Orlando vs. GSW

[ILOVEIT]

The commentator made a good comment..and that was that Jackson was risking slowing the game down and taking his team of of rythm by hacking Dwight...

Consider this as well...Warriors were fresh and the Magic had had a rough game last night....So essentially Jackson RESTED their team for them.

Umm...I"m going to side with....Jackson over thought this one...and frankly he is lookling more like STU Jackson than MARK Jackson each day.....

[Ganji]

Beans was doing decent against Howard for the most part, nobody was helping him and he still challenged some of Howards shots, also looks like MJ told him just to faul him if he get's a scoring chance. Think you should of save Beans, to play more against Howard and help him out, when Howard puts ball on the ground... And to be fair Howard did get some ridiculous fouls as well..

[old rem]

instead of hacking him y not just try to get him into foul trouble? makes more damn sence **** what a pathetic embarassing way to loose a game

Im sorry but Jackson has not turned me into a believer

Seems they really had no plan for Hack-A-Dwight. You don't foul out your bigs...let Tyler + McGwire give a foul. Have Monta shadow Dwight...then he's not putting the ball on the floor.
Several of the fouls...Dwight finished. What's the point then?

Too bad we didn't have Maggette to get Dwight in foul trouble......what ever happened to that guy?

[WTF_GSW]

No one could guard Howard and how the hell are we suppose to get Howard in foul trouble with no post player. Lee is good in the post against Fowards but won't work on Howard. Monta won't draw foul on Howard b/c Howard is long enought and jumps high enough that he don't have to jump into the driver.

[Ganji]

to be fair MJ is new at coaching, so hopefully he will not do dumb stuff like that again (to much)

and on bright side Klay and Jenkins started to make some shots finally so it's not all doom and gloom...

[killacalijatt]

A men to that Old Rem. Jeez I honestly cant picture wat the **** Mark was thinking. Atleast we get to keep our from the looks of it. Only the Warriors would hire a coach with no coaching experience of any sort and were not the MAvs were u can stick avery johnson and win 60+ games.

[killacalijatt]

Its funny becuase his career average is only 17ppg against us. We beat them before and which amazing C did we have then?

[TB]

lol there goes our national tv coverage next year. Our crowd never had a chance tonight.

[cellomac1212]

lol there goes our national tv coverage next year. Our crowd never had a chance tonight.

I didn't mind the crowd being out of it for most the game, but man, that last three minutes was just pathetic. I think we win if we create a hostile environment in them last three minutes, but instead the Magic probably thought they were at home. I don't care how slow the game was, our crowd needed to be a lot better than what it was. They did not represent being the best fans in basketball on national tv. Not once!

Dwight easy free throws, Von Wafer, easy three= game over.

[Sleepy51]

LOL ... we're up 13 playing regular ball and Mark Jackson decides to kill it.

Hack-a-_______ is some bull s

45 effing points. Was Dwight really going to score 75 tonight if we played him straight up, or even :gasp: considered Zone? or fronting him? Stupid efffin bush league strategy from a hack head coach. Coach Spirit Fingers can go f himself.

[Jester_]

That hack-a-___ was rather silly. Still, we kept up with Orlando for 4 quarters without 3 of our starters, i find it hard not to be happy with the result. On to the next one.

[Jester_]

LOL ... we're up 13 playing regular ball and Mark Jackson decides to kill it.

Hack-a-_______ is some bull s

45 effing points. Was Dwight really going to score 75 tonight if we played him straight up, or even :gasp: considered Zone? or fronting him? Stupid efffin bush league strategy from a hack head coach. Coach Spirit Fingers can go f himself.

Oh stop the hysterics. That same strategy worked wonders against DeAndre, at which point we were all for it. He's a new coach playing against Howard for the first time, cut him some slack.

[Sleepy51]

LOL ... we're up 13 playing regular ball and Mark Jackson decides to kill it.

Hack-a-_______ is some bull s

45 effing points. Was Dwight really going to score 75 tonight if we played him straight up, or even :gasp: considered Zone? or fronting him? Stupid efffin bush league strategy from a hack head coach. Coach Spirit Fingers can go f himself.

Oh stop the hysterics. That same strategy worked wonders against DeAndre, at which point we were all for it. He's a new coach playing against Howard for the first time, cut him some slack.

Speak for yourself. I have never been "all for" hack-a-anybody. I have been as vehemently and consistently anti-hack-a-tard as you will find on this board so I am on firm ground railing against this stupidity.

It is a dubious strategy that can sometimes pay off or can backfire, but either way it is taking the game out of your players hands, which I have NEVER been in favor of. It's one thing to do it for a few minutes to try to get the opposing coach to take his player off the floor. It is NOT a game long defensive strategy.

You know relatively quickly whether or not the strategy is working. If the player is hitting below 50% from the line, the opposing coach will take them out or they will live with a crippled offense. If the player is hitting 50% then it is survivable and you need to move on to another option. Dwight went 21 for 39 on the night. He's a Career 595% FT shooter. After he went 6-10 in the 2nd quarter when we started this stupidity it was already over. At that point, you put the hackey gimmick back in your stupid pocket and cut your losses.

Allowing the opponent to score 1 point per possession is the benchmark for bad defense. The Heat are the best offense in the league and only average 1.1points per possession. If the Hack-a-target is hitting 50% then the strategy is a clear tactical loss and should have been stopped.

We didn't try ANYTHING else on Dwight. We didn't try fronting and we didn't try zone. Before you just concede 1 point per possession to your opponent for half a game, a coach would try some actual semblance of an adaptive defensive strategy.

F Spirit Fingers in his slack.

[Amazing Curry]

Jackson probably had the mindset of having only 1 guy beat us rather than 4. The start of the 3rd quarter, Orlando started to get hot from outside. Imagine if that happened all game long because we were constantly doubling Dwight the moment he touches the ball. I'd say being up the majority of the game and almost winning the game despite being short-handed is an impressive feat already. Yeah there were some disadvantages to hack-a-Dwight, but it was a strategy Jackson had and he went with it. Warriors pretty much had to play mistake-free to beat ORL, and we made a few near the end. Tough break, move on to next game.

EDIT: I'm not a fan of the strat myself, lost count of the number of jumps I made to Sportscenter during the FT attempts.

[Sleepy51]

Look, Dwight is a poor FT shooter and if you get in his head on a bad night, sure, I can see the strategy paying enough dividends to limit Dwights minutes, or make him an offensive liability. But he was 50% from the line at the half. That's not an acceptable outcome to continue the strategy.

Why didn't we try fronting? Why didn't we zone up? We just bent over and took it from both ends because Spirit Fingers is an amateur and didn't understand what was happening on the floor. He thought hack-a was keeping us in the game. It was keeping Orlando in the game and keeping Dwight on pace for 45 points at an extremely low energy level.

Do you think Dwight plays better defensive and rebounding minutes if he has to work to score or walking to the FT line?

[WTF_GSW]

without Hack-a-Howard the score would had been much worst. We didnt execute at the end of the game and that is why we lost.


Just think of it this way, Howard was going to score on us anyways there was no stopping him so might as well let him try to do it from the freethrow line. Playing him straight up would had resulting him dunking on Lee and Udoh anyways and the potential of getting a 3 point play. When we double him, the rest of the Magics were killing us. The 3 from Von Wafer was the dagger that killed us. We were pretty much in the game, so to say the strategy didnt work is wrong.

[Sleepy51]

without Hack-a-Howard the score would had been much worst. We didnt execute at the end of the game and that is why we lost.

1 point per possession is already bad. They have to get him the ball in position in order for it to be a high % score. Just because he was bigger than the guys we had left on the court doesn't mean you concede every entry pass or allow him to catch the ball unmolested.

This was a slow surrender that's all it was. And it was pitiful.

[WTF_GSW]

without Hack-a-Howard the score would had been much worst. We didnt execute at the end of the game and that is why we lost.

1 point per possession is already bad. They have to get him the ball in position in order for it to be a high % score. Just because he was bigger than the guys we had left on the court doesn't mean you concede every entry pass or allow him to catch the ball unmolested.

This was a slow surrender that's all it was. And it was pitiful.

did u see how easy it was for him to back down Udoh and Lee? It was like 5 years old guarding a 13year old. We need a big body and we didnt have one. Double teaming and dropping down someone to contest the the entry pass resulted on open shots for other Magic players. We didn't have a chance once the Magic got going, so yes Hack-a-Howard kept us in the game.

[Sleepy51]

without Hack-a-Howard the score would had been much worst. We didnt execute at the end of the game and that is why we lost.

1 point per possession is already bad. They have to get him the ball in position in order for it to be a high % score. Just because he was bigger than the guys we had left on the court doesn't mean you concede every entry pass or allow him to catch the ball unmolested.

This was a slow surrender that's all it was. And it was pitiful.

did u see how easy it was for him to back down Udoh and Lee? It was like 5 years old guarding a 13year old. We need a big body and we didnt have one. Double teaming and dropping down someone to contest the the entry pass resulted on open shots for other Magic players. We didn't have a chance once the Magic got going, so yes Hack-a-Howard kept us in the game.

NBA games are games of streaks and runs. If shooters are hot from the outside in one quarter, you adjust how you rotate and close out and they will cool off in another quarter. Lee failing to identify Anderson was the big problem on the perimeter in the 1st half. It was not systemic, it was one dude losing track of HIS shooter. That's a simple communication fix for a coach who is paying attention.

NBA teams have been doubling down on post threats for the 40 years I've been watching basketball and still rotating to cover and contest shooters. If this team is not prepared to execute a post double team while maintaining a cohesive perimeter defensive concept, and supposedly defense is ALL we've been working on then these guys are failing as NBA coaches.

There MUST be a plan B in the playbook to fouling a career 60% FT shooter and praying that he's going to shoot 40% that night. And frankly, Hack-a-Howard kept DWIGHT in the game. He didn't have to use ANY energy to score. He could have played 116 minutes at that pace.

We would have been better off just deciding the game by coin toss.

[TaylorMonkey]

Couldn't catch most of the game, but as I understand it, we started hacking Dwight while we were up. Now I get why you might hack-a-Jordan when you're down to kill their momentum and you're in his head, but giving the opposing team an easy team-wide 50% shooting percentage, killing our opportunities for fast breaks, and being stuck in a half court set every possession when you're winning seems like a less than stellar strategy.