Who would you trade Love for?

B Calrissian · Post #1 » by **B Calrissian** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:35 pm

Some of us don't want to pay Love the max, some are okay with the max but not for 5 years, others just plain dislike Love.
This thread is not to discuss how much money Love is worth or what type of player he is. There are other threads for that so please keep the comments focused on the following two questions:

Who are some specific players (not just "a young SG") you would target?
What are your ideas for getting your target (assuming it's not a straight up trade)?

I'll start with Noah as a player I would target.

An ideal trade to acquire him -

Wolves -
Love, Beasley, Randolph, Darko, Ridnour, Utah 1st for Noah, Nash, Morris

Bulls -
Noah for Gortat, Beasley

Suns -
Nash, Gortat, Morris for Love, Randolph, Darko, Ridnour, Utah 1st

Our core would be Rubio, Williams, Morris*, and Noah. This season we could continue our 3 pg rotation at the guards while upgrading Ridnour to Nash. Nash would be a great mentor to Rubio and would help us get a lot more wins. In the off season we buy out Webster and Miller for more cap space. After a good season and having a great young core+great coach we suddenly wouldn't look so bad as a free agent destination. Especially if we can resign Nash for a decent price.
*If my trade is homerish AR and Morris could be taken out and/or the Mem 1st added.

Swimmer · Post #2 » by **Swimmer** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:42 pm

Wow, we get robbed in your trade.

B Calrissian · Post #3 » by **B Calrissian** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:50 pm

Swimmer wrote:Wow, we get robbed in your trade.

How so? We get a top 5 center, a HOF pg/leader that still averages a double double, and Morris who is worth more than any player we sent out aside from Love.

More importantly - your target is..?

pumunga · Post #4 » by **pumunga** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:53 pm

B Calrissian wrote:Who are some specific players (not just "a young SG") you would target?

i dont think i would trade Love for anybody, just try to get him to stay.

B Calrissian wrote: This season we could continue our 3 pg rotation at the guards while upgrading Ridnour to Nash.

i dont think nash could ever play the 2.

moss_is_1 · Post #5 » by **moss_is_1** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:54 pm

I don't like that trade either. Noah is good, but he's a player that I'd want to put by Love as he can't do much for offense.

Paul George and Hibbert would be something pretty interesting. We'd have to work a 3rd team in so that Indiana could flip West for a center most likely though.

B Calrissian · Post #6 » by **B Calrissian** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:03 pm

pumunga wrote:
B Calrissian wrote:Who are some specific players (not just "a young SG") you would target?

i dont think i would trade Love for anybody, just try to get him to stay.

Then why are you posting in this thread? It's obviously implied that you would want to trade Love to have a target.. If you don't want to or wouldn't even consider trading Love this thread has nothing to do with you.

pumunga wrote:
B Calrissian wrote: This season we could continue our 3 pg rotation at the guards while upgrading Ridnour to Nash.

i dont think nash could ever play the 2.

Neither should Ridnour.. Rubio would obviously be covering the SG with Nash on the court.

^This response is not what this thread is about at all.

moss_is_1 wrote:I don't like that trade either. Noah is good, but he's a player that I'd want to put by Love as he can't do much for offense.

Paul George and Hibbert would be something pretty interesting. We'd have to work a 3rd team in so that Indiana could flip West for a center most likely though.

This is the type of response I want. It will lead to discussion on who the 3rd team might be or ideas about what other players could be involved to maximize our return. Thank you for reading the original post.

Esohny · Post #7 » by **Esohny** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:14 pm

Like many of the kids today, I'd be pretty tempted to trade sweet, sweet, love for money. Times are tough, you know.

Krapinsky · Post #8 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:15 pm

I'd consider trading him to Washington, New Jersey, or Detroit for a top 3 pick and cap space if the alternative option was to designate Love as our 5 year max player.

Tirion · Post #9 » by **Tirion** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:17 pm

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pumunga · Post #10 » by **pumunga** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:18 pm

you were talking about how some dont want to pay him, some do but not the max, others dislike him etc, im just voicing my opinion that i want him to stay.

Post #11 » by **The J Rocka** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:18 pm

Derrick Favors + Burks + future first or take off protections on current pick.

Tirion · Post #12 » by **Tirion** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:20 pm

Seriously though, the only trade I'd do is Harden+Ibaka.

Swimmer · Post #13 » by **Swimmer** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:21 pm

I guess so.. but on the other hand, we would be trading for a guy who is averaging 7 points, 7 boards and a career low FG% who can't really create/play offense, a PG is his upper 30s who is unlikely to stay, and a decent young prospect who barely made the lottery pick cutoff.

In terms of value, I'd trade Love for anyone above him on this list, and not for anyone below: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1152329 (exclude Wade from above, as well). In terms of players to target, maybe Gordon, George, Granger, Bogut, but I dunno if I'm willing to part with Love in a package for those guys.

Krapinsky · Post #14 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:21 pm

I think signing Adelman to a 4 year $20M contract, or whatever it was, pretty much closes any possibility of Love being traded. I can't see that happening, for better or for worse.

Krapinsky · Post #15 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:24 pm

Swimmer wrote:I guess so.. but on the other hand, we would be trading for a guy who is averaging 7 points, 7 boards and a career low FG% who can't really create/play offense, a PG is his upper 30s who is unlikely to stay, and a decent young prospect who barely made the lottery pick cutoff.

In terms of value, I'd trade Love for anyone above him on this list, and not for anyone below: http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1152329 (exclude Wade from above, as well). In terms of players to target, maybe Gordon, George, Granger, Bogut, but I dunno if I'm willing to part with Love in a package for those guys.

8!!! That's nuts. Love is now the most overrated player on real gm IMO.

B Calrissian · Post #16 » by **B Calrissian** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:32 pm

pumunga wrote:you were talking about how some dont want to pay him, some do but not the max, others dislike him etc, im just voicing my opinion that i want him to stay.

And I said there are other threads to discuss those things in. I even had a please thrown in there for F's sake.

Esohny wrote:Like many of the kids today, I'd be pretty tempted to trade sweet, sweet, love for money. Times are tough, you know.

Oh I know.

Krapinsky wrote:I'd consider trading him to Washington, New Jersey, or Detroit for a top 3 pick and cap space if the alternative option was to designate Love as our 5 year max player.

Assuming this would happen at the deadline I would think adding Love to those teams would most likely drop them out of the race for a top 3 pick. Ok maybe not Washington but Pistons with a Love/Monroe frontcourt would be decent and so would the Nets with Williams, Love, and eventually Lopez together.

The J Rocka wrote:Derrick Favors + Burks + future first

They would have to trade Milsap to make room for Love but that seems like great value for us. It'd be nice if we could we get them to lower the restrictions on the pick we already own so we could get it this year. *I see you added that while I was typing.

Krapinsky · Post #17 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:39 pm

B Calrissian wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:I'd consider trading him to Washington, New Jersey, or Detroit for a top 3 pick and cap space if the alternative option was to designate Love as our 5 year max player.

Assuming this would happen at the deadline I would think adding Love to those teams would most likely drop them out of the race for a top 3 pick. Ok maybe not Washington but Pistons with a Love/Monroe frontcourt would be decent and so would the Nets with Williams, Love, and eventually Lopez together.

No, after the lottery. Pick would have to be guaranteed top 3.

LOBO 7 · Post #18 » by **LOBO 7** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:39 pm

Tirion wrote:Seriously though, the only trade I'd do is Harden+Ibaka.

Before last season (before Love "blew up") I advocated for this trade, and I would still have to consider it. This would be one of the very few Love trades I would consider.

B Calrissian · Post #19 » by **B Calrissian** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:44 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
B Calrissian wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:I'd consider trading him to Washington, New Jersey, or Detroit for a top 3 pick and cap space if the alternative option was to designate Love as our 5 year max player.

Assuming this would happen at the deadline I would think adding Love to those teams would most likely drop them out of the race for a top 3 pick. Ok maybe not Washington but Pistons with a Love/Monroe frontcourt would be decent and so would the Nets with Williams, Love, and eventually Lopez together.

No, after the lottery. Pick would have to be guaranteed top 3.

Would we resign him then trade him? I guess my question should be can we trade him after the season but before the draft? I thought that was kind of a limbo period but maybe him being a rfa changes that.

B Calrissian · Post #20 » by **B Calrissian** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:45 pm

LOBO 7 wrote:
Tirion wrote:Seriously though, the only trade I'd do is Harden+Ibaka.

Before last season (before Love "blew up") I advocated for this trade, and I would still have to consider it. This would be one of the very few Love trades I would consider.

Yeah it's kind of funny that both he and Harden have exceeded expectations in that time so it is still a valid idea. It doesn't seem like that would happen often.