1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

Post #121 » by **Flaming Mo** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:03 pm

mpharris36 wrote:everyone love for shump and he had his moments but he was non existent on the offensive end...tough to say but he looks a little unsure offensively....why doesn't he drive more and get to the line?

Because it is hard for him as a rookie to do everything right. You can tell he is thinking out there and some bad shooting nights have taken some confidence. Anways, he is still playing hard and defending very well so I think when he gets more comfortable with Melo and everybody else, he will be more than fine.

br7knicks · Post #122 » by **br7knicks** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:03 pm

GONYK wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
but that's offense. you and i were talking defense before.

but on the offensive end, you're 100% right. but jorts, novak, and bibby weren't given a chance to show they can do anything towards the end. that's not the players fault.

Mike got outcoached I'm not denying that.

I'm saying he also got out-talented. Hedo, Anderson and Reddick are better than JJ, Jorts, Bibby and Novak, no?

yes, those 4 are.

but if you're talking talent and position?

Melo > Hedo
Amare > Anderson
shump > redick

NYKat · Post #123 » by **NYKat** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:03 pm

Red Vines wrote:Orlando shoots over 40% from 3...we would have been better off hacking Dwight if we couldn't defend the outside shot.

I can live with the strategy,

a 3 is generally a lower percentage shot than Dwight beasting off in the paint.

Post #124 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:03 pm

moocow007 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
moocow007 wrote:So then why are we 3rd in the league in 3 point attempts??? Because despite D'Antoni telling them otherwise, the players override their coaches better judgment and chuck anyways?

No the system is designed to get those shots. The system is successful in getting open looks from the perimeter. We just aren't knocking them down.

What is the alternative with no PG? Iso ball. Which also isn't working.

So what offense do you suggest that overcomes no playmaker and nobody making open shots?

So this system can only be successful when it's chuck full of good chuckers? So again, Mike D'Antoni is going to work for this team how again? Magic of television or wishful thinking?

What is the alternative with no PG? To play smart? How about that? Or basically what they didn't do in the 4th quarter...or were you maybe watching a different game than me? Oh wait...let me guess...D'Antoni wasn't playing right?

No system is successful if players don't make shots.

Play smart? Are we going to run a platitude based offense?

What does smart look like? Passing up open shots?

dreamer3kx · Post #125 » by **dreamer3kx** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:03 pm

How is this team not worse then our record shows, we absolutely stink.

knicksfan974 · Post #126 » by **knicksfan974** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:04 pm

dreamer3kx wrote:
evevale wrote:MDA in postgame interview: "We held them to 102 ... just gotta score more than that"

HAHAH!!! HELD them to 102 as an accomplishment? smfh

OMG, fire this man, go coach Euro ball please, please, please man.

In Europe it's all about defense so D'Antoni wouldn't last too long.

ctorres · Post #127 » by **ctorres** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:04 pm

GONYK wrote:
I'm saying he also got out-talented. Hedo, Anderson and Reddick are better than JJ, Jorts, Bibby and Novak, no?

Not according to some of the experts on this forum. Hedo, Anderson and Redick are apparently bozo trio garbage, but if we had put in our excellent shooters in Bibby, Novak, and Jorts, it would have been the right adjustment!

This crap is so bogus man.

Post #128 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:04 pm

br7knicks wrote:
GONYK wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
but that's offense. you and i were talking defense before.

but on the offensive end, you're 100% right. but jorts, novak, and bibby weren't given a chance to show they can do anything towards the end. that's not the players fault.

Mike got outcoached I'm not denying that.

I'm saying he also got out-talented. Hedo, Anderson and Reddick are better than JJ, Jorts, Bibby and Novak, no?

yes, those 4 are.

but if you're talking talent and position?

Melo > Hedo
Amare > Anderson
shump > redick

Not when Amare and Melo aren't making shots.

Fat Kat · Post #129 » by **Fat Kat** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:04 pm

Stephon Marbury wrote:I find it troubling the lack of shooters we have on this team. No one can hit an open **** shot, holy ****. Losing Billups definitely hurt us in several ways.

Grandpa's shooting under 37% from the field this year. He's nobody's savior.

br7knicks · Post #130 » by **br7knicks** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:05 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Mike got outcoached I'm not denying that.

I'm saying he also got out-talented. Hedo, Anderson and Reddick are better than JJ, Jorts, Bibby and Novak, no?

come on GONYK u are better than this post.

Hedo Anderson and Reddick our there 3 starters....are they better than Amare, Tyson, and Shumpert?

The question is is JJ, Jorts and TD better than Duhon, Q Tip, and Big Baby....i don't see much of a difference.

It is clealy the coach!

thank you. that's what i just said

Post #131 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:05 pm

Flaming Mo wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:everyone love for shump and he had his moments but he was non existent on the offensive end...tough to say but he looks a little unsure offensively....why doesn't he drive more and get to the line?

Because it is hard for him as a rookie to do everything right. You can tell he is thinking out there and some bad shooting nights have taken some confidence. Anways, he is still playing hard and defending very well so I think when he gets more comfortable with Melo and everybody else, he will be more than fine.

i agree he is just a rookie for sure....but he needs to develop and im just not sure our coach is coaching him. he needs to be a d wade slasher and draw fouls and get to the line type player. I think mike is making him into a jump shooter.... :roll:

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #132 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:06 pm

NYKat wrote:
Red Vines wrote:Orlando shoots over 40% from 3...we would have been better off hacking Dwight if we couldn't defend the outside shot.

I can live with the strategy,

a 3 is generally a lower percentage shot than Dwight beasting off in the paint.

Not when the opposing team is one of the best 3 point shooting teams in the NBA. Chase the damn shooters off the 3 point line like the Heat and 6ers do. Letting them shoot open threes is (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

god shammgod · Post #133 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:06 pm

Fat Kat wrote:
Stephon Marbury wrote:I find it troubling the lack of shooters we have on this team. No one can hit an open **** shot, holy ****. Losing Billups definitely hurt us in several ways.

Grandpa's shooting under 37% from the field this year. He's nobody's savior thi year.

he's a crazy chucker. we don't miss him. we miss the guys who are currently on the team hitting their percentages from last year.

Desttro · Post #134 » by **Desttro** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:06 pm

br7knicks wrote:
Paco wrote:
Desttro wrote:17 for 35 from three is unlucky regardless of the defense played.

Bibby should have been in the game when the Magic went zone. Shumpert, Toney, and Landry can't shoot right now.

They shouldn't have taken 35 threes at all. 6ers/Heat both chase shooters off the 3 point line...we can't do that.

this. don't make excuses for the defense. it's not unlucky what the knicks had. their lack of effort/knowledge/coaching was the reason the magic got all those 3's. don't make damn excuses for them desttro

Not excuses just being realistic. Making half your threes on that many attempts typically isn't sustainable even when playing against air. When Turk is banking in threes at the end of the shot clock you know it's not your day.

Post #135 » by **mrpoetryNmotion** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:06 pm

Can I start calling Amar'e FREE MONEY again or is it too early?

Post #136 » by **kane2021** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:07 pm

I am fed up with this style of play. Really I have had enough. Its been over 3 years now. Im just sick and tired of it. Even if we win. Its just not entertaining watching long jump shots.

Im sick of it. I will continue to watch, because its just a life long habit. But I cant get into it the way I want because this is not competitive basketball.

Baron Davis is not going to save us. Its not just a PG. You need good shooters, who can pass and make unselfish spur of the moment decisions quickly. We just dont have that. These guys are told its ok to shoot from anywhere at anytime. And they take it to heart. Davis will help. But its beyond a PG. These players, the style of play, and this coach are not a fit.

So either take the pressure off, extend d'antoni, and continue to make trades to find players for him if the FO is REALLY that confidant in him.

Or find a coach that at the very least can be a better in game manager with this group.

The style of play is garbage. Its not entertaining. Its not fundamental. Its not to our strengths. And the man who is supposed to be calling the shots off the bench has a "let them work it out on their own" type of attitude.

Its the same game every year. Just different players doing it.

And really, many of the mistakes I see on the floor I suspect are lack or repetition in practice. These scrubs going off on us game after game, year after year, I suspect is lack of individual pre game planning. Its like we dont practice. Its like we dont prepare for specific teams. We just keep banging our head against the wall trying to do "what we do".

It dont work. Im just sick and tired it.

NoMoreThrees · Post #137 » by **NoMoreThrees** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:07 pm

dreamer3kx wrote:How is this team not worse then our record shows, we absolutely stink.

very weak sched to open the year

ctorres · Post #138 » by **ctorres** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:07 pm

br7knicks wrote:
ctorres wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
i don't want to take away from anderson or jj. i think anderson is a 3rd tier player, one that'll avg. 15 and 8 + for a few seasons. but they can't be that hard to defend man

They've been hard to defend all season. Maybe later on in the season they will be easier to defend. But right now, the so-called bozo trio of Redick, Turkoglu, and Anderson is actually pretty dangerous.

oh i know that they're good. but they're not 17-35 from 3 good

When you force Howard to have a measly 8 points and 10 rebounds which is well below standards of 21 and 15, it gave their shooters a bigger opportunity tonight.

It's extremely hard to both stop Howard AND stop ALL of their shooters. This game wasn't lost on defend. We lost by missing the shots we were supposed to make. Our players are missing wide open jump shots or passing the ball when they are open to shoot.

Post #139 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:08 pm

NYKat wrote:
Red Vines wrote:Orlando shoots over 40% from 3...we would have been better off hacking Dwight if we couldn't defend the outside shot.

I can live with the strategy,

a 3 is generally a lower percentage shot than Dwight beasting off in the paint.

maybe to start the game...but u have to adjust! If they start hitting them u need to change...if they were cold then u could stay with that strategy but after they hit 2 or 3 in a row u need to change

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #140 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:08 pm

Desttro wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
this. don't make excuses for the defense. it's not unlucky what the knicks had. their lack of effort/knowledge/coaching was the reason the magic got all those 3's. don't make damn excuses for them desttro

Not excuses just being realistic. Making half your threes on that many attempts typically isn't sustainable even when playing against air. When Turk is banking in threes at the end of the shot clock you know it's not your day.

They banked one three all game. The rest were legit shots. Chase them off the 3 point line and force them to take long 2s. Letting them shoot, and make, open 3 pointers is never a good strategy. Orlando is one of the best 3 point shooting teams in the NBA.