What's Josh Smith Actually Worth?

Nolimit1211 · Post #1 » by **Nolimit1211** » Fri Jan 6, 2012 3:07 pm

After hearing Sir Charles going off about the Hawks last night, one guy in-particular he was disappointed with was Josh Smith, so that got me thinking.. The value on this guy seems to be all over the place....

Cons

- He's the definition of lackadaisical.
- Still taking ill-advised jumpshots.
- Complains about fouls often.
- Not the high flyer he once was.

Pros

- Only 26 Years Old
- Can be a lock down defender when motivated.
- Provides mis-matches on both ends of the floor.

That being said, what is his actual worth? Is there a single player he can be traded for that could make the Hawks better?

mcfly1204 · Post #2 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Jan 6, 2012 3:11 pm

I have mentioned this before, but I think a deal centered around Josh Smith for Okafor or Kaman makes a lot of sense for both sides. Horford slides to PF, and NO gets another young piece to pair with Gordon. NO would have to sweaten the deal, possibly their 2012 or 2013 1st.

Nolimit1211 · Post #3 » by **Nolimit1211** » Fri Jan 6, 2012 3:20 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:I have mentioned this before, but I think a deal centered around Josh Smith for Okafor or Kaman makes a lot of sense for both sides. Horford slides to PF, and NO gets another young piece to pair with Gordon. NO would have to sweaten the deal, possibly their 2012 or 2013 1st.

Kaman makes more sense than Okafor because Okafor himself should be a PF (like Horford) and Kaman is a legit center.

But does that make Hawks better? Who's their defender now? Joe Johnson? err...

Jordan45822 · Post #4 » by **Jordan45822** » Fri Jan 6, 2012 3:23 pm

they need to trade for a center so Horford can move to his natural position.

83SixersRocked · Post #5 » by **83SixersRocked** » Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:01 pm

IMO one of the few players who at 26 still has untapped potential. But since he is 26, I don't think he'll realize it unless he gets some All-Star level coaching. It's more mental than physical for him, and he'd be worth a lot to a coach that can get through to him.

mcfly1204 · Post #6 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:04 pm

I think Smith would thrive playing in an uptempo offense with a PG that wants to push it. If he could effectively play SF, I would be interested in a deal centered around Varejao for Smith. With that being said, Smith the SF feels like a pipe dream.

World Peace · Post #7 » by **World Peace** » Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:16 pm

How about Smith to Phoenix for Gortat? It gives Atlanta a legit starting caliber center and Phoenix finally replaces Amare.

Teague
Johnson
Williams
Horford
Gortat

Nolimit1211 · Post #8 » by **Nolimit1211** » Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:22 pm

World Peace wrote:How about Smith to Phoenix for Gortat? It gives Atlanta a legit starting caliber center and Phoenix finally replaces Amare.

Teague
Johnson
Williams
Horford
Gortat

IMO Gortat hasn't done enough without Steve Nash to justify being fair value....

Marino · Post #9 » by **Marino** » Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:25 pm

Josh Smith is just a taller Corey Maggette, I wouldn't want him on my team.

ManualRam · Post #10 » by **ManualRam** » Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:26 pm

People need to stop overrating dumb players. I dont understand why a team would make a dumb player an integral part of the team. He shouldve been traded a long time ago.

BossHoggin · Post #11 » by **BossHoggin** » Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:29 pm

ManualRam wrote:People need to stop overrating dumb players. I dont understand why a team would make a dumb player an integral part of the team. He shouldve been traded a long time ago.

+1

He will never be a SF either.

Post #12 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 5:54 am

Is this the hate on Josh Thread??? Almost every comment I've read here has been someone bashing on Josh seriously he's a great young player who's a game changer on both ends when he wants to be; he's still only 26 years old and no matter wat some of these posters say he's still a good trade chip for legit players, not for Kamen or okafor and definatley not for varejao. Personally the players I'd want to package Josh for are Roy Hibbert, Andrew Bogut, and Demarcus Cousins.

Post #13 » by **HMFFL** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 6:35 am

*Topic has been moved here*

World Peace wrote:How about Smith to Phoenix for Gortat? It gives Atlanta a legit starting caliber center and Phoenix finally replaces Amare.

Teague
Johnson
Williams
Horford
Gortat

Markieff Morris is possibly someone Phoenix can develop. He has had some good games this season so far and his future is very promising. I think Phoenix would pass on Josh Smith right now if it involved Gortat. I'd like to have Gortat, but Atlanta would still lack size at the 5, he possibly won't help us improve, and I would expect a decline in his numbers under Coach Drew.

MaceCase · Post #14 » by **MaceCase** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 7:42 am

Whatever his value is it'll only be improved come the end of the season when he will be a large expiring.

Ruhiel · Post #15 » by **Ruhiel** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 2:31 pm

MaceCase wrote:Whatever his value is it'll only be improved come the end of the season when he will be a large expiring.

Yeah, People want to give up talent to "rent" Josh Smith, who already said his window is closing. Pretty sure he is going ring-chasing.

And he's been shopped. Problem is he's a PnR and fastbreak type power SF. Realistically You need spacing at the 4 or 5 to win with him at the 3.

So this will be a season to watch for Smith and Horford, because Johnson (obscene contract) and Williams (classic underachiever) will either be tough to move or won't fetch value in return.

The Hawks have always weighed the merits of keeping, or moving, Smith and Horford. Both are tweeners. Horford is undersized at center but doesn't have a face-the-basket game for power forward. Smith has crazy athleticism and skills for someone 6-foot-10 but too often falls in love with 20-foot jumpers. Both are in their primes, so holding onto them much longer would hurt their trade value.

From a money standpoint, the Hawks must decide sooner on Smith. His deal is up after next season, which means the Hawks must either decide to extend him or trade him in the offseason. If Horford and a throw-in could fetch a legitimate center, the Hawks might go that route and then extend Smith. Or they'll package Smith and maybe Williams as a salary dump and get what they can.

How many teams have a Dirk or Ryan Andersen (or Jon Leuer) to afford Smith at SF?
Whatever comes back won't be contender pieces. Smith is a tweener and thats why he's been kept so long.

ATL fans can piss and scream all they want but they have a couple tweeners here...Smith is being surrounded with redundant (undersized power players) not complementary players.

I see Smith as a SF version of Dwight Howard. AT SF you dont have to rebound all the time so you can fastbreak. Surround him with shooting. Putting him at SF with a shooter at the 4, eliminates most his problems. Undersized post defender, undersized help defender (most elite teams find ways to score over him or run motion offense pulling him away from basket) shooting,
And the biggest one imo trailing the break instead of running the wing.

Not a lot of Cs available who can shoot so for an undersized PF in the NBA you look for oversized SFs. Here are some big "hybrid-PFs" I've seen that "complement" hybrid-players like Josh Smith (as opposed to Marvin Williams):

Kevin Love
Dirk Nowitzki
Ryan Anderson
Jon Leuer.

The last is a guy I think could take the Marvin Williams spot but people whine about "redemption" and "confidence" Marvin Williams on an all star ballots yadayada.

Also a maybe on the 6'10 Gallinari although he's gone to defend SFs and had back issues at PF and heck no on Bargnani. too slow.

MaceCase · Post #16 » by **MaceCase** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 3:55 pm

Oh my, someone doesn't know the worth or purpose of expiring contracts in trades. Go figure.

Ruhiel · Post #17 » by **Ruhiel** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 4:10 pm

Skyhawk1 · Post #18 » by **Skyhawk1** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 11:40 pm

Just trade him away.. I don't care who we get back.