Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

[JamesNaismith]

Why the sigh?

because Teague has looked pretty bad this year

I see a lot of potential. He's made more for the NBA game. He's got great quickness and breakdown ability. I know a lot of people would take someone like Kendal Marshall over him as a PG, but I think that would be extremely shortsighted. Marshall is a great passer but he lacks the quickness and athleticism to ever be a good penetrator or defender at the next level. Hell, he can't even do it in college.

He looks like a worse version of his brother who isn't exactly lighting up the league either.

[CunningLinguist]

Teague and Wroten should be on our radar as possible selections if we don't get a lottery pick. They both have a lot of potential if they smooth out the rough edges of their games.

Fixed. In other words, they shouldn't be on our radar (unless we plan on acquiring an additional first-rounder).

I can't think of 14 players in this draft that have as much potential as those two that suit the Raptors roster.

Some of you guys are way too quick to judge based on early production. You have to look at how their skillset translates to the next level.

[CunningLinguist]

He looks like a worse version of his brother who isn't exactly lighting up the league either.

1) he's nothing like his brother
2) have you noticed how well his brother is playing this year?
3) exercise a little patience
4) rather than just look at college production, look for the traits that will serve him well at the next level (quickness, athleticism, break-down ability)

[Saciid11]

1. Antony Davis.... KG clone


2. Barnes Harrison
3. Jeremy Lamb
4.Micheal Gilchrist
5. Austin River
6. Brad Beal
7. Sullinger
8. Drummand
9. Perry Jones
10. Thomas Robinson

[Saciid11]

Kendall Marshall is the only point guard worth drafting in the lottery,rest are all garbage ...

[JamesNaismith]

He looks like a worse version of his brother who isn't exactly lighting up the league either.

1) he's nothing like his brother
2) have you noticed how well his brother is playing this year?
3) exercise a little patience
4) rather than just look at college production, look for the traits that will serve him well at the next level (quickness, athleticism, break-down ability)

1) Care to explain how he's NOT??? They're both athletic, score first PGs. Their whole style of play looks very similar to each other.
2) Are you referring to the 10 and 5 he's averaging in 36mins? Production like that gets Calderon and Bayless crucified on this forum yet this is playing well for JTeague? Scary thought.
3) I can hear you on this one. I think Teague is can show better then what he has as he's looked pretty awful and out of control out there but even when he focuses he's going to look a lot like his brother.
4) I agree that you have to think how skills will adapt at the next level but again you're looking at a scoring PG and again I'm sorry I just don't see much difference between the two. I'm sure you'll provide a mini breakdown but I don't buy it -- watch the two and they're incredibly similar but Jeff just plays more under control.

[CunningLinguist]

Kendall Marshall is the only point guard worth drafting in the lottery,rest are all garbage ...

Marshall has no quickness, no athleticism, can't penetrate, can't shoot and can't defend. He is a very good passer, but that's it. Do you remember Marcus Willams from UConn? How about Ed Cota, from North Carolina? Very similar strengths and weaknesses as Marshall.

Don't get me wrong, Marshall will certainly have a place in the league, but he's very one dimensional. I don't think we could have him and Demar in the same starting backcourt due to their lack of penetrating ability.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Who's seen enough Tony Wroten this year to give me an update? I've only seen highlights of him so all I know is he's flashy. What's he been like this season in his freshman year?

[Saciid11]

Kendall Marshall is the only point guard worth drafting in the lottery,rest are all garbage ...

Marshall has no quickness, no athleticism, can't penetrate, can't shoot and can't defend. He is a very good passer, but that's it. Do you remember Marcus Willams from UConn? How about Ed Cota, from North Carolina? Very similar strengths and weaknesses as Marshall.

Don't get me wrong, Marshall will certainly have a place in the league, but he's very one dimensional. I don't think we could have him and Demar in the same starting backcourt due to their lack of penetrating ability.

Remember Jamal Tinsley or Mark Jackson...they said the same thing about them, to slow, no athleticism, can`t penetrate, etc....

[CunningLinguist]

He looks like a worse version of his brother who isn't exactly lighting up the league either.

1) he's nothing like his brother
2) have you noticed how well his brother is playing this year?
3) exercise a little patience
4) rather than just look at college production, look for the traits that will serve him well at the next level (quickness, athleticism, break-down ability)

1) Care to explain how he's NOT??? They're both athletic, score first PGs. Their whole style of play looks very similar to each other. I've seen much better passing skills than Jeff showed at Wake Forest and he's much stronger to absorb contact and finish at the next level
2) Are you referring to the 10 and 5 he's averaging in 36mins? Production like that gets Calderon and Bayless crucified on this forum yet this is playing well for JTeague? Scary thought.He's just beginning his 3rd year in the league and that team has other scoring options. You can't deny he's much improved this year. It's all moot because he's not like his brother.
3) I can hear you on this one. I think Teague is can show better then what he has as he's looked pretty awful and out of control out there but even when he focuses he's going to look a lot like his brother. We'll have to agree to disagree on the comparison to his brother. in terms of exercising patience, think of how everyone was complaining about Derrick Rose early in his freshman year (not that I'm comparing Teague to him)
4) I agree that you have to think how skills will adapt at the next level but again you're looking at a scoring PG and again I'm sorry I just don't see much difference between the two. I'm sure you'll provide a mini breakdown but I don't buy it -- watch the two and they're incredibly similar but Jeff just plays more under control.

How many of the top point guards in the NBA aren't scoring point guards? This idea of a "true point guard" is such BS to me. The NBA game has changed to favour PGs that can penetrate and score. Looking at guys like Rose, Rondo, Curry, Holiday, Westbrook in college, I doubt anyone would have described them as "true point guards". Hell, some of them played little or no PG at the college level

[Undefeated]

Marquis Teague should stay an extra year at Kentucky, but then again, he'll have competition with Ryan Harrow who I believe is a much better floor general and playmaker. John Calipari's dribble-drive motion offense is practically tailor-made for Marquis Teague to succeed yet he's still struggling. He really, really needs to improve his decision making when to drive and when to pass, and keep his head up when attacking down the middle because it'll open a plethora of passing opportunities.

I haven't seen Myck Kabongo played, so I can't comment on him. But the only PG worth drafting is Tony Wroten Jr. He's practically John Wall-lite with his breakdown ability, court vision and explosviness. I just love his ability to create something out of nothing when the offense becomes stagnant. His creativity with the ball in his hands is simply amazing. He just needs to lower his turnovers by not being too fancy with his dribble and improve his set shot at the free-throw line.

[Saciid11]

Kendall Marshall is the only point guard worth drafting in the lottery,rest are all garbage ...

Marshall has no quickness, no athleticism, can't penetrate, can't shoot and can't defend. He is a very good passer, but that's it. Do you remember Marcus Willams from UConn? How about Ed Cota, from North Carolina? Very similar strengths and weaknesses as Marshall.

Don't get me wrong, Marshall will certainly have a place in the league, but he's very one dimensional. I don't think we could have him and Demar in the same starting backcourt due to their lack of penetrating ability.

Derozen might not be great ball handler, but he is a very good slasher and getting to free throw line... also Derozen is more of small forward then a two guard ... that is why I like Lamb, Brad beal and Austin River in this draft..

[CunningLinguist]

Kendall Marshall is the only point guard worth drafting in the lottery,rest are all garbage ...

Marshall has no quickness, no athleticism, can't penetrate, can't shoot and can't defend. He is a very good passer, but that's it. Do you remember Marcus Willams from UConn? How about Ed Cota, from North Carolina? Very similar strengths and weaknesses as Marshall.

Don't get me wrong, Marshall will certainly have a place in the league, but he's very one dimensional. I don't think we could have him and Demar in the same starting backcourt due to their lack of penetrating ability.

Remember Jamal Tinsley or Mark Jackson...they said the same thing about them, to slow, no athleticism, can`t penetrate, etc....

Did Jamal Tinsley light up the league? Jackson played in an era where the rules didn't favour penetrating guards. He could hit an open 3 as well. I don't think you can win in this league if you don't have a least one of your guards with the ability to get to the hoop off the dribble and Demar certainly isn't that.

Again, Marshall will have a place in the league, but ideally it would be playing alongside a penetrating SG like Kobe/Wade/Pre-injury Roy. He'll have to learn to hit the open 3 to stay on the floor though.

[JamesNaismith]

Kendall Marshall is the only point guard worth drafting in the lottery,rest are all garbage ...

Marshall has no quickness, no athleticism, can't penetrate, can't shoot and can't defend. He is a very good passer, but that's it. Do you remember Marcus Willams from UConn? How about Ed Cota, from North Carolina? Very similar strengths and weaknesses as Marshall.

Don't get me wrong, Marshall will certainly have a place in the league, but he's very one dimensional. I don't think we could have him and Demar in the same starting backcourt due to their lack of penetrating ability.

Derozen might not be great ball handler, but he is a very good slasher and getting to free throw line... also Derozen is more of small forward then a two guard ... that is why I like Lamb, Brad beal and Austin River in this draft..

DeRozan is a SF in a SG's body lol

[CunningLinguist]

Marquis Teague should stay an extra year at Kentucky, but then again, he'll have competition with Ryan Harrow who I believe is a much better floor general and playmaker. John Calipari's dribble-drive motion offense is practically tailor-made for Marquis Teague to succeed yet he's still struggling. He really, really needs to improve his decision making when to drive and when to pass, and keep his head up when attacking down the middle because it'll open a plethora of passing opportunities.

I haven't seen Myck Kabongo played, so I can't comment on him. But the only PG worth drafting is Tony Wroten Jr. He's practically John Wall-lite with his breakdown ability, court vision and explosviness. I just love his ability to create something out of nothing when the offense becomes stagnant. His creativity with the ball in his hands is simply amazing. He just needs to lower his turnovers by not being too fancy with his dribble and improve his set shot at the free-throw line.

I agree with you on Wroten, which is why I mentioned him earlier in the thread. I can't believe some don't see him as a potential lottery pick, though some teams may be scared off by his injury. I think Teague just needs time to mature. As a physical package, he's similar to Marbury, who could have been a great player if he wasn't a raging psychopath.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I want Austin Rivers nowhere near this team.

[CunningLinguist]

Washington is playing Utah at 2:00pm today if anyone wants to watch Wroten. The game is available online.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Texas Tech looks good, they're getting after Baylor.

[Undefeated]

Man, Austin River change of gears is crazy, very explosive. Nice take there by Rivers.

[Undefeated]

Wow big time lob pass by Seth Curry to Mason Plumlee.