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Post#41 » by Cutter » Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:48 pm

thamadkant wrote:The suns need a pick in the top 5 to express the rebuild....


Kant, when it come to the Suns rebuild you're a Dreamer and Piper of the highest order :lol: (hat tip to Frank Lee 8-)). You, Beas4pres, MarJJMar and many others are always saying we need a top 5 pick, but never say how we can realisticlly get one. Trading Gortat, Dudley, Frye, Hill, Nash or any other Sun will not get us a top 5 pick in return. Period.

In the Suns 44 season, they have had a Top 5 pick only 6 times:

1969.....Neal Walk #2
1972.....Corky Calhoun #4
1974.....John Shumate #4
1975.....Alvan Adams #4
1977.....Walter Davis #5
1987.....Armen Gilliam #2

For the Suns to tank hard enough to get a Top 5 pick would be a historical event for this franchise. They have only had one Top 5 pick in the last 35 years!! I just don't see it happening.
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Re: The draft prospect tracking thread. 

Post#42 » by thamadkant » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:26 pm

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thamadkant wrote:The suns need a pick in the top 5 to express the rebuild....


Kant, when it come to the Suns rebuild you're a Dreamer and Piper of the highest order :lol: (hat tip to Frank Lee 8-)). You, Beas4pres, MarJJMar and many others are always saying we need a top 5 pick, but never say how we can realisticlly get one. Trading Gortat, Dudley, Frye, Hill, Nash or any other Sun will not get us a top 5 pick in return. Period.

In the Suns 44 season, they have had a Top 5 pick only 6 times:

1969.....Neal Walk #2
1972.....Corky Calhoun #4
1974.....John Shumate #4
1975.....Alvan Adams #4
1977.....Walter Davis #5
1987.....Armen Gilliam #2

For the Suns to tank hard enough to get a Top 5 pick would be a historical event for this franchise. They have only had one Top 5 pick in the last 35 years!! I just don't see it happening.


Outside the top 3, pick 4 and 5 are order of record.

If Suns finish bottom 5 in the league, suns have 80% chance of top 5 pick.

Even a top 7 or 8 pick can be vey handy. Assuming Michael Kidd Gilchrist is available, this guy will be a stud wingman who can defend, rebound, hustle and score enough.


But Nash is keeping the Suns hover enough to keep them outside the top 12 picks.
At that range possible pick ups are:
1. John Henson - potential Samuel Dalembert/Deandre Jordan.
2. Kendall Marshall - 6'4 pass first high IQ point guard, nuff said, you can teach him to be a spot up shooter, but his attitude of always looking to setup and give tha ball up for a better shot is gold.

Both are not superstar potentials but very much welcomed. If suns decide to keep Gortat, Frye, Morris and get a big man free agent. That lists narrows down to Kendall Marshall and other shooting guards.

The elite shooting guards with franchise type player potentials are in the top 7-8.
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Re: The draft prospect tracking thread. 

Post#43 » by Ryu » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:53 pm

I would rather draft Kabongo who has higher ceiling than Marshall, imho.

At 10-15 range my pick would be Quincy Miller.
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Post#44 » by MarJJMar » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:34 pm

If we pick that low I'd rather have Kabongo #27 over Miller. I'd also rather have Rivers #21 than Miller and going by Draftexpress certainly Jeremy Lamb #11, Bradley Beal #9, Patric Young #16.

Not that high on Miller.

Btw Young at #16, Rivers at #21 and Kabongo at #27 are great value picks. Hope we can get a couple of mid-late first rounders to go with our own.

That said we will draft in the #7-11 range. Going by DX my preference would be Gilchrist>Beal>Lamb.
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Post#45 » by Ryu » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:02 pm

I`d be absolutely delighted if we pick up Gilchrist (my favorite prospect in upcoming draft class) or Brad Beal, but they`re going in top 7, unfortunely for Suns.

Miller, in my opinion, has the highest ceiling of all prospects in our draft range and can be our go-to scorer in the near future. I don`t mind Rivers jr. neither but dislike his attitude.
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Post#46 » by Frank Lee » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:10 pm

thamadkant wrote:If Suns finish bottom 5 in the league, suns have 80% chance of top 5 pick.


So who are the Filthy Five ??

Wash
NJ
Det
Char
Cleve ?

Thats just the 'Least of the East'


Hard to see us any worse than those. It would take effort and intention.
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Re: The draft prospect tracking thread. 

Post#47 » by thamadkant » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:39 am

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thamadkant wrote:If Suns finish bottom 5 in the league, suns have 80% chance of top 5 pick.





So who are the Filthy Five ??

Wash
NJ
Det
Char
Cleve ?

Thats just the 'Least of the East'


Hard to see us any worse than those. It would take effort and intention.




With Nash, Suns are about bottom 15. Maybe 10th out west and 15th overall record wise.

Without Nash, bottom 7 overall. Probably tie with Kings. If tank mode 2nd half of season, bottom 5.
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Post#48 » by Kerrsed » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:15 am

We need 2 picks and bad. The two guys im keeping my eyes on, who we can get in our range without this winning the lotto BS is.......

Myck Kabongo!

Here we have Steve Nash's replacement, and the Floor General of our new young team.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqDpDYv7v54[/youtube]


And the next guy i would be looking at is.....

LEBRYAN NASH!

A solid defensive SF, that is going to turnout to be an Artest..oops.. i mean a World Peace type of player, but with better Offense to match up with the awesome D!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxjkMuScur8[/youtube]


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Post#49 » by gaspar » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:25 pm

@ChristopheEPcom EuropeanProspects
Three NBA scouts (Blazers, Nuggets, Suns) are expected for the game Paris vs Poitiers to follow Evan Fournier according to @basketactu

Fournier (SG/SF) is #21 in DraftExpress' 2012 Mock Draft
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Post#50 » by GrantHill » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:49 pm

Where would you rank Kidd-Gilchrist? Do you think he'll be a top 5 pick. What about Austin Rivers? I like them both.
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Post#51 » by Ryu » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:45 pm

Kidd-Gilchrist has superstar potential with his combination of talent and work ethic. Easily the best prospect at sg/sf position. I am rooting for Suns to take him on the draft day.
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Post#52 » by thamadkant » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:52 pm

MKG will go top 5 at this rate.
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Post#53 » by Avp115 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:18 am

Call me crazy but MKG reminds me of D-Wade
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Post#54 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:37 am

Avp115 wrote:Call me crazy but MKG reminds me of D-Wade


Crazy. I think NBAdraft.net's comparison is alot closer.

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Post#55 » by ma_falaa_50 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:52 am

I like kabongo.
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Post#56 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:55 am

ma_falaa_50 wrote:I like kabongo.


As do I! :D
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Post#57 » by Cutter » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:00 pm

Nash endorses Kabongo as well.....!

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In the case of Steve Nash and Myck Kabongo, that's precisely what happened. Nash, who had been following the career of Kabongo, then a young point guard playing for Findley Prep, sent Kabongo a follow request on Twitter. Kabongo, wowed by the two-time NBA Most Valuable Player, followed Nash right back, and thanked him for the original action. And just like that, a friendship was born.
"What a world it is," said Kabongo, now a freshman point guard at Texas. "It's crazy what media can do now."

According to Nash, that media can bring worlds together. In fact, Kabongo and Nash have never actually "met," at least not by the standard definition of the word. Yet the two make almost daily contact through a combination of Twitter and text messages. "(Nash) It's just another guy who is a mentor to me," Kabongo said. "He watches every game I play and gives me insight and pointers on what I can do better and how I can lead better. To have someone like him as my mentor is good."

That's an understatement. Nash is the consummate NBA floor general, leading the league in assists five times, including five of the last seven years. He has made the NBA All-Star team seven times, and has had more 50-40- 90 (field goal percentage, three-point percentage, free-throw percentage) seasons than any player in NBA history. "Every time I finish a game he texts me letting me know what I can work on," Kabongo said. "I ask him what he sees... He's been very helpful."

Kabongo said that advice varied from staying low coming off ball screens to creating floaters, and keeping his dribble in the paint instead of immediately looking to pass the ball to a teammate.
"It's a lot easier to relate to what he's going through because he's a point guard," Nash said. "I can relate to what he's going through in his freshman year at a Division I program. I can relate to the lessons he's learning firsthand, more than could... to a power forward.

"Point guard is the hardest position in a lot of ways," Nash said. "There's no shortcut for the lessons that you come across, especially at this stage in his career." Nash's freshman year at Santa Clara, he scored 8.1 points and had 2.5 rebounds and 2.2 assists in 24.0 minutes per game. The Longhorns depend on Kabongo more, with the freshman playing 27.7 minutes per game, scoring 9.7 points, grabbing 3.3 rebounds and dishing out 5.5 assists per contest.

But this is more than just one great point guard reaching out to another. Nash is a three-time winner of the Lionel Conacher Award as the Canadian male athlete of the year, and has also won the Lou Marsh Trophy as the Canadian athlete of the year. He played major minutes for the Canadian National Team, captaining the 2000 Olympic squad that won its round-robin group only to fall in the quarterfinals. He also led the Canadians in 2004 Olympic qualifying, though they fell just short of qualifying for the tournament. "Being Canadian, I root for all the guys," Nash said. "I followed Cory (Joseph) and Tristan (Thompson) at UT last year, but Twitter wasn't as big and I didn't have a chance to connect with them in time."

That wasn't the case with Kabongo, whom Nash sees as the next great Canadian point guard.
"The sky's the limit for him," Nash said. "I don't know about whether it's an 'if' so much as a 'when.' He has a great desire for the game, and that's the most important thing, even more than the talent he has. He has a great desire and passion for it. "I think he's capable right now of playing on the men's national team," Nash said. "But it's about him taking his time, learning his lessons and improving his game.

He'll be ready when the time comes."

Nash said he sees some similarities between his game and Kabongo's. "I think Myck's a better athlete than I am; he's more explosive," Nash said. "But we're both true point guards. He's constantly penetrating, and he's a playmaker, like I'm a playmaker. So I think there are a lot of similarities.
"He's a natural leader," Nash said. "He's very quick, has long arms, a very good feel for the game. He's a good passer, good in transition and has a lot of different
skills and attributes. The last thing to come will be his shooting, but he's going to get a lot better at that."

Nash said Kabongo's work ethic sets him up for success.

"It seems like that is a true characteristic of his personality and his approach to the game," Nash said. "That's the most important trait, it goes without saying. It's important to be working every day. If you're trying to get better, you will get better. It's just a matter of time.

"I'm just rooting for him," Nash said. "He's a great kid with a great passion for the game. He's a leader. I think it's going to be fun to watch him develop." Kabongo said his game would continue to develop thanks to the pointers from Nash. "Little things that I didn't know about, he's helping me with," Kabongo said. "He tells me how he does things, and I try to apply that. He tells me how he sees the
floor and reads what the defense is giving him. He's been really helpful in all that.

"Our relationship has grown," Kabongo said. "That's someone who's just a phenomenal player and person. He's a great guy."
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Post#58 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:56 pm

As i have been stating for awhile now, Kabongo is the PG we need to be targeting in the draft. :D
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Post#59 » by Cutter » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:11 am

For 2012 Draft Express does not have Kabonog anywhere on their board.

For 2013 they have him as the #5 pick in the draft! :o

I saw on another draft site Kabongo listed at something like #25 for 2012 draft.

Has he delared that he is going to return to school for another year, or is he coming out for the draft this year? I haven't heard one way or another.
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Post#60 » by Kerrsed » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:16 am

Cutter wrote:For 2012 Draft Express does not have Kabonog anywhere on their board.

For 2013 they have him as the #5 pick in the draft! :o

I saw on another draft site Kabongo listed at something like #25 for 2012 draft.

Has he delared that he is going to return to school for another year, or is he coming out for the draft this year? I haven't heard one way or another.


Nothing has really been said, but consensus is he will be in the 2012 draft.

NBAdraft.net has him going #17 in 2012.
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