MLB Offseason Signings & Trades

[crkone]

It will be completely subtitled though.

[trwi7]

I feel bad for Padres fans who have at least a couple of years of Josh Byrnes as their GM. Melvin also needs to take advantage of his ineptitude.

[Kerb Hohl]

Yeah, Hoyer/Theo used a sandpaper condom on that raping for Rizzo.

[trwi7]

I could maybe understand it if they planned on using Cashner as a starter but they're not. There is no reason to be trading top prospect position players for relievers, especially when you play half your games at Petco Park.

[WEFFPIM]

Not sure why the Padres wouldn't try Cashner as a starter. The Cubs wanted to but needed relievers.

Surprised that the Cubs got Rizzo for pretty much just Cashner though. I figured Garza would need to be apart of a deal like that.

[humanrefutation]

Yankees land Michael Pineda for Jesus Montero.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_ ... ource-says

The New York Yankees have traded top prospect Jesus Montero and right-handed pitcher Hector Noesi to the Seattle Mariners in exchange for phenom pitcher Michael Pineda and righty Jose Campos, a source told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark.

[trwi7]

We trade a top prospect position player for a starting pitcher with an injury history with two years of control.

Yankees trade a top prospect position player for a starting pitcher with five years of control.

[Relentless88]

Great deal for the Yankees. DH prospect for 5 years of Pineda? Wow.

[humanrefutation]

Yanks also went out and signed Kuroda to a 1/10 deal. Their rotation looks much better, now.

[BUCKnation]

Great deal for the Yankees. DH prospect for 5 years of Pineda? Wow.

yeah, dumb

[El Duderino]

We trade a top prospect position player for a starting pitcher with an injury history with two years of control.

Yankees trade a top prospect position player for a starting pitcher with five years of control.

I certainly understand the point you're making, but when Lawrie was traded, he hadn't had a breakout season yet. If my memory is correct, when Lawrie was traded, he was ranked in the 40-50 range of prospects, Montero was top 5 at the time of this trade.

Lawrie was young in AA, but his stats were just good, not great. Had he gone to AAA for us and posted a 1.060 OPS as he did for Toronto, i really doubt that Melvin makes the Marcum trade. If there should be criticism of Melvin for that trade it's that Doug and his other talent evaluators didn't see coming what Lawrie would end up doing so soon after the trade.

That all said, this is a wet dream trade for the Yankees given their starting pitching needs.

[Relentless88]

IIRC, wasn't Lawrie traded because of the problems he had with management? Most scouts knew his bat had that kind of potential.

[humanrefutation]

I certainly understand the point you're making, but when Lawrie was traded, he hadn't had a breakout season yet. If my memory is correct, when Lawrie was traded, he was ranked in the 40-50 range of prospects, Montero was top 5 at the time of this trade.

Lawrie was young in AA, but his stats were just good, not great. Had he gone to AAA for us and posted a 1.060 OPS as he did for Toronto, i really doubt that Melvin makes the Marcum trade. If there should be criticism of Melvin for that trade it's that Doug and his other talent evaluators didn't see coming what Lawrie would end up doing so soon after the trade.

Yeah, and Pineda wasn't on the market last year.

Hindsight is 20/20. I don't like how the Marcum trade turned out, but it cannot be removed from it's context.

[trwi7]

We trade a top prospect position player for a starting pitcher with an injury history with two years of control.

Yankees trade a top prospect position player for a starting pitcher with five years of control.

I certainly understand the point you're making, but when Lawrie was traded, he hadn't had a breakout season yet. If my memory is correct, when Lawrie was traded, he was ranked in the 40-50 range of prospects, Montero was top 5 at the time of this trade.

Lawrie was young in AA, but his stats were just good, not great. Had he gone to AAA for us and posted a 1.060 OPS as he did for Toronto, i really doubt that Melvin makes the Marcum trade. If there should be criticism of Melvin for that trade it's that Doug and his other talent evaluators didn't see coming what Lawrie would end up doing so soon after the trade.

That all said, this is a wet dream trade for the Yankees given their starting pitching needs.

Yes I understand Montero was higher ranked. That doesn't mean you can't add another piece or two. We just had to get that gritty veteran with a blazing 88 mph fastball though.

[humanrefutation]

Yes I understand Montero was higher ranked. That doesn't mean you can't add another piece or two. We just had to get that gritty veteran with a blazing 88 mph fastball though.

What pieces? Unless you were fine just dealing for Pineda and not Greinke, I don't know what else in our system would have really sparked the Mariners' interest. Not to mention the fact that we don't even know if Pineda was even on the market last year.

There are always going to be trades in future years that make you pissed that you didn't make them yourself. It's frustrating, I know, especially when the trade you did make didn't turn out how you wanted it to be. You're just going to have to eventually get over it and move on.

[jakecronus8]

Yankees gonna yank

[El Duderino]

Yes I understand Montero was higher ranked. That doesn't mean you can't add another piece or two. We just had to get that gritty veteran with a blazing 88 mph fastball though.

What pieces? Unless you were fine just dealing for Pineda and not Greinke, I don't know what else in our system would have really sparked the Mariners' interest. Not to mention the fact that we don't even know if Pineda was even on the market last year.

There are always going to be trades in future years that make you pissed that you didn't make them yourself. It's frustrating, I know, especially when the trade you did make didn't turn out how you wanted it to be. You're just going to have to eventually get over it and move on.

I was totally shocked when i read Pineda was traded, i never would have envision an arm on a huge man like him would get dealt after only his rookie year. Odds are the only thing that could have made Jack Z even consider trading Pineda was that Montero was a top 5 prospect himself.

We rarely ever see trades like this involving elite really young talents, so i think it will be pretty fascinating to see how it eventually plays out. I think Pineda has a little more overall worth by being a young/cheap starting pitcher, but by being a pitcher he also comes with more injury risk.

[stevescheffler06]

As a Mariner fan (as well as a Brewer fan) I HATE this deal. The rarest commodity in baseball is the starter with No 1 stuff. Pineda has that PLUS 5 years of control. I realize the M's have been historically bad on offense the last two years but this smacks of desperation by GMZ which I would think he's above. I just don't get it. If Montero can catch it's a slightly better deal but I'm not sure anyone seriously believes that he will.