have something there.

Let's not forget though that, kinda similar to Cousins, Hawes was kinda of a spoiled brat that expected everything to work out for him all the time. Remember how annoyed we were at him skipping Summer League? The franchise wasn't thrilled either. Maybe in that case, it's the players to some degree.

I'm not saying Westphal is great in this way. He's certainly no Adelman. But at the same time, you kinda have to look at the players, I think. Just because other coaches are great at handling problem players, doesn't mean that Westphal should be blamed for not being as good. The problem is still....the "problem" players. Hence the title.

I don't even fully disagree with the second part. But look at other recent teams--Portland in Roy's 3rd year, OKC in their 3rd year. You can't "have potential" forever. And even then, it's one thing to lose. But again, the performance against the Knicks wasn't merely a loss. It was a disaster.
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Post#73 » by SacTownKings4Life » Mon Jan 2, 2012 10:07 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:Oh, Westphal, Westphal, Westphal. If you're going to open your mouth about the Cousins situation during the post game presser,don't be a wuss, expound. I swear, two stubborn dudes in Cousins and Westphal, that's the main problem, Westphal just can't stand to be shown up.


What did he say?



Somebody asked about Cousins and Westphal responded that it's "up to him if he comes back" or something like that. And then he said something about "Cousins asked to be traded, we don't want guys that don't want to be here", or something like that and then he was asked about what Cousins said in relation to the trade thing and if he gave reasons, and Westphal said, "yes" but refused to answer what it was with a smart *** smirk on this face.

All in all, I read people very well and I think my first inclination as to what's going on, and what happened is right. Cousins made a remark in the heat of the moment, didn't mean it at all, it was probably clear he wasn't really demanding a trade nor did he even say it remotely in any way associated to that, and Westphal is going to now rub it in his face and make him feel the heat. Good? Bad? I don't know, depends on how far they lat this go. I'm not too worried.


Precisely. He's exploiting Cousins' reputation to get his own point across and make an example out of him. And it worked, hook line and sinker. Everybody on the outside looking in believes Westphal and is quick to suggest that Cousins should be traded because his attitude is apparently "toxic" to this team. Cousins may have a few temper issues, but I believe he is getting a very bad rap right now. He's an emotional human being. Does that make him a bad person? The fact that Westphal brought up the comments to the media but failed to elaborate on the "reason" which he acknowledged existed proves that he is a two-faced coward. If I was a reporter I would have pressured him more for some answers. Why bring it up if you're not gonna talk about it when asked?
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Post#74 » by SacTownKings4Life » Mon Jan 2, 2012 10:22 am

Also, with all that has gone on in this past week for us, at the end of the day we still have a better record than the defending NBA champions. So it could always be worse. Things happen. It's only 5 games. Out of the Lakers, Blazers, Bulls, Knicks, and Hornets, how many games did we realistically think we would even win (on paper) if we had seen this schedule a month ago? I think 2 is pretty generous.
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Post#75 » by Cruel_Ruin » Mon Jan 2, 2012 8:47 pm

At the end of the day you need to fire Westphalia without giving DMC a spoiled child complex. Wait a bit for this thing to blow over, get DMC back in the locker room, make amends with Westphal, but afterwards fire Westphal anyways. We seriously can't afford Westphal's ego right now, especially since we have a capable head coach in Smart waiting in the wings
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Post#76 » by SacTown Kings » Mon Jan 2, 2012 11:18 pm

Cruel_Ruin wrote:At the end of the day you need to fire Westphalia without giving DMC a spoiled child complex. Wait a bit for this thing to blow over, get DMC back in the locker room, make amends with Westphal, but afterwards fire Westphal anyways. We seriously can't afford Westphal's ego right now, especially since we have a capable head coach in Smart waiting in the wings



I agree Westphal needs to go but we can't do it now or it will just make it look like we are giving in to DMC acting like a baby.

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