Solving the Noah-Boozer Chemistry problem: Move Boozer to C

[BJ43]

The only difference this makes is on the defensive end. This won't affect anything offensively.

1. How can anyone arguing with this?
2. How can anyone not realise this to begin with?

Do you plan on having Thibs call a timeout, approach opposing coach to inform them that they need to now have their C guard Boozer and not their PF because he's switched their positions? You can't control what the other team does defensively.

You can call Rose the PF and play Boozer at PG for all it matters they're still going to assign the same defense to guard the players on our end

As far as the offense goes, what difference does it make if you call him the C, PF, SF or whatever as long as Boozer and Noah are out there together, there's clearly a problem



Personally I'd start Asik/Boozer/Deng/Brewer/Rose and bring Noah/Gibson/Korver/Hamilton/Watson off the bench. Each unit has 2 defensive specialists, and no lack of offense when you go to the bench, with your backcourt and sf all capable of scoring.

In theory you bring Hamilton and Noah in early (around the midway point of the 1st qtr) to play alongside the starters, and end the qtr with the complete 2nd unit coming in around the 3 min remaining mark of the qtr.

This means Brewer/Asik are playing about 24 mins a game as are Noah/Hamilton

It's a little bit less than what Noah is averaging now, (26mins) an extra 7 more mins for Asik
Brewer gets 4 more mins than what he's getting now, and Hamilton about 5 mins less...again this is just in theory and obviously Thibs decisions are game to game

With Korver/Watson coming in the last 3 mins and starting the first 3 mins of the next qtr, in theory again they're all playing 3mins a qtr i.e 12 mins a game leaving Deng/Rose at 36 mins a game

Rose - same as he's playing now
Deng- a 2 min decrease in mins
Korver - a 7 min decrease
Watson - pretty much same mins
Boozer - continues to play 30 mins a game
Gibson - goes to 18 mins a game instead of 20

[kingkirk]

Who's to stop the opposing teams defense from putting a quicker 4 on him anyway?

[jax98]

awful ideal

Boozer too small already as a PF.

Seriously, this myth needs to end:

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... All&sort=1

6'9.5 with shoes. That's not too short for a power forward.

[veji1]

all this debate about Noah and Boozer on defense is interesting. Particularly like what m_willis01 said about Noah bulking too much. I have never been a fan of altering players morphotypes, because it is a bad idea long term. A player's game has been molded by his physical tools and changing his body too much messes up with it.

You want players to bit fit, ie get fat asses to tone down, ensure that players are explosive enough. But you can't turn a wiry lanky guzy in a Bynum or Howard type of center, They will never have their core strength despite all the effort, will lose out in terms of speed und risk more injuries.

I am personnally convinced that had Tim Duncan stayed 20 pounds lighter during his prime years, ie 2000 to 2007, he might have had 2 or 3 years at the top more.

The Bulls have Asik who is a natural classic big centre, with broad frame, a big physical mass. Noah is not an will never be that player. His partnership with Horford worked really well because Horford has that wide sturdy build and Noah is the wiry quick help defender.

When I see Noah now I see 15 to 20 pounds of excessive muscle. For him to be the active defensive anchor of our system, playing the KG role of active help defender and gap plugger in chief he needs to be light on his feet and not short winded.

People need to realise that in terms of stamina, those extra 20 pounds have a massive impact. Whether they are muscle or fat is actually not that important, it just means that Noah has to run around, switch and cover space with an extra weight. in a sport of explosiveness such as basketball it is bad.

I know fans have this obsession with bulking up for Pfs and Cs, but I just find it silly. Of course the body matures progressively, but Noah got in the NBA age 23, not 19, and his body type wasn't going to change, a bit of trimming, 5 to 10 pounds of extra muscle max. For the rest we need Noah to be quick and elastic.

I just hope he gets back to a lighter frame before he busts a knee or we just witness a progressive decline into an average classic C, as opposed to the light footed defensive beast he can be.

[Jedi]

No... no, no, no....... No.

He would be undersized at the position and if he stinks at the 4 he will bomb at the 5. Bomb as in a toilet bomb.

[drivewayball]

I have written this a few times over the last year, but positions aside, you logically have Boozer defend the opposing player who plays closes to the basket. Gibson and Noah are both better suited for guarding the forwards or centers that look for the perimeter jumpers. Having Boozer guarding on the perimeter is a waste because he lacks quickness and is neutralized as a rebounder. Carlos is also the strongest of the frontcourt players and most capable of bodying a post player out of position.

[TRWJINC]

Give them to All star to work it out. If they haven't

Trade Boozer and CJ and Picks to LAL for Gasol. They can use those picks and Bynum to get Dwight

[Sevach]

awful ideal

Boozer too small already as a PF.

Seriously, this myth needs to end:

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... All&sort=1

6'9.5 with shoes. That's not too short for a power forward.

The problem with Boozer size is, he is not exactly big, and he is very slow on his feet compared to guys his size, and even some bigger guys, Joakim for one.


He is taller than Luol, but mostly because of his neck, their shoulders are close (edge Boozer still) probably quite close in reach.
He is strong enough not to be pushed around, but if the guy is big and has a good jump hook he can't stop him, then again he can't stop people who put the ball on the floor either.

On topic, this "moving Boozer to C" doesn't mean anything, he will pretty much always defend the weaker scoring threat on the opposition and be guarded by their "defensive specialist".
The real issue is how we rotate the bigs and how they gel.

I think we should try playing Joakim more with Omer (on the bench mob) and Taj with Boozer (with Rose on the floor).

Ps: If we can turn Boozer into Pau we should do it now and fast.

[dice]

it doesn't matter what you call him position-wise. he'll continue to guard the opponent's weaker frontcourt player. this thread is useless

[Red8911]

Noah is the starting center and it will stay this way unless he gets injured,fined or traded away,,so save your time and ideas for another topic.

[m_willis01]

When I see Noah now I see 15 to 20 pounds of excessive muscle. For him to be the active defensive anchor of our system, playing the KG role of active help defender and gap plugger in chief he needs to be light on his feet and not short winded.

People need to realise that in terms of stamina, those extra 20 pounds have a massive impact. Whether they are muscle or fat is actually not that important, it just means that Noah has to run around, switch and cover space with an extra weight. in a sport of explosiveness such as basketball it is bad.

I just hope he gets back to a lighter frame before he busts a knee or we just witness a progressive decline into an average classic C, as opposed to the light footed defensive beast he can be.

This is right on the button.

Noah has gotten too bulky & his stamina, his feet are all taking a BEATING because of it.

[BULLHITTER]

Noah has gotten too bulky & his stamina, his feet are all taking a BEATING because of it.

this is nothing more than a wild guess. bordering on ridiculous after just 9 games, the equivalent to a preseason. there's no way to substantiate it statistically at this time, there's no way to confirm it since noah hasn't been out with any injury. it's all raging speculation searching for a reason to doubt noah's commitment to the team.

wasn't this about moving boozer anyway?

[tleikheen]

Shows here lots of guys don't know where Boozer played before he came to Chicago,he played for Utah and played in the same lineup with Mehmet Okur.He's always been matched up against the Yao Ming"s and Tim Duncan's {PF but plays more as a C }.Problem is ,no one respects Noah's outside shots and are continously cheating on Boozer.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

.....Jo needs to make his taps and layups if he does that we don't have a problem

This. It's very simple & it's gonna happen people. If Noah's taps were going in, we wouldn't have any controversy on this board regarding his play.

[tclg]

They just both need to play a little better but noah is in a slump