Was Wolves trade a bad career turn for Beasley?

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:37 pm

I think it was. Well, if Loves was not here it could have been good. But with Love here Beasley was forced to change his game and position to fit next to Love and it stalled his development.

They spent 2 years in Miami devoping his as a PF, he bulked up before his second season, he was learning defense there as more of a post defender. Basically he always was a PF, he lacked size but he could continue to add muscle and strength and his quickness and ballhandling would make him a tough matchup in this league.

As a SF Beasley has size advantage but this is it. He's not good at utilizing it. The rest of his skillset makes him look too slow and mechanical when facing quicker perimeter opponents.

To sum it up, Love was a bad influence on Beasley's career and has cost him a lot of money on his next contract

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Foye · Post #2 » by **Foye** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:07 pm

If anything his injuries were a bad career turn for Beasley. Definitely not Love.

[RCG] · Post #3 » by **[RCG]** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:32 pm

Beasley is fine at SF. Its injuries.

Saltine · Post #4 » by **Saltine** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:20 pm

His damn ankles are his issue, and weed...

Devilzsidewalk · Post #5 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:47 pm

he has zero post game other than a face up drive left and a turnaround jumper, I don't think PF is the answer at his size. SF is where he needs to be, but that average first-step really hinders what he can do offensively and even at SF when he has a size advantage, he doesnt really take advantage w/ his back to the basket. Right now the best looks for him are quick look stuff off screens in the midrange. From the arc it seems he rarely ends up with an open J or solid drive, just too much space to travel and he doesn't show quickness to get an open shot before the defense adjusts. Lots of longs twos or drives into the teeth of the defense.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #6 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:52 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:he has zero post game other than a face up drive left and a turnaround jumper, I don't think PF is the answer at his size. SF is where he needs to be, but that average first-step really hinders what he can do offensively and even at SF when he has a size advantage, he doesnt really take advantage w/ his back to the basket. Right now the best looks for him are quick look stuff off screens in the midrange. From the arc it seems he rarely ends up with an open J or solid drive, just too much space to travel and he doesn't show quickness to get an open shot before the defense adjusts. Lots of longs twos or drives into the teeth of the defense.

He could get to the rim much more if he faced PFs. He doesnt need post moves against PFs because he can blow by most of them.

wilt · Post #7 » by **wilt** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:25 pm

being Beasley has been a bad career turn for Beasley. I´m sorry, but a guy as talented as him should be able to make it work, he just doesn´t seem all that interested to adjust to the players next to him.

Steve_Holiday · Post #8 » by **Steve_Holiday** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:59 pm

Beasley was "being developed" as a PF in Miami, and many thought that was one of the reasons he wasn't lighting the league on fire. The questions about Beasley's true position existed before David Kahn slid him in next to Love.

I don't see a fundamental reason why he can't succeed on this team predominantly at the 3. From what I see, he appears to have the size, and adequate quickness for it. The main things holding him back - setting aside the "volume scorer" criticisms - are really mental lapses: stupid fouls and turnovers, missed free throws in the clutch, and occasional issues on defense.

As others have said, injuries haven't helped either.

Narf · Post #9 » by **Narf** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:38 pm

While I didn't pay much attention to him at Miami, I think it's relevant that this is the first year I've actually seen Beasley develop his game. Even though he looks bad out there, the hustle on defense (and actually rotate), look to pass first instead of shoot first (then make a bad pass), and all around willingness to play outside of his comfort zone has been a positive sign for me. I think people are far too unforgiving with the kid who is clearly trying to change his game to be more team oriented for the first time in, well, probably his adult life.

In Adelman we trust.

Swish4 · Post #10 » by **Swish4** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:54 pm

He's an ISO palyer. His game should work equally well anywhere that lets him iso.

Narf · Post #11 » by **Narf** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:56 pm

WesJ4 wrote:He's an ISO palyer. His game should work equally well anywhere that lets him iso.

Adelman was talking about taking him off the bench as a 6th man. IMHO that adds value to him, as his ISO will actually be a benefit with 2 or 3 crappy bench players who can't create.

yowyOw · Post #12 » by **yowyOw** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:30 pm

Beasley's ceiling is to become the best 6th man in the league. He can't be any better.

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Flash4thewin · Post #13 » by **Flash4thewin** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:53 pm

Narf wrote:
WesJ4 wrote:He's an ISO palyer. His game should work equally well anywhere that lets him iso.

Adelman was talking about taking him off the bench as a 6th man. IMHO that adds value to him, as his ISO will actually be a benefit with 2 or 3 crappy bench players who can't create.

Luke, Johnson and Darko are starters so ......

The main thing holding him back has been injuries this year.

mchalupnik2 · Post #14 » by **mchalupnik2** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:17 pm

some of you guys are on the right track regarding beasly's mediocrity...

here's the truth in a nutshell...

the guy is too engulfed in marijuana...he has a bad attitude, and is too into himself. Beasly is a SF and not a PF. The guy is just too deep into smoking weed right now to be a productive teammate...he might be pretty damn good in a year or two...but he needs to lay off his meds, and needs to find a good psychiatrist to figure out what his real problem is.

i'm most certainly willing to keep the guy...he just needs to help himself....which is worth the risk.

anything we can get for the guy is not worth the risk of him being as good as he should be.

his bad attitude is a cancer right now in my opinion, as of today...

clean it up today, and i can wait...

Yes We Kahn · Post #15 » by **Yes We Kahn** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:43 pm

^^ a lot of misguided anger in that post.

Because he got caught with pot in his car he's "engulfed in marijuana?" On top of that, you are trying to play psychiatrist, which I am certain you are unqualified. Then you claim he is a cancer, but there has been no evidence of that in his 1.2 years here. In fact, the opposite has been shown and he actually appears to have a good attitude.

mchalupnik2 · Post #16 » by **mchalupnik2** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:50 pm

Yes We Kahn wrote:^^ a lot of misguided anger in that post.

Because he got caught with pot in his car he's "engulfed in marijuana?" On top of that, you are trying to play psychiatrist, which I am certain you are unqualified. Then you claim he is a cancer, but there has been no evidence of that in his 1.2 years here. In fact, the opposite has been shown and he actually appears to have a good attitude.

a good attitude? seems kind of disinterested imo..

Yes We Kahn · Post #17 » by **Yes We Kahn** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:00 am

mchalupnik2 wrote:
Yes We Kahn wrote:^^ a lot of misguided anger in that post.

Because he got caught with pot in his car he's "engulfed in marijuana?" On top of that, you are trying to play psychiatrist, which I am certain you are unqualified. Then you claim he is a cancer, but there has been no evidence of that in his 1.2 years here. In fact, the opposite has been shown and he actually appears to have a good attitude.

a good attitude? seems kind of disinterested imo..

Way to edit that post before people ripped you apart for writing something so irrelevant.

Just because a guy talks softly doesn't mean he is disinterested. From what I have seen in interviews, he enjoys being around his teammates, enjoys being in Minnesota, and has the desire to improve. I think right now, he is struggling with being asked to share the ball more (you see him forcing passes) as well as with his confidence. His shot just isn't falling. He has shown signs of coachability, increasing his defensive effort and trying to pass more (albeit not very successfully so far.

Den Masters · Post #18 » by **Den Masters** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:05 am

mchalupnik2 wrote:some of you guys are on the right track regarding beasly's mediocrity...

here's the truth in a nutshell...

the guy is too engulfed in marijuana...he has a bad attitude, and is too into himself. Beasly is a SF and not a PF. The guy is just too deep into smoking weed right now to be a productive teammate...he might be pretty damn good in a year or two...but he needs to lay off his meds, and needs to find a good psychiatrist to figure out what his real problem is.

i'm most certainly willing to keep the guy...he just needs to help himself....which is worth the risk.

anything we can get for the guy is not worth the risk of him being as good as he should be.

his bad attitude is a cancer right now in my opinion, as of today...

clean it up today, and i can wait...

wow, so many wrong in this post.

cool story bro.

Sundog · Post #19 » by **Sundog** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:19 am

mchalupnik2 wrote:some of you guys are on the right track regarding beasly's mediocrity...

here's the truth in a nutshell...

the guy is too engulfed in marijuana...he has a bad attitude, and is too into himself. Beasly is a SF and not a PF. The guy is just too deep into smoking weed right now to be a productive teammate...he might be pretty damn good in a year or two...but he needs to lay off his meds, and needs to find a good psychiatrist to figure out what his real problem is.

i'm most certainly willing to keep the guy...he just needs to help himself....which is worth the risk.

anything we can get for the guy is not worth the risk of him being as good as he should be.

his bad attitude is a cancer right now in my opinion, as of today...

clean it up today, and i can wait...

I'm going to start skipping your posts. It doesn't appear that you know what you're talking about.

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #20 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:25 am

I wouldn't say him coming to the wolves was a bad thing. Actually improved his stock with the season he had last year. Showed team that he isn't a complete bust .Problem with Beasley is he loses his basketball focus too often. In his college days he was simply a monster. Didn't lose focus too often. When Beasley is focused you see why he was a top pick.