Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Pt X, Mods close)

[BadMofoPimp]

I like the Bosh and Lebron trade

Fixed:

[MagicFan41]

Posted this in the Warriors rental thread but figured it could use a little discussion here too:

Came up with a very interesting trade scenario, hard to tell if it exactly works with ESPN TradeMachine down at the moment and TradeChecker not allowing you to run it with a guy who has just been signed....but right before the deadline, Chandler is tradeable...I estimated his salary this year to be a little less than $14.0mil (since his deal is reportedly 4 yrs $58mil):

To Magic:
Amare, David Lee, Monta

To Warriors:
Ryan, Redick, Tyson

To Knicks:
Dwight, Hedo

Knicks:

Douglas Fields Melo Hedo Dwight

GSW:

Curry JJ Wright Ryan Chandler

Magic:

Jameer Monta JRich Amare Lee


Which team wouldn't do it, and why? I actually think it makes ALL THREE TEAMS better to be honest.

Warriors obviously wanted Chandler this offseason, they went hard at him. Plus they get a cheaper version of Lee in Ryno, and a Monta SG replacement in JJ. Improves their defense (Marc Jackson would love a Chandler) and their shooting.

NYK sounds very very willing to gamble on Dwight, and Chandler isn't working in Dantoni's system. Amare + Melo on same team is tough because both are ball-dominating players. Hedo plays well with Dwight as we have seen. Having a top 3 scorer in league in Melo as well as best defender/top 2 rebounder in Dwight is a lethal combo. They are also surrounded with solid pieces/role players.

Magic get back 3 all-star quality players for Dwight+Hedo in Monta, Amare, Lee. All who would probably play well off one another. Yes, we are giving up some of our young talent, but we are getting back a load of talent ourselves. That core would also be locked up for a few years. Another option would be to keep Hedo and throw in Jameer+Q instead to make it work financially (which would give NYK some more defense in Q, D12s friend in Jameer, and improve their backcourt or give them another scoring punch off the bench).

I like our team there to be honest. I actually prefer throwing in Jameer+Q and keeping Hedo for a lineup of:

Monta JRich Hedo Amare Lee

We wouldn't be very deep, but neither is Miami, nor is Boston, nor is Chicago, nor are the Lakers.

Please no "I just want picks" responses, the front office supposedly has said they want to remain competitive by getting back veteran talent.

[Darth Magic]

Posted this in the Warriors rental thread but figured it could use a little discussion here too:

Came up with a very interesting trade scenario, hard to tell if it exactly works with ESPN TradeMachine down at the moment and TradeChecker not allowing you to run it with a guy who has just been signed....but right before the deadline, Chandler is tradeable...I estimated his salary this year to be a little less than $14.0mil (since his deal is reportedly 4 yrs $58mil):

To Magic:
Amare, David Lee, Monta

To Warriors:
Ryan, Redick, Tyson

To Knicks:
Dwight, Hedo

Knicks:

Douglas Fields Melo Hedo Dwight

GSW:

Curry JJ Wright Ryan Chandler

Magic:

Jameer Monta JRich Amare Lee


Which team wouldn't do it, and why? I actually think it makes ALL THREE TEAMS better to be honest.

Warriors obviously wanted Chandler this offseason, they went hard at him. Plus they get a cheaper version of Lee in Ryno, and a Monta SG replacement in JJ. Improves their defense (Marc Jackson would love a Chandler) and their shooting.

NYK sounds very very willing to gamble on Dwight, and Chandler isn't working in Dantoni's system. Amare + Melo on same team is tough because both are ball-dominating players. Hedo plays well with Dwight as we have seen. Having a top 3 scorer in league in Melo as well as best defender/top 2 rebounder in Dwight is a lethal combo. They are also surrounded with solid pieces/role players.

Magic get back 3 all-star quality players for Dwight+Hedo in Monta, Amare, Lee. All who would probably play well off one another. Yes, we are giving up some of our young talent, but we are getting back a load of talent ourselves. That core would also be locked up for a few years. Another option would be to keep Hedo and throw in Jameer+Q instead to make it work financially (which would give NYK some more defense in Q, D12s friend in Jameer, and improve their backcourt or give them another scoring punch off the bench).

I like our team there to be honest. I actually prefer throwing in Jameer+Q and keeping Hedo for a lineup of:

Monta JRich Hedo Amare Lee

We wouldn't be very deep, but neither is Miami, nor is Boston, nor is Chicago, nor are the Lakers.

Please no "I just want picks" responses, the front office supposedly has said they want to remain competitive by getting back veteran talent.

I'm off a similar mindset as well. We could ship Chandler and J-Rich or Landry to GSW for Monta and Beans.

PG-Monta
SG-Landry
SF-Hedo
PF-Ryan
C-Amare

[BadMofoPimp]

I posted this in the GSW Troll and Dream thread for those Magic fans that have no faith in their team.

MagicFan41 wrote:Came up with a very interesting trade scenario, hard to tell if it exactly works with ESPN TradeMachine down at the moment and TradeChecker not allowing you to run it with a guy who has just been signed....but right before the deadline, Chandler is tradeable...I estimated his salary this year to be a little less than $14.0mil (since his deal is reportedly 4 yrs $58mil):

To Magic:
Amare, David Lee, Monta

To Warriors:
Ryan, Redick, Tyson

To Knicks:
Meer, Hedo, JRich, Davis

Fixed. This is more likely to happen for Dream Trades.

FYI. Dwight plays for the Magic. Only those interested in having Dwight leave the Magic are making up these rumors. No actual truth or words from Magic, their players or Dwight himself to support this false drama.

[MagicFan41]

I posted this in the GSW Troll and Dream thread for those Magic fans that have no faith in their team.

MagicFan41 wrote:Came up with a very interesting trade scenario, hard to tell if it exactly works with ESPN TradeMachine down at the moment and TradeChecker not allowing you to run it with a guy who has just been signed....but right before the deadline, Chandler is tradeable...I estimated his salary this year to be a little less than $14.0mil (since his deal is reportedly 4 yrs $58mil):

To Magic:
Amare, David Lee, Monta

To Warriors:
Ryan, Redick, Tyson

To Knicks:
Meer, Hedo, JRich, Davis

Fixed. This is more likely to happen for Dream Trades.

FYI. Dwight plays for the Magic. Only those interested in having Dwight leave the Magic are making up these rumors. No actual truth or words from Magic, their players or Dwight himself to support this false drama.

Are you trying to claim that Dwight himself (or his people or whatever) hasn't requested a trade? He has. I don't want him to leave, but it's obviously worth discussing possibilities, if he came out and requested a trade, which by all accounts, he did. Discussing these things or not isn't going to keep him here or make him leave...it's simply fun, something to do.

[BadMofoPimp]

I agree, but it gets old.

Dwight is playing for the Magic now. This isn't NBA2k12 where hypothetical trades are fun. This is real life. Dwight may have made that trade demand over a month ago. Everything since then has been speculation. Nobody knows what is going on in Dwights mind, but we do know that the Magic organization and Dwight Howard are not thinking trade, but Chicago Bulls. As fans, we should support them.

I seriously doubt that Dwight is going to leave, he is just forcing the Magic to make the right improvements before he makes a decision, which won't happen until the off season. Especially, if Addidas is going to offer him $250 million, he can wait as long as he likes.

Dwight himself said that he is not thinking about trades, but only the next game.

By just making these speculative trades, people here may be inadvertently feeding Media trolls like ESPN and their google searches to feed their hypothetical rumors.

[CPBalla2003 n da 863]

I agree, but it gets old.

Dwight is playing for the Magic now. This isn't NBA2k12 where hypothetical trades are fun. This is real life. Dwight may have made that trade demand over a month ago. Everything since then has been speculation. Nobody knows what is going on in Dwights mind, but we do know that the Magic organization and Dwight Howard are not thinking trade, but Chicago Bulls. As fans, we should support them.

I seriously doubt that Dwight is going to leave, he is just forcing the Magic to make the right improvements before he makes a decision, which won't happen until the off season. Especially, if Addidas is going to offer him $250 million, he can wait as long as he likes.

Dwight himself said that he is not thinking about trades, but only the next game.

By just making these speculative trades, people here may be inadvertently feeding Media trolls like ESPN and their google searches to feed their hypothetical rumors.

[MagicFan41]

I agree, but it gets old.

Dwight is playing for the Magic now. This isn't NBA2k12 where hypothetical trades are fun. This is real life. Dwight may have made that trade demand over a month ago. Everything since then has been speculation. Nobody knows what is going on in Dwights mind, but we do know that the Magic organization and Dwight Howard are not thinking trade, but Chicago Bulls. As fans, we should support them.

I seriously doubt that Dwight is going to leave, he is just forcing the Magic to make the right improvements before he makes a decision, which won't happen until the off season. Especially, if Addidas is going to offer him $250 million, he can wait as long as he likes.

Dwight himself said that he is not thinking about trades, but only the next game.

By just making these speculative trades, people here may be inadvertently feeding Media trolls like ESPN and their google searches to feed their hypothetical rumors.

Which is funny, since this is a SPECULATION thread. EVERYTHING in here is rumor and smokescreen and pieces of truth and made-up lies....I mean, cmon. If you don't think Dwight Howard is thinking trade in his head, you've lost it. I honestly think that's a part of the reason his FT % is so down this year, it's the only real time of the game where he has his thoughts to himself and he isn't caught up in the pace of the game. Does that mean he won't go out and play hard every night, no...I think he certainly will, but that doesn't mean he isn't thinking about things every single day. Gimme a break, he isn't a robot able to just block that from his mind. If the Magic organization isn't thinking the POSSIBILITY of a trade, and at least going over its options, then it's a worse front office than we all thought. That's it's JOB: Keep all options open and be ready with contingency plans should the worst happen. Or do we want another Shaq? I could care less what "Dwight himself said". Dwight also said he never wanted to leave Orlando, even this summer, then a couple months later he requested a trade. If Adidas is going to offer Dwight $250 million, and that will somehow matter (how does that matter exactly?) then Dwight should take the minimum for his salary so he can bring in another all-star if additional money doesn't matter (he won't, since of course it does). I forgot, God must've told him to demand max salary. If we had the ability to simply sign-and-trade him during the offseason to wherever, I wouldn't care as much, but since Dallas and NJ have cleared the necessary room to sign him outright, and since he gains nothing from doing a sign-and-trade with us under the new CBA, this creates a horrible possible scenario this summer.

[YosemiteSam]

Magic:

Jameer Monta JRich Amare Lee

Monta JRich Hedo Amare Lee

I just had to comment - each of those would quite possible be the WORST defensive team in the history of the NBA - seriously, just historically bad.

[MagicFan41]

Magic:

Jameer Monta JRich Amare Lee

Monta JRich Hedo Amare Lee

I just had to comment - each of those would quite possible be the WORST defensive team in the history of the NBA - seriously, just historically bad.

Well, they're better than the Suns teams who got to the WCF, what, twice?

[BadMofoPimp]

I guess I am just amazed that supposed Magic fans are more interested in Trading Dwight than beating the Chicago Bulls hours from gametime.

[MagicFan41]

I guess I am just amazed that supposed Magic fans are more interested in Trading Dwight than beating the Chicago Bulls hours from gametime.

LOL. Don't ever question my loyalty to the Magic. For literally 20 years, I have bled blue completely, every single year. Through it all. Never wavering, never will. Which is exactly why I'm not attached to Dwight, I'm attached to the Magic, and want the MAGIC, not Dwight to keep doing well. Should I drop everything and go run around the arena high fiving everyone yelling GO MAGIC!#!!@!? Will that mean I'm "more interested in beating the Chicago Bulls"? Cuz I don't think you're doing that right now. Discussing trade scenarios on a message board doesn't do anything to detract from beating the Bulls. Gimme a break. I assure you, I want to beat the Bulls more than anybody...and I will be going ape in about 2.5 hours...

What exactly would you like us to do to be "interested in beating the Bulls"? Shall I go show Dwight how to shoot FTs?

[Def Swami]

Game thread for game tonight?

[MagicFan41]

Game thread for game tonight?

In case anybody wasn't aware....Rose banged his elbow pretty bad on Wednesday, he sounds like he is going to play tonight, and Rip is very questionable with a groin injury. Sounds like good fortune for us.

[YosemiteSam]

Magic:

Jameer Monta JRich Amare Lee

Monta JRich Hedo Amare Lee

I just had to comment - each of those would quite possible be the WORST defensive team in the history of the NBA - seriously, just historically bad.

Well, they're better than the Suns teams who got to the WCF, what, twice?

No way - Amare is worse than then due to his knees, Monta is disinterested and terrible at D, Lee is ridiculously bad at D, Richardson has lost mobility as he's aged, Hedo is slow and inconsistent, and Jameer is too short unable to check anyone over 6'1". Those Suns had Marion, GHill, and others that were good to OK at D

[BelgianMagic]

Game thread for game tonight?

Nem is making a last-minute GT ..

[The Magic Man]

I guess I am just amazed that supposed Magic fans are more interested in Trading Dwight than beating the Chicago Bulls hours from gametime.

Why do you want to keep a guy who doesn't want to be here,Dwight will be a free-agent next year,he has demanded a trade,the guy has a right to leave,its his life he can do whatever he wants to.I hate when fans think they can tell athletes what to do with their life,would you like if someone told you what to do with your life.If the Magic don't feel like Dwight will stay they will trade him to the highest bidder after allstar break.Lets hope we can convince him to stay by winning and changing the culture,if he doesn't want to be here we move on and trade him,and we can all move on with our lives.

*Me personally I would love to get Bynum,and flip Gasol for younger talent.

[MagicFan41]

No way - Amare is worse than then due to his knees, Monta is disinterested and terrible at D, Lee is ridiculously bad at D, Richardson has lost mobility as he's aged, Hedo is slow and inconsistent, and Jameer is too short unable to check anyone over 6'1". Those Suns had Marion, GHill, and others that were good to OK at D

Hedo and Monta are def underrated defenders imo. Monta has improved in the past couple of years, both defensively and offensively. He has the size and the quickness to check opposing PGs for sure, always up there in steals (which doesn't get enough credit as a stat - stealing the ball 1.0 SPG more than somebody is basically the same thing as holding an opposing player to like 5-10% less FG % in a game mathematically). I just think he has always been under a coach who doesn't preach defense, and I bet under Mark Jackson this year you will see him become better defensively. I think under Stan he would be a good defender, he has the assets to be one. Hedo is long and can give trouble at the 3 with his length. Lee is horrible yes, but a good rebounder. Amare has improved a little defensively recently, but yes, is not a great one-on-one defender. Nor is JRich. I don't know about "historically" bad though. Offensively that would sure be a fun team to watch though!

[MagicFan41]

For all you optimists out there, fun little tidbit:

The "three teams" Dwight supposedly wants to go to (NJ, DAL, LAL) are a combined 8-15 so far this year, with a combined 8 game losing streak at the moment. We are 5-2

The Mavs look HORRENDOUS thus far, kinda odd.

[Nyce_1]

For all you optimists out there, fun little tidbit:

The "three teams" Dwight supposedly wants to go to (NJ, DAL, LAL) are a combined 8-15 so far this year, with a combined 8 game losing streak at the moment. We are 5-2

The Mavs look HORRENDOUS thus far, kinda odd.

Another tidbit of info. Dwight's agent is best friends with Mark Cuban.