DeMarcus Cousins

[SacKingsPejaFan]

Kings fan here. If you guys think Morrow, Farmar, picks would get it done, you haven't kept up with the Kings, which is something you should do if you want to legitimately predict a trade. The Kings have Evans, Thornton, and Fredette and the 1-2, as well as a rookie named Isaiah Thomas who has played really well. Morrow/Farmar would probably get minutes over Thomas, but not Evans, Thornton, and Fredette, so why would we trade Cousins for guys at the 1-2 position? Makes no sense. It's Lopez (gtfo with Petro) or a third team giving us something valuable, or no deal.

Most Kings fans are convinced Cousins isn't going anywhere, but to me, it's not clear. Cousins has been a problem-child from day 1 and I'm sure management is considering all options right now. Petrie and the Maloofs could just be doing damage control with their statements about not being willing to trade Cousins, so they can get his value back up after Westphal's press release, which may have slipped through the cracks.

Concerns with Cousins' FG% are overblown. He has a mid-range jumper, he has a post up game, he can also drive (he's an amazing passer too). Westphal just has no offensive system, and everybody on the team just stands around when it looks like someone is going one-on-one. Run some legitimate plays for him, and get his teammates to actually not hide behind defenders when the man is double-triple-teamed, and his FG% goes up.

Also, his rebounding numbers speak for themselves. 10.6 per game on limited minutes (26). Last year, Lopez pulled 6 per game down on 35 minutes per game, which nobody could seriously be happy with.

As a Kings fan I don't want to trade Cousins. I think he could be the top center in the league in a few years. He's the brightest spot that the Kings have, by far. I'd rather dump the coach for someone with a track record of dealing with personalities like Cousins, which would also help with the rest of the team, which is the youngest in the NBA. But if management is fed up, you better believe we're getting a serviceable big in return, not guards.

[deepblueday]

^Good post, thanks for the info re Cousins.

Kings fan here. If you guys think Morrow, Farmar, picks would get it done, you haven't kept up with the Kings, which is something you should do if you want to legitimately predict a trade.

I agree that the Kings wouldn't accept that package at this point (nor should they), but there's also no way in hell I'd offer the Net's first this year with the way injuries have decimated our already under-talented roster. There's a legitimate chance it turns into the #1 overall pick.

[jerseyjac]

Kings fan here. If you guys think Morrow, Farmar, picks would get it done, you haven't kept up with the Kings, which is something you should do if you want to legitimately predict a trade. The Kings have Evans, Thornton, and Fredette and the 1-2, as well as a rookie named Isaiah Thomas who has played really well. Morrow/Farmar would probably get minutes over Thomas, but not Evans, Thornton, and Fredette, so why would we trade Cousins for guys at the 1-2 position? Makes no sense. It's Lopez (gtfo with Petro) or a third team giving us something valuable, or no deal.

Most Kings fans are convinced Cousins isn't going anywhere, but to me, it's not clear. Cousins has been a problem-child from day 1 and I'm sure management is considering all options right now. Petrie and the Maloofs could just be doing damage control with their statements about not being willing to trade Cousins, so they can get his value back up after Westphal's press release, which may have slipped through the cracks.

Concerns with Cousins' FG% are overblown. He has a mid-range jumper, he has a post up game, he can also drive (he's an amazing passer too). Westphal just has no offensive system, and everybody on the team just stands around when it looks like someone is going one-on-one. Run some legitimate plays for him, and get his teammates to actually not hide behind defenders when the man is double-triple-teamed, and his FG% goes up.

Also, his rebounding numbers speak for themselves. 10.6 per game on limited minutes (26). Last year, Lopez pulled 6 per game down on 35 minutes per game, which nobody could seriously be happy with.

As a Kings fan I don't want to trade Cousins. I think he could be the top center in the league in a few years. He's the brightest spot that the Kings have, by far. I'd rather dump the coach for someone with a track record of dealing with personalities like Cousins, which would also help with the rest of the team, which is the youngest in the NBA. But if management is fed up, you better believe we're getting a serviceable big in return, not guards.

more than valid...

I know some wont, but I do believe Cousins can be a potential allstar...but thats on pure raw talent and it obviously takes a lot more than talent to become an allstar...(so dont get carried away with stats)

I can honestly say its nice knowing we were right about Cousins and not drafting him...his mouth might be bigger than his game...and right now, with all the headaches we have, I am very happy Cousins is not one of them...

now maybe with that said, we should drop the idea of trading for him all together, but I'd still be interested in stealing him...

[Triumph36]

Personally, I think he'd at least offer this year's first, Farmar, and Morrow (and possibly another 1st). DMC has talent but the question is whether he'll ever figure out how to use it and keep quiet.

As an objective third party, offering this years 1st would be insane unless it is immediately following a Howard-to-NJ trade. This draft is really top heavy and, like I said, barring a Howard trade.....the Nets are going to be right up near the top. Fortunately for NJ, none of the best prospects in this draft have even close to the same amount of red flags as Cousins.

IMO, if Howard is headed towards free agency, the Nets should offer Lopez for Cousins but no more than that. With some luck (HOU making playoffs) and aggressive spending (using Prok's willingness to spend to buy an extra 1st) , the Nets could grab Howard, a top flight SF like Barnes or Gilchrist, a bench big (with the Rox pick) and a shooting SG like Doron Lamb (with the purchased pick) all in one off-season.

Sounds crazy but if Howard is headed towards free agency, not all that unrealistic. The Magic deciding to keep Howard through the rest of the year is the first and obv most important domino, though.

[DarkXaero]

No way in hell that I would trade Brook Lopez for Cousins.

[jerseyjac]

no to Brook, and 1st rounders...I mean if this year falls off the table for the Nets, as Triumph stated, giving away this yr's pick would be shooting ourselves in the foot...

[vincecarter4pres]

Kings fan here. If you guys think Morrow, Farmar, picks would get it done, you haven't kept up with the Kings, which is something you should do if you want to legitimately predict a trade.

Well if you're talking our pick, you haven't kept up with the Nets, cause there's no way in hell I would do that, we're probable to have a top 8 worst record and healthy chance at a top 3 jump. No way am I giving up a top 3 pick in this incredible draft for DMC if it's up to me, that's the stuff that lose GM's there job.

Plus we need to hold that pick until Dwight is off the table or here.

That's kind of the problem our pick or Lopez is more or less something of an overpay, the rest of our assets aren't really good enough though.

The Kings have Evans, Thornton, and Fredette and the 1-2, as well as a rookie named Isaiah Thomas who has played really well. Morrow/Farmar would probably get minutes over Thomas, but not Evans, Thornton, and Fredette, so why would we trade Cousins for guys at the 1-2 position?

This is all fair and makes sense, although Morrow or Farmar are more salary filler, they would probably be shipped to a third team.

Makes no sense. It's Lopez (gtfo with Petro) or a third team giving us something valuable, or no deal.

I've come to my senses and that is, Lopez is a solid bit of an overpay.

Most Kings fans are convinced Cousins isn't going anywhere, but to me, it's not clear. Cousins has been a problem-child from day 1 and I'm sure management is considering all options right now. Petrie and the Maloofs could just be doing damage control with their statements about not being willing to trade Cousins, so they can get his value back up after Westphal's press release, which may have slipped through the cracks.

They can attempt all the damage control they want, but the damage is done.
It's a little overstated, but you're not in a position of power or leverage anymore and will never be again, it's really that simple if you step back and take the emotion of being a Kings fan out of it and think with calm rationale and logic.

Concerns with Cousins' FG% are overblown

There's nothing overblown.

He is epically inefficient. Had a HISTORICALLY inefficient rookie year and what makes it worse is he's a bull of an almost 7 footer with absurd measures.

That is fact, not opinion.

Atrociously inefficient right now, just out and out wretched.

He has a mid-range jumper, he has a post up game, he can also drive (he's an amazing passer too).

I wouldn't call him an amazing passer at all.
He's a good passer, definitely above average, but he has no comprehension of what's a good play to attempt and what isn't, his turnover rate on actual bad passes is sickening.

Westphal just has no offensive system, and everybody on the team just stands around when it looks like someone is going one-on-one. Run some legitimate plays for him, and get his teammates to actually not hide behind defenders when the man is double-triple-teamed, and his FG% goes up.

I'm not going to go all out defending Westphal, he's not what he's cracked up to be, just a very mediocre coach at this point, but let's not start the cliche-ish blame the coach thing.

Everything happening with Cousins right now was a spelled out concern going into the draft.

None of this stuff happening right now, both on and off court should be surprising in the least.

The allure with Cousins is what he could be, not what he is, cause currently and what he showed during his rookie season, he is rhinoceros ****.

Also, his rebounding numbers speak for themselves. 10.6 per game on limited minutes (26). Last year, Lopez pulled 6 per game down on 35 minutes per game, which nobody could seriously be happy with.

He's a great rebounder, Lopez is a mediocre one.

But when he hurts you in basically every other area, how can he get the minutes needed to put up rebounding numbers?

Also, I believe last year was an outlier for Lopez as a rebounder, not the rule.

As a Kings fan I don't want to trade Cousins. I think he could be the top center in the league in a few years. He's the brightest spot that the Kings have, by far. I'd rather dump the coach for someone with a track record of dealing with personalities like Cousins, which would also help with the rest of the team, which is the youngest in the NBA. But if management is fed up, you better believe we're getting a serviceable big in return, not guards.

Firing PW right now is a bad idea.

Cousins needs to be held accountable for his actions.

And yes, I believe Cousins could return a serviceable big, but not a top young big.

The only way Cousins could bring back a top player is if a team was willing to take him, your pick and other pieces in a blockbuster rebuild trade.

A team like NJ is not giving up it's pick or Lopez for him.

The crap offers on the trade board aren't getting him, that value is ridiculously too little for DeMarcus, but you're never getting a blue chip prospect or pick back for him at this point, too many issues off the court, too much horrific inefficiency on it, too many concerns with his defense and every last negative concern about him coming into the draft has come true thus far.

[JoseRizal]

No way in hell that I would trade Brook Lopez for Cousins.

+1

[NyCeEvO]

No way in hell that I would trade Brook Lopez for Cousins.

+1

+1000000000000

[bobbyc]

Brooks, HOU, and James. That's the most I would offer. Lopez ain't going.

Morrow or Shanwe Williams, James, and our pick I would be happy with also. With Cousins, our pick will turn into a late lottery team. But, the longer we suck the less inclined I will be to make this trade.

But, those offers are probably not enough to get him.

[SpeedyG]

I wouldn't even trade Brooks for him, and they probably don't want him anyway with their logjam at that spot.

[Preludepunk27]

You don't give up a solid character rookie with upside for a nutjob with upside. For example, Zach Randolph was traded for chicken scraps compared to his true value to Memphis now.

While you can't totally low ball them because Cousins does produce when he's not getting benched, you don't offer him dollar for dollar. Brooks is showing already (with no help last night against Boston) that he can be a solid #2 scorer in this league at worst. I truly believe he holds more value than Cousins.

The problem is, we can't give up any 1st rounders if we still plan on going after Dwight in my opinion.

It's have to be moving Morrow or Farmar plus multiple 2nd rounders. I think that's a crap offer, but it's really the best we can throw at them right now as of today. To me, Brooks, Lopez, Dwill and all first round picks are off limits until someone trades for Dwight. That fact doesn't make us a good trade partner with Sacto unless we can bring in a 3rd team or if they want one of our other guys not named.

[DarkXaero]

I guess Cousins is off the market now, Westphal has been fired.

[Ronito]

Well, there goes this trade idea.

[NyCeEvO]

I guess Cousins is off the market now, Westphal has been fired.

LOL!

[stephGRAHAMbury]

I give it 20 games before Cousin throws his new coach under the bus.

[vincecarter4pres]

I give it 20 games before Cousin throws his new coach under the bus.

Literally... amirite?

[SteveNets15]

I give it 20 games before Cousin throws his new coach under the bus.

Literally... amirite?

It ridiculous, this kid will never learn if he keeps getting his way.Its like raising a kid,if you let him do what ever he wants he's going to be a spoiled little brat.This kid needs a good spanking lol pull the belt out