"Buy Low"-ish players

shrink · Post #1 » by **shrink** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:21 pm

Some players get off to poor starts, or are injured, or just don't fit a new direction for a team.

List good players that you think right now, could cost less than they did last year.

Granger - slow start. More playing time for Paul George.

Eric Gordon - injured, doesn't look happy to be there.

Westbrook - untradable last year, playoffs question if he's the right PG in OKC.

Noah -- slow start. Being benched in the fourth for Asik.

who else?

Devilzsidewalk · Post #2 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:28 pm

Eric Gordon isn't a buy low player imo, there's no gain for the Hornets to take lesser players. Granger is too old. Westbrook I'm all for inserting him @ SG, though I see him in the same light as Evans - not a perfect fit w/ Rubio. Ideal SG is someone that can take advantage of open kickouts on the perimeter when rotations are slow an can beat his man when the defender is there. Kevin Martin can handle the kickouts, but can't create, Westbrook and Evans can create, but can't catch and shoot. Harden is the perfect fit, but the Wolves have no shot, even if Williams is on the table, that I'm sure of. On that note, if we're going to go after an imperfect fit, I think Kevin Martin is the best fit considering age/value - that's assuming we could get him w/o trading Williams, but Morey might not be ready to do something like that, but if picks/johnson/beasley/ridnour etc can get it done, thats my #1 choice. Westbrook/Evans are both going to be hard to get w/o sending Williams in the deal, and I'm not sure thats a better fit, Williams has shown he has a dagger 3. Trading that for a creator is filling one hole by creating another.

Krapinsky · Post #3 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:31 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:Eric Gordon isn't a buy low player imo, there's no gain for the Hornets to take lesser players. Granger is too old. Westbrook I'm all for inserting him @ SG, though I see him in the same light as Evans - not a perfect fit w/ Rubio. Ideal SG is someone that can take advantage of open kickouts on the perimeter when rotations are slow an can beat his man when the defender is there. Kevin Martin can handle the kickouts, but can't create, Westbrook and Evans can create, but can't catch and shoot. Harden is the perfect fit, but the Wolves have no shot, even if Williams is on the table, that I'm sure of. On that note, if we're going to go after an imperfect fit, I think Kevin Martin is the best fit considering age/value - that's assuming we could get him w/o trading Williams, but Morey might not be ready to do something like that, but if picks/johnson/beasley/ridnour etc can get it done, thats my #1 choice. Westbrook/Evans are both going to be hard to get w/o sending Williams in the deal, and I'm not sure thats a better fit, Williams has shown he has a dagger 3. Trading that for a creator is filling one hole by creating another.

i wonder if at some point Houston reverses it's philosophy and starts tanking. In that scenario I could see us landing Martin for Beasley or Wes and our picks. I'd really like a Martin/Batum combo on the wings. With Rubio's impressive defense thus far, Martin doesn't seem like such of a liability at that end any more.

moss_is_1 · Post #4 » by **moss_is_1** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:31 pm

Joe Johnson - Terrible contract, declining fast IMO. (wouldn't touch him, but he'd be cheap I bet)
Stephen Jackson - Playing pretty medicore, older, 1 year left after this year.
Kevin Martin - Looks like a different player with the new foul rules, overpaid, no defense.

Noah would be really cool...but I have no idea why Chicago would want to trade him....unless they can get a really good SG to put on their team. Noah/Love would be fantastic.

moss_is_1 · Post #5 » by **moss_is_1** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:33 pm

^ Batum would be amazing. He's one of my favorite players and he could flourish being more of key cog in an offense instead of just being a role player, playing D and standing in the corner. Get him on the break with Rubio and let him show off his skills.

Rubio-Batum-Beasley-Love-? Get Noah from Chicago, and get Martin from Houston...Using everything outisde of Rubio/Love.

Foye · Post #6 » by **Foye** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:34 pm

shrink wrote:Some players get off to poor starts, or are injured, or just don't fit a new direction for a team.

List good players that you think right now, could cost less than they did last year.

Granger - slow start. More playing time for Paul George.

Eric Gordon - injured, doesn't look happy to be there.

Westbrook - untradable last year, playoffs question if he's the right PG in OKC.

Noah -- slow start. Being benched in the fourth for Asik.

who else?

I don't think anyone of these guys will get traded except maybe Granger.

Batum might be but he's on a division rival.

shrink · Post #7 » by **shrink** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:37 pm

They may not get traded, but last year there would have been no chance. The question I asked was, "Who's price has dropped?"

Kevin Martin is another good person for the list. I'd also add:

Monta Ellis

maybe Tyreke Evans too.

Foye · Post #8 » by **Foye** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:40 pm

What's the point of mentioning that their price has dropped when realistically they won't get traded anyway?

I think we should explore more realistic options not the unrealistic ones.

shrink · Post #9 » by **shrink** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:45 pm

Maybe. I personally don't think any of these guys are untradable. It's interesting to me, as a MIN fan, if we slide in as a third team, if we don't have the assets outselves.

For example, I championed maneuvering in on a Chris Paul for Westbrook plus trade. We may not have the assets for Westbrook (at least, ones we'd give up), but I could see us being a part of a deal.

These are all names that I've seen being offered by the local hometown fans. That doesn't necessarily mean the front office feels the same way, but I don't think it's a topic we should avoid. I'd rather talk about talented players that may have lowered costs than ones that a team would have to overpay to get. Players like that are really the ones that are unlikely to get traded.

jpatrick · Post #10 » by **jpatrick** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:52 pm

Most of those guys are key cogs on playoff teams. I don't see any of them moving. I think Kevin Martin is the guy to watch. He doesn't do anything well but score but we desperately need a scorer on this team and Adelman had him two previous stops so he must like him.

I don't think his problems this year are as a result of the change in rules, although that might contribute, but more so he doesn't fit Mchales offense. When I watch them it's dump it down to the bigs or let Lowry go one on one, no motion or coming off picks. Maybe best for us, his value is tanking. He went from a key piece in a Gasol trade to someone who isn't worth his contract in alot of peoples eyes I think. If we could get him cheap, ie Wes or maybe Beas, we'd have to do it.

moss_is_1 · Post #11 » by **moss_is_1** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:03 pm

Jason Richardson or Redick? Redick is better, so probably wouldn't be traded....but J-rich is older, not playing great and not a terribly overpaid deal.

Guy986 · Post #12 » by **Guy986** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:16 pm

In the past as a rocket fan i wanted a very solid rebuilding piece for Kevin Martin or an allstar upgrade in a consolidating package.

Right now i'll ship him out for a pick in the 9-15 range + expiring.

He has the Rick Adelman connection, clearly knows his system, can shoot and play offball. He only has one year left on his deal after this year. I think there is a chance he end up in Minnesota somehow. Definitely a buy low candidate.

Houston out: Kevin Martiin
Houston in: 2012 pick in the 9-15th range + expiring

Minnesota out: young player "assets"(some combination of Beasley, Wes Johnson, Randolph, Ridnour)
Minnesota in: Kevin Martin

3rd team out: 2012 pick in the 9-15th range
3rd team in: Minnesota's "assets"

Is there a team out there that would send out a 2012 pick for Minnesota's assets? Because Houston is not really interested in Beasley or Wes Johnson or a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 trade.

moss_is_1 · Post #13 » by **moss_is_1** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:10 am

If the Jazz make the playoffs....we'll give you their pick for Martin. We'll have to add salary fillers tho.

the_bruce · Post #14 » by **the_bruce** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:50 am

Martin for Wes, Ridnour, Pek, and utah 1st

Swish4 · Post #15 » by **Swish4** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:32 pm

I see that the Blazers have lowballed Batum. It looks like Camby is starting to break down and they could use a big. Sounds like Batum is looking for around 5/40. It may behoove them to move him now.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #16 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:56 pm

WesJ4 wrote:I see that the Blazers have lowballed Batum. It looks like Camby is starting to break down and they could use a big. Sounds like Batum is looking for around 5/40. It may behoove them to move him now.

I'd offer them Wes and a pick for Batum and Babbit(salary filler).

I'd thow one more name: Josh Childress. This guy can play but he's not a consistant outside shooter and Suns prefer people who can shoot in their offense. But Childress is a very good perimeter defender and a good slasher. I'd like to add a guy like that. I think we can get him for our wost contracts easily. Let's say Pekovic plus Darko or Ridnour for Lopez and Childress.

Krapinsky · Post #17 » by **Krapinsky** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:15 pm

Childress is owed > $25M/3. I don't like that idea one bit.

Saltine · Post #18 » by **Saltine** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:10 pm

Childress has a horrible, horrible contract. Batum would be nice

mchalupnik2 · Post #19 » by **mchalupnik2** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:29 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:Eric Gordon isn't a buy low player imo, there's no gain for the Hornets to take lesser players. Granger is too old. Westbrook I'm all for inserting him @ SG, though I see him in the same light as Evans - not a perfect fit w/ Rubio. Ideal SG is someone that can take advantage of open kickouts on the perimeter when rotations are slow an can beat his man when the defender is there. Kevin Martin can handle the kickouts, but can't create, Westbrook and Evans can create, but can't catch and shoot. Harden is the perfect fit, but the Wolves have no shot, even if Williams is on the table, that I'm sure of. On that note, if we're going to go after an imperfect fit, I think Kevin Martin is the best fit considering age/value - that's assuming we could get him w/o trading Williams, but Morey might not be ready to do something like that, but if picks/johnson/beasley/ridnour etc can get it done, thats my #1 choice. Westbrook/Evans are both going to be hard to get w/o sending Williams in the deal, and I'm not sure thats a better fit, Williams has shown he has a dagger 3. Trading that for a creator is filling one hole by creating another.

i wonder if at some point Houston reverses it's philosophy and starts tanking. In that scenario I could see us landing Martin for Beasley or Wes and our picks. I'd really like a Martin/Batum combo on the wings. With Rubio's impressive defense thus far, Martin doesn't seem like such of a liability at that end any more.

anything out of this guy's mouth makes absolutely no sense to me. you must be one of those liberal democrats that is going to vote for Obama. you're obviously a beaurocrat that depends on hard working americans like myself to buy your overpriced cheeses and meats...long live free trade and capitalism.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #20 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:21 am

Saltine wrote:Childress has a horrible, horrible contract. Batum would be nice

See, you want Batum, but this guy wants to get paid. And if you trade for him then you will have to give him his contract and it's a given it will be more money than Childress got. But I don't see Batum as a much greater player than Childress or a guy like Ariza. Chidress is a very good defender and slashing wing and i thing you can find a role for him on a team like ours.