OK, I'll admit. I have Rubio envy

Clangus · Post #1 » by **Clangus** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:11 pm

Thanks to league pass free trial, I have gotten to see all 3 TWolves games. I gotta say 2 things.
1. They are where we were when we were losing all those close games. They dont know how to close close ones yet.
2. Rubio is a joy to watch. He had 5 turnovers in the last game, but all 5 you could see that the execution was only off slitghly and you could see what he was doing(no stupid dribbling off his foot or offensive fouls etc, just passes that were a fesw inches off). Im not sold on his shooting, but his passing is truly beautiful. I wish we had him. (I still Love RW and am Glad we drafted Harden)

come on guys join me on the Rubio wagon.

dream_catcher_9 · Post #2 » by **dream_catcher_9** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:45 pm

Rubio is special in the way he runs an offense. I also think he will be fine defensively. One of the more exciting players in the league.

Loudconcepts · Post #3 » by **Loudconcepts** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:17 pm

This Danny Ainge speaking
Rubio is the truth, last year the timberwolves offense was all over the place
They used Beasley how the Thunder uses durant and their offensive weapons went I'm sync

Now Rubio had that team playing in cohesion
THE POWER OF A TRUE PG
maybe one day the thunder offense can look smooth and be in sync from a point gaurd setting players up

Instead of looking like the 08 wizards with young Gilbert (RW) jacking shots instead of running the team

HeartSouloma · Post #4 » by **HeartSouloma** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:53 pm

Even if they have Rubio I still can't see them as a play off team. It would be funny with all that talent on their team, and can't even make it to the play offs. They need to bring in some vets to guide them to the play offs. K-love would pull a Lebron if they can't at least make it to the play offs. But other than that I'm very impress with the talent they have on their team

Post #5 » by **slick_watts** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:00 pm

Rubio is okay but I have Rick Adelman envy. Wolves are moving around, they seem more focused on the offensive end, constructive movement, etc. Westbrook is better than Rubio...

Loudconcepts · Post #6 » by **Loudconcepts** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:24 pm

Their offense has a pg not a combo that helps construct movement
Instead of Westbrook comes up court jacks a bad shot
Next possession pass to Durant get out the way

dream_catcher_9 · Post #7 » by **dream_catcher_9** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:38 pm

slick_watts wrote:Rubio is okay but I have Rick Adelman envy. Wolves are moving around, they seem more focused on the offensive end, constructive movement, etc. Westbrook is better than Rubio...

stop blaming the coaches all the time slick. If we had Rubio id bet a silver dollar that our ball movement and offense would run much smoother. Not saying he is better than Russ, just saying that Russ is a bad decision maker and a new coach wouldn't turn Russ into this great decision maker. It's all on him. I know he has that work ethic, now its time to show some improvement in that area.

Post #8 » by **slick_watts** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:44 pm

dream_catcher_9 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:Rubio is okay but I have Rick Adelman envy. Wolves are moving around, they seem more focused on the offensive end, constructive movement, etc. Westbrook is better than Rubio...

stop blaming the coaches all the time slick. If we had Rubio id bet a silver dollar that our ball movement and offense would run much smoother. Not saying he is better than Russ, just saying that Russ is a bad decision maker and a new coach wouldn't turn Russ into this great decision maker. It's all on him. I know he has that work ethic, now its time to show some improvement in that area.

Brooks is a crummy game planner, Rick Adelman is one of the better offensive coaches in the league (X's and O's especially). A new coach would not turn Russ into a different player but a coach like Adelman would definitely construct lineups and scenarios that work more towards Russ' strengths.

It's not only Russ either I am talking about, just the offense in general, lineups, etc.

fallacy · Post #9 » by **fallacy** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:38 pm

I'm more with Slick with this one. If I could have one thing from the wolves, it would be Adelman.

Rubio is less of a scoring threat than Sefolosha. Exaggerating a bit, but you get the point.

CKRT · Post #10 » by **CKRT** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:36 pm

I'd do absolutely shameful stuff to get Adelman in OKC.

Devilanche · Post #11 » by **Devilanche** » Sun Jan 1, 2012 3:50 am

Adelman is the best thing that Kahn did for Minnesota.

Loudconcepts · Post #12 » by **Loudconcepts** » Fri Jan 6, 2012 2:38 am

Devilanche wrote:Adelman is the best thing that Kahn did for Minnesota.

next to drafting the best PF in the league

Post #13 » by **sonictecture** » Fri Jan 6, 2012 4:05 pm

Kevin McHale drafted or traded for the rights to Kevin Love, not Kahn.

It's nice to see Rubio playing well, I would agree with those that believe that Adelman is a big key to Rubio's good start I can't imagine a better coach for Rubio. As a long time Ridnour supporter I wish Adelman had come into his career earlier.

wiff · Post #14 » by **wiff** » Sun Jan 8, 2012 3:13 am

My puter has been down for a while but I have had a chance to watch Rubio a handful of games.

The kid can pass. I will give him that.

He had a few really nice passes during the Miami game and he also got torched by Wade for an super easy bucket at the buzzer.

He simply lost Wade off of a screen and Wade practically had an uncontested layup at the buzzer for a game winner.

Rubio simply won't be able to play good enough "D" to be an elite PG plus the kid can't shoot a lick either.

I will piggy back on having a decent head coach envy.

Zeitgeister · Post #15 » by **Zeitgeister** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:52 pm

Rubio's defense shouldn't be scoffed at. He played very good defense against Derrick Rose for much of the game yesterday. Yes, Rose scored 31 points but half of those, or more came in the first quarter before Rubio got in the game. Plus Rose is the MVP, he's going to get his points. But Rubio had 5 steals and generally did a good job contesting jump shots.

Also, his scoring is inconsistent but shooting is one of the most correctable talents there is. I've seen Rubio get by his man and convert layups with either hand around heavy defense. He may regress, but right now his scoring has been pretty good.

BIG EDDIE · Post #16 » by **BIG EDDIE** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:43 pm

wiff wrote:My puter has been down for a while but I have had a chance to watch Rubio a handful of games.

Rubio simply won't be able to play good enough "D" to be an elite PG plus the kid can't shoot a lick either.

Wrong and wrong. Rubio is a great defender. If you dont think so, than you dont really know much about basketball on this level.
2nd, his shooting has been improved and he certainly can hit the open jumper, even from the 3.
So far he has taken 17 3s and hit 8 of them (47%).
From the field, he is 46% (Westbrook is 43%).
Plus he is 8th in the NBA in assists with 7.9 per game in just 29 minutes as a bench player. And those were just his first 10 games as an NBA player.

But the most important stat is his +- ratio. Have a look how the Wolves have performed with / without him on the floor:

With Rubio +3 / without him -14
With Rubio +1 / without him -11
With Rubio +29 / without him -8
With Rubio -5 / without him -6
With Rubio +2 / without him -6
With Rubio +1 / without him -11
With Rubio +14 / without him +3
With Rubio +9 / without him -11
With Rubio -1 / without him -2
With Rubio -1 / without him -3

In total its +52 with him on the floor and -69 without him

Rubio rocks! Seriously!

wiff · Post #17 » by **wiff** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:47 pm

I will admit that Rubio is shooting better than I thought he would. Somehow he has found a decent stroke from 3 that he hasn't had before. Maybe he can keep it up.

I already said the kid can pass but I still think his defense is lacking. Coming up with steals is different than being a good defender. Brent Barry use to be great at playing the passing lanes too but he had a hard time keeping his man in front of him.

And to call him a "great" defender just shows how much you don't know about hoops. See two can play this game if you want to get into a finger waving contest.

Rodman, GP, D Howard, Bill Russell, MJ those guys are "great" defenders. Would you really put Rubio in that category?

Zeitgeister · Post #18 » by **Zeitgeister** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:23 am

Rubio is a very good defender. You're basing these bad defender remarks on this popular assumption that because a guy gets steals he must gamble a ton on defense. Rubio hasn't been sacrificing position to get his steals. He has great anticipation and much longer arms than your average point guard. Rubio is a very good defender already.

Stolen Team Fan · Post #19 » by **Stolen Team Fan** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:59 am

slick_watts wrote:
dream_catcher_9 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:Rubio is okay but I have Rick Adelman envy. Wolves are moving around, they seem more focused on the offensive end, constructive movement, etc. Westbrook is better than Rubio...

stop blaming the coaches all the time slick. If we had Rubio id bet a silver dollar that our ball movement and offense would run much smoother. Not saying he is better than Russ, just saying that Russ is a bad decision maker and a new coach wouldn't turn Russ into this great decision maker. It's all on him. I know he has that work ethic, now its time to show some improvement in that area.

Brooks is a crummy game planner, Rick Adelman is one of the better offensive coaches in the league (X's and O's especially). A new coach would not turn Russ into a different player but a coach like Adelman would definitely construct lineups and scenarios that work more towards Russ' strengths.

It's not only Russ either I am talking about, just the offense in general, lineups, etc.

Adelman & Rubio for Westbrook & Brooks. Do it, Presti!

:biggrin:

Kobeoverrated · Post #20 » by **Kobeoverrated** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:56 am

9 8 7 6

almost a quadruple double. wowzerrz