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Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

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Who do you want the Raptors to draft in the 2012 NBA Draft?

Anthony Davis
30
16%
Harrison Barnes
52
27%
Andre Drummond
20
10%
Perry Jones
9
5%
Quincy Miller
6
3%
Jeremy Lamb
17
9%
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
50
26%
Jared Sullinger
2
1%
Austin Rivers
4
2%
Other
3
2%
 
Total votes: 193

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#1241 » by Undefeated » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:55 am

fredericklove wrote:Nah, Qmiller actually had more chances than PJ3 cos PJ3 is primarily restricted to play in the paint where Qmiller had so many opportunities out on the 3 point line, but whenever he tries to dribble he'll often showcast his signature 'carrying' and gets called for that everytime, or he'll just so often does his spin move which is so predictable...the only time I see him showcast his ball handling ability is when he's on the transition finding open guys, other than that he can't do jack when he's iso going one on one. I only seen him blew by one time str8 to the bucket thats it, but most of the baylor games I've seen, he rarely had any ability that could help him blow by people. His first step is really really terrible.


Despite Scott Drew's unstructured offense/"freedom", he still emphasizes heavily on sharing the basketball and feeding the ball inside to the bigs for high-percentage shots like most college games with the 4-out, 1-in motion offense. Because of this it's seldom for Quincy Miller to fully showcase his ball handling and break down abilities. Some of the things he does on the hardwood based on high school footage is easily translatable. I mean, if you don't think Quincy Miller has more to show then I don't know what else to say. He's got that slick double-crossover that he's not even using, so what's up? Much like Harrison Barnes, he's stuck in a situation where he cannot fully utilize his skills.
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Post#1242 » by Marlo Stanfield » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:18 am

People jumped on John Calipari for saying that he prepares his guys for the NBA before anything else but he was smart for saying it. Top recruits love to commit to Kentucky because they know they'll be utilized in a way that puts them in the best position to succeed. Scott Drew got lucky with a couple big recruits but it's obvious he has no clue how to raise their draft stock. I have no doubt in my mind that if Perry Jones or Quincy Miller had chosen Kentucky they would both be one-and-done top-5 NBA draft picks.
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Post#1243 » by Myth111 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:30 am

Teague and Jones stock has gone down while at Kentucky. Wiljter has no stock to speak of anymore. You are giving Cal way too much credit. Gilchrist was the consensus #1 player in his class before Davis blew up.
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Post#1244 » by Fenris-77 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:31 am

I can envision a lot of scenarios where the Raps could add a late round first for next year. That would position them to realistically take a poke at some of the PG prospects I actually like. Specifically, I'd like to see the Raps maybe take a poke at Damian Lillard if they get a bottom third pick next year. I know everyone is going to be agitating for a Kabongo pick in that case, but Lillard has the skill set I want for the Raps. Great scoring, solid defense, solid physical tools. There's not a lot not to like except a week-ish set of opponents and a small hiccup against some better teams. Most importantly he's shooting lights out from everywhere too, and the Raps could use that from a guy who also has a high-end ability to get to the line.
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Post#1245 » by Marlo Stanfield » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:34 am

Myth111 wrote:Teague and Jones stock has gone down while at Kentucky. Wiljter has no stock to speak of anymore. You are giving Cal way too much credit. Gilchrist was the consensus #1 player in his class before Davis blew up.


Teague, Jones and Wiljter are not special players. They're NBA role players at best.
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Post#1246 » by Myth111 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:36 am

Exactly. Why has Coach Cal not been able to coach them up if he is so good? Davis and Gilchrist would be studs at almost any school.
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Post#1247 » by Marlo Stanfield » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:38 am

Myth111 wrote:Exactly. Why has Coach Cal not been able to coach them up if he is so good? Davis and Gilchrist would be studs at almost any school.


Do you want him to make them something they're not? :roll: Keep things in perspective.
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Post#1248 » by Saciid11 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:40 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:I made this post in the draft forum

What I think the GM consensus big board will be by draft day:

1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard

4. PF Thomas Robinson
5. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
6. SF Harrison Barnes
7. C John Henson
8. SG Jeremy Lamb
9. SF/PF Perry Jones III
10. PF Jared Sullinger

11. SG Bradley Beal
12. PG Kendall Marshall
13. PF/C Tyler Zeller
14. SG Terrence Ross

Team personalized big boards. I believe Ford when he says most teams use the split into tiers, then draft for need within those tiers strategy. Therefore:

Washington:
1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. PF Thomas Robinson
5. PF Jared Sullinger
6. PF Perry Jones III
7. SG Jeremy Lamb
8. PF/C John Henson
9. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
10. SF Harrison Barnes

Assumes Washington is looking for a post Blatche PF first and SG not far behind. Henson is weak fit with McGee. Future SF is Vesely still so not a ton of interest in MKG or Barnes unless considered clear BPA

Toronto:
1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5. SF Harrison Barnes
6. SG/SF Jeremy Lamb
7. PF Perry Jones III
8. PF Jared Sullinger
9. PF Thomas Robinson
10. PF/C John Henson

SF is biggest need, PF/C is smallest.

Sacramento:
1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. PF Thomas Robinson
5. PF/C John Henson
6. SF Harrison Barnes
7. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
8. SG Jeremy Lamb
9. PF/C Perry Jones III
10. PF Jared Sullinger

Sac could use a defense and rebounding dirty work PF, followed by SF, SG and a defenseless big last.

New Jersey Nets
1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5. SF Harrison Barnes
6. PF Thomas Robinson
7. PF/C John Henson
8. SF/PF Perry Jones III
9. SG Jeremy Lamb
10. PF Jared Sullinger

The Nets would love to pick up one of those SFs. A young defensively significant big man is the next best option.

New Orleans Hornets

1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5. SF Harrison Barnes
6. PF/C Thomas Robinson
7. PF/C John Henson
8. SF/PF Perry Jones III
9. PF Jared Sullinger
10. SG Jeremy Lamb

The two SFs are high on my Hornets list because of the liklihood of a handful of good and roughly equal PF/C prospects being available with their second pick. Thus a smart move is drafting one of the SFs with the higher pick. If one of their picks is top 3 then again, they take SF ahead of the other tier 2 bigs

Detroit Pistons
1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. PF Thomas Robinson
5. PF/C John Henson
6. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
7. SF Harrison Barnes
8. PF Jared Sullinger
9. SG Jeremy Lamb
9. PF Jared Sullinger
10. SF/PF Perry Jones III

The Pistons would love a Robinson or Henson to be the defensive big beside Monroe. The SFs, Lamb, Sullinger are also solid fits. The Pistons will likely not have to worry about fit being a problem with this draft pick.

Charlotte Bobcats

1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. SF Harrison Barnes
5. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
6. PF Thomas Robinson
7. PF Jared Sullinger
8. SF/PF Perry Jones III
9. SG Jeremy Lamb
10. PF/C John Henson

The Bobcats are another team where fit is likely to not be a problem with lots of SFs and PFs to choose from. They likely look for the perimeter go to guy and big name college players they love in Barnes or MKG first before the PFs and Henson is the weak fit of the 10 with Biyombo there.

I would say MKG or Barnes between 4 and 6 is the most likely scenario.



Meyey Leonard and Thomas Robinson ahead of Barnes harrison, Lamb, Micheal Gilchrist, sullinger, etc ..??? wow
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Post#1249 » by Rapsfan07 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:43 am

^^ I'm sure a GM will make that mistake
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#1250 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:46 am

Salted Meat wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
Salted Meat wrote:Hey, I've heard Meyers Leonard is pretty good... anyone know anything about him... ?


lol you have to ask this question when a guy above wrote a long essay about him? Just another athletic big man with decent offense. What I know is he could be at the bottom end of the lottery but has absolutely no chance of cracking the top end. Whoever has him outside of the lottery could end up having a steal but I wont take him top 10 for sure though.


I appreciate your analysis, but I'm looking for a little bit more... i don't wanna say "deeper" just.. maybe wordier? More long-winded, perhaps? Basically, I'm looking for something about Meyers Leonard that is just obscenely long but doesn't offer any real observable insight or has any credibility.

Where could I possibly find... just... a lot of borderline-excessive praise about Meyers Leonard?

Maybe he has a website...


If you don't want to read long winded analytical drivel and opinions, particularly about draft prospects... you're in the wrong thread, in the wrong forum, in the wrong year, bud.

(and Leonard's presence here has been so ghostly that one or two paragraphs still put him behind where he should be)
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#1251 » by fredericklove » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:30 am

Salted Meat wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
Salted Meat wrote:Hey, I've heard Meyers Leonard is pretty good... anyone know anything about him... ?


lol you have to ask this question when a guy above wrote a long essay about him? Just another athletic big man with decent offense. What I know is he could be at the bottom end of the lottery but has absolutely no chance of cracking the top end. Whoever has him outside of the lottery could end up having a steal but I wont take him top 10 for sure though.


I appreciate your analysis, but I'm looking for a little bit more... i don't wanna say "deeper" just.. maybe wordier? More long-winded, perhaps? Basically, I'm looking for something about Meyers Leonard that is just obscenely long but doesn't offer any real observable insight or has any credibility.

Where could I possibly find... just... a lot of borderline-excessive praise about Meyers Leonard?

Maybe he has a website...


Ah I see. Then I cant help you. Theres just not enough valuable analysis of Leonard to prove hes legit top option in the draft nor has there been any valuable insight given from any posters about Leonard either.
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Post#1252 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:57 am

we need a wing player in the worst way.
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Post#1253 » by JamesNaismith » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:58 am

Sorry but Leaonard will not go in the top 3.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#1254 » by KL78192020 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:09 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:we need a wing player in the worst way.


We needed a C in the worst way, and we ended up with Hoffa. Not saying the wings in this draft are Hoffa bad. But we need to draft the BPA.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#1255 » by fredericklove » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:35 am

ozzykhan16 wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:we need a wing player in the worst way.


We needed a C in the worst way, and we ended up with Hoffa. Not saying the wings in this draft are Hoffa bad. But we need to draft the BPA.


If we miss out on the top 3 picks, Lamb being chosen 3rd then I guess one of those wings will be our BPA 8-)
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Post#1256 » by Rapsfan07 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:23 am

Gotta be Quincy Miller. Can handle the ball, shoot it and slash inside and we need an SF. I can't see a clearer fit than him on the board. I think MKG's draft position will surprise a lot of people. I don't think he goes in the Top 7.

Anyways, the only way I won't take Quincy is if Drummond or Davis is on the board.
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Post#1257 » by ballislife » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:30 am

Looks like we're destined for the bottom. I'm still routing for A. Davis. He's going to be a stud in the NBA for years to come... especially after he gets some muscle on that new body he found. Take him #1... trade Bargs for another pick and get a stud SF out of this draft. I think Davis may surprise some people and be able to play that SF position... but he'll be dominant as a PF.
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Post#1258 » by JamesNaismith » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:50 am

ballislife wrote:Looks like we're destined for the bottom.


Why do people keep saying this?

We're ahead of CHA, WAS, DET, MIN, NJ, GS and NO.

I want it to be true but I'm not so sure we'll be in the bottom 3 again.
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Post#1259 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:51 am

JamesNaismith wrote:
ballislife wrote:Looks like we're destined for the bottom.


Why do people keep saying this?

We're ahead of CHA, WAS, DET, MIN, NJ, GS and NO.

I want it to be true but I'm not so sure we'll be in the bottom 3 again.


If Bargs is out for a couple of weeks, we will be bottom 3.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3 

Post#1260 » by gerrit4 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:49 am

I think this mega road trip coming up will kill any hope of a non-terrible record. The schedule (along with the fact that they're a bad team) has not been kind - they've had to play the weaker teams (like Washington etc) on back to backs, and back to back to backs. Those would normally be the games that bump the raptors up the standings later on.

Sure, the raps are 4-8 (somehow still overperforming expectations) and they've yet to play any of the really good teams (I.E. the guaranteed losses against Miami, Chicago, OKC, L.A.s, Boston etc).

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