OFFICIAL - Amare Must Go Thread (all hate here) #TRADESTAT

[B96Najdorf]

If stat and chandler are playing up to their contracts worth then It would be the opportune moment to offer them both for dwight howard + filler.

I do this because howard is a fair bit younger so the knicks would contend for atleast the next 5 years.

With Amare and Chandler, with the game they play you only have a three year window.

When Bibby is shooting lights out it opens up the floor for Amare.
When Shumpert slashes in the paint it gives Amare more room to roam.

The length of the knicks tired out the pistons in the second quarter. The constant volleyball above the rim antics from chandler and amare crushed the pistons hopes.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Amare is the guy that created the NY hype machine. Without him there is no Mello. He was playing like an MVP before the Mello trade. A slow start and you ready to ship him out? Give him time to at least show that he can play with Mello.

[blumatic]

I'm not taking the bait. And we don't need this thread stickied. Let's be honest, it's a sad, harsh and bitter reality we are facing in this thread. But it is reality.

Are we satisfied that Amare didn't get embarrassed defensively against Jason Maxiell and Jonas Jerebko? In a game that was over when we crushed the spirit of a team that's bad both offensively and defensively by the second quarter?

Amare dunks the ball hard. And he's looked like he might have realized how important it is to box out. Yeah we get it. I still call fake hustle.

Take the win for what it is - a good step in the right direction. Not as a rationalization for our $100 million star player that is a brain dead defensive softee.

I'm no hater. Just one of the few who are willing to admit that we have a lower ceiling with Amare on this team than without.

But hey, if you are feeling impressed and have reasonable faith in this roster to legitimately compete in this league, don't let me take that away from you.

#TRADE STAT

Even though I disagree with your opinion I will defend your right to express it. But It dont mean I wont smack you in the back of the head during your rhetoric.

[DAntoniMustGo]

I can understand this type of thread for D'Antoni...

but trading A'mare...? cmon man.

[knickfan212]

I can understand this type of thread for D'Antoni...

but trading A'mare...? cmon man.

Damn whats with all the new usernames? We have DAntoniMustGo?

Might as well rename Albert's username to AmareMustGo, TKF's to GalloMustComeBack, and Pharmcat's to SignBogans-So-I-must-Cum and we are set for the year.

[DAntoniMustGo]

I can understand this type of thread for D'Antoni...

but trading A'mare...? cmon man.

Damn whats with all the new usernames? We have DAntoniMustGo?

Might as well rename Albert's username to AmareMustGo, TKF's to GalloMustComeBack, and Pharmcat's to SignBogans-So-I-must-Cum and we are set for the year.

Probably not the best username in the world for me. I didn't know once you picked a username you couldn't change it for a year. So I'm pretty much stuck with this name....

[Nutty Nats Fan]

Amare is the guy that created the NY hype machine. Without him there is no Mello. He was playing like an MVP before the Mello trade. A slow start and you ready to ship him out? Give him time to at least show that he can play with Mello.

Amare had nothing to do with Melo coming to NY. Melo wanted NY before Amare was signed. Amare should have kept Melo coming to NY.

Last year, yeah.. Amare was averaging 30 PPG per 48 at PF. But opposing PF's were averaging 25 PPG. NY's defense gave up 5 less points when he was on the bench. Dirk, who people think is a bad defender was at 32 PPG and 20 PPG. Melo, who people also claim can't defense, 34 PPG and 20 PPG. (according to 82games).

And I'd be shocked if Amare finishes this season healthy (if he isn't given enough rest) and shocked he doesn't have a major injury during his contract. NY was plain stupid to give him a max deal without insurance.

This isn't hate. It is fact. I'd love it if Amare actually starts playing basketball and learns how to play defense and stays healthy. I just don't see it happening and NY isn't winning it all with him.

[ITGM]

May the record show: I never contributed to this silly thread.

[Greenie]

May the record show: I never contributed to this silly thread.

Look, I just want STAT to improve on defense. PERIOD. If he does not improve his defense then me and many others will want him to GTFO.

[Greenie]

it was the pistons. i will be happy with stoudemire when he shows a consistent effort to do what this team needs out of him. that means not being a liability on defense, not taking stupid shots, not dribbling the ball off his foot because he has delusions of grandeur when it comes to his ball handling abilities, boxing out, and moving the ball and trying to find his teammates. i am not saying he won't do that, but i won't be happy until he does on a consistent basis.

This

[moocow007]

Amare is the guy that created the NY hype machine. Without him there is no Mello. He was playing like an MVP before the Mello trade. A slow start and you ready to ship him out? Give him time to at least show that he can play with Mello.

Amare had nothing to do with Melo coming to NY. Melo wanted NY before Amare was signed. Amare should have kept Melo coming to NY.

Last year, yeah.. Amare was averaging 30 PPG per 48 at PF. But opposing PF's were averaging 25 PPG. NY's defense gave up 5 less points when he was on the bench. Dirk, who people think is a bad defender was at 32 PPG and 20 PPG. Melo, who people also claim can't defense, 34 PPG and 20 PPG. (according to 82games).

And I'd be shocked if Amare finishes this season healthy (if he isn't given enough rest) and shocked he doesn't have a major injury during his contract. NY was plain stupid to give him a max deal without insurance.

This isn't hate. It is fact. I'd love it if Amare actually starts playing basketball and learns how to play defense and stays healthy. I just don't see it happening and NY isn't winning it all with him.

The Dirk comparison isnt exactly fair since the Mavericks as a team were better defensively, Dirk actually got to play his natural position and had a defensively geared center to compliment his otherwise underwhelming defense. And what exactly was the sample size comparing when he was in vs when he wasnt in? Considering that Stoudemire was in almost all the time when the other teams top opposing positional player was in, isnt it expected that the opposing position would seem to score more when he was in? The Mavs defense was able to cover Nowitzkis weaknesses much, much, much better than the poo Stoudemire had covering him. Stoudemire is not a good defender, everyone knows that. You can argue pretty assertively that he also isnt an "ok" defender.

And how exactly does one use something that hasnt happened yet (the old "Amares Knees will Break Down" argument) used to argue trading him for poo? Unless someone got a time machine and actualluy used it successfully the reality is that the micro fracture happened 5 years ago. And aside from the 28 games he missed from the eye injury, hes averaged 79.8 games a season since coming back from the surgery he had 5 years ago. Nor does it factor in Stoudemire being a notorious athlete in taking care of himself, excercising and the natural genetics he comes with.

So could he turn out bad health wise? Sure. But so can anyone. Heck Blake Griffin, who also is bad defensively and lost defensively a noticeable amount of time hes on the floor, missed an entire season because of his knees. Does that mean we should be prepared for him tobreak down in his prime too?

Whether the contract will eventually be not worth, no one knows until it does or doesnt happen. But what is clear is that the Knicks are best, like they are lastnight, with 2 supetstars and everyone else feeding off of them. They play like they did last night and theyd be better than all the Gallinari and Wilson Chandler enduced (let them go, they are gone) teams.

[moocow007]

May the record show: I never contributed to this silly thread.

Look, I just want STAT to improve on defense. PERIOD. If he does not improve his defense then me and many others will want him to GTFO.

Yeah but GTFO for what? A good portion of you guys think hes poo. So why wouldnt the opposing GMs think hes anything other than poo? Only possibility is that opposing GMs, who would know more about if someone is poo or not, knows hes not poo.

Look obviously Stoudemires play has been poo for most if the season, but people forget that he was carrying this team on his back last season and was seriously being viewed as an MVP candidate before the load of carrying poo started to wear him out. Would be the same thing if all the knicksmanaged was to pass on Stoudemire and just throw the burden solely on someone like Melo (i mean we already see the early signs of Melo breaking down if the none poo players on this team dont step up and the coaching staff dont figure out a way to get this team figured out). The Knicks need Stoudemire to play like Stoudemire now have the coverage for his weakness in Tyson Chandler. Thats up to Stoudemire and DAntoni to figure out. Assuming they do (and we have to assume that...Stoudemire superstar and, according to the apologists, DAntoni great coach) then absolutely it would be nonsensicalto deal Stoudemire for a package of poo.

[NoMoreThrees]

Dumb Thread.

#Ban Albert

+1000

OP's a freaking tool!

what. i like albert posts. and his user image owns. maybe he was just mad at the losses like we all were. oh that and amare was playing hurt. nobody seem to say nothing about that. but he was. dudes still a boss.

[Mr Knick]

I take that Albest is just fusterated Knick fan, so he taking it out on Amar'e defense. No reason to ban him or to call him names. If we start winning games and playing better, people will calm down on the forum.

[Rasho Brezec]

Given by the way Amare played at the time this thread was made, there's nothing wrong with it. A guy you're paying max contract should be a two way player.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

The Dirk comparison isnt exactly fair since the Mavericks as a team were better defensively, Dirk actually got to play his natural position and had a defensively geared center to compliment his otherwise underwhelming defense. And what exactly was the sample size comparing when he was in vs when he wasnt in? Considering that Stoudemire was in almost all the time when the other teams top opposing positional player was in, isnt it expected that the opposing position would seem to score more when he was in? The Mavs defense was able to cover Nowitzkis weaknesses much, much, much better than the poo Stoudemire had covering him. Stoudemire is not a good defender, everyone knows that. You can argue pretty assertively that he also isnt an "ok" defender.

And how exactly does one use something that hasnt happened yet (the old "Amares Knees will Break Down" argument) used to argue trading him for poo? Unless someone got a time machine and actualluy used it successfully the reality is that the micro fracture happened 5 years ago.

Cut to save space.

True, the caparison isn't completely fair, but the numbers I quote were when Amare was at PF. Not C (although just looked at the center numbers and they are a little better LOL). And the team has effect on them too. But the eye test also backs up the fact he is a bad defender.

I don't argue for trading him for poo. And that is the reality, that surgery was 5 years ago. Micro Fracture surgery leaves a knee more likely to break down from use. Right, it might not happen, but seemed every other team in the league and the insurance company didn't believe his knee would make it to the end of the deal.

Which will make trading him harder, but if a team is willing to bite and give back good value, go for it.

Edit: And Kmart, who is a genetic freak, wasn't able to avoid further issues with his knees. I saw how his contract hamstrung Denver. Don't want to see the same in NY.

[Sprewell4Three]

Lets be honest we have some of the dumbest and most impatient fans around. To make a thread like this after only like what 3 games played? is absolutely asinine..

Some of you cats are worse than women when it comes to complainining / whining...

[cboswald95]

I cant believe some Knicks fan have such a short memory...

[BeagleBoss]

Stat IS NYC and ain't going nowhere. Sorry haters!!!!

[Knick Swisher]

Lets be honest we have some of the dumbest and most impatient fans around. To make a thread like this after only like what 3 games played? is absolutely asinine..

Some of you cats are worse than women when it comes to complainining / whining...

QFT