1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

[br7knicks]

yes, those 4 are.

but if you're talking talent and position?

Melo > Hedo
Amare > Anderson
shump > redick

Not when Amare and Melo aren't making shots.

listen, i'm with you and not TFK. i think those 3 are good players and aren't scrubs.

but i still don't see, as i said before, how the knicks don't have players that could've stopped anderson or redick, especially after the first quarter or even first half. i'm with you that they're better than the knicks at hitting wide open shots. but, again to reiterate, i don't see how MDA couldn't have made any sort of adjustment or something to tell his players to play ANY sort of defense on those guys. after the first half, those 3 should not have gotten a single 3 pointer off. the coach did a bad job of adjusting to that

[GONYK]

Mike got outcoached I'm not denying that.

I'm saying he also got out-talented. Hedo, Anderson and Reddick are better than JJ, Jorts, Bibby and Novak, no?

come on GONYK u are better than this post.

Hedo Anderson and Reddick our there 3 starters....are they better than Amare, Tyson, and Shumpert?

The question is is JJ, Jorts and TD better than Duhon, Q Tip, and Big Baby....i don't see much of a difference.

It is clealy the coach!

thank you. that's what i just said

So what does Mike do when Amare barely plays and Melo isn't making shots? Hell, when nobody on the team is making shots?

He can't run the PnR. No PG. In fact, he has no playmakers of any kind to run anything really.

I already concede that our defensive rotations were terrible, and that's on coaching. But on offense, not making shots is not making shots, no matter who's name is on the back of the jersey.

[Clyde_Style]

D'Antoni mysteriously slipped through a crack in the time-space continuum and altered the course of history for mankind forevermore.

Before this spatial disruption, Michael D'Antoni was a humble pizza delivery man in Bensonhurst, New York.

The rift in the fabric of time he was somehow caught in miraculously transformed him into a basketball coach in the NBA.

Scientists continue to work furiously looking for a solution that would send him back in time and restore order in the universe.

[knicksfan974]

Amare needs to get his act together and start playing like a 100mil PF.

[MaseInYourFace]

WE need to play a certain way if we are going to win with this coach and right now we don't play that way at a high enough level. Dantoni's system needs to be run like a well oiled machine for it to work. Now if you ask me this an exercise in futility because the team is really built to ideally play more of a half court grind it out, iso style. IMO we will only get so far with Dantoni. Just fire him now and move on...

[MaseInYourFace]

Amare needs to get his act together and start playing like a 100mil PF.

He was in foul trouble most of the game. I'm not gonna kill a guy too much about foul trouble because the officiating is horrible...

[NBA Fan 1234]

Amare needs to get his act together and start playing like a 100mil PF.

He looked pretty good in the 4th quarter. Hopefully it gets him going.

[fireantoni]

D'Antoni has checked out. He doesn't care anymore.

You see coaches screaming on the sidelines, waving their hands at players, etc. This guy shows no emotion anymore besides "Let's Go". I honestly do not blame him for this with the worst constructed roster he's been given, but you need to adjust with what you are give. Fire this clown already.

Ah, Carmelo Anthony. Should I even give my thoughts about his play? No, it's well documented, no need too.

Amare is a ghost. He looks like he's sort of checked out too. Harrelson should be starting over him. Jeffries played well, TD too, Shump was pretty good.

6-7 now. I am lost at words watching this "basketball" team. I hope you are happy Dolan. At least the Rangers are rollin'.

[GONYK]

Amare needs to get his act together and start playing like a 100mil PF.

He looked pretty good in the 4th quarter. Hopefully it gets him going.

Amare will always look good if you get it to him in motion and take his brain out of the equation.

[br7knicks]

oh i know that they're good. but they're not 17-35 from 3 good

When you force Howard to have a measly 8 points and 10 rebounds which is well below standards of 21 and 15, it gave their shooters a bigger opportunity tonight.

It's extremely hard to both stop Howard AND stop ALL of their shooters. This game wasn't lost on defend. We lost by missing the shots we were supposed to make. Our players are missing wide open jump shots or passing the ball when they are open to shoot.

i think it was a mix between the two. knicks lost because they made absolutely NO adjustment to their 3 point shooters, and they can't hit a damn wide open shot. but still, TC did a great job on howard, BY HIMSELF. that means the rest of the players should've been able to stay on their man. fields, TD, and the others all looked so lost on defense

[MaseInYourFace]

D'Antoni has checked out. He doesn't care anymore.

You see coaches screaming on the sidelines, waving their hands at players, etc. This guy shows no emotion anymore besides "Let's Go". I honestly do not blame him for this with the worst constructed roster he's been given, but you need to adjust with what you are give. Fire this clown already.

Ah, Carmelo Anthony. Should I even give my thoughts about his play? No, it's well documented, no need too.

Amare is a ghost. He looks like he's sort of checked out too. Harrelson should be starting over him. Jeffries played well, TD too, Shump was pretty good.

6-7 now. I am lost at words watching this "basketball" team. I hope you are happy Dolan. At least the Rangers are rollin'.

I think deep down Dantoni knows it's not gonna work here but he has to think about his next job. He's gotta at least have a little success to secure that next job...

[NBA Fan 1234]

Amare needs to get his act together and start playing like a 100mil PF.

He looked pretty good in the 4th quarter. Hopefully it gets him going.

Amare will always look good if you get it to him in motion and take his brain out of the equation.

Yup...and when you have him attacking more instead of settling for jumpers.

[br7knicks]

this. don't make excuses for the defense. it's not unlucky what the knicks had. their lack of effort/knowledge/coaching was the reason the magic got all those 3's. don't make damn excuses for them desttro

Not excuses just being realistic. Making half your threes on that many attempts typically isn't sustainable even when playing against air. When Turk is banking in threes at the end of the shot clock you know it's not your day.

They banked one three all game. The rest were legit shots. Chase them off the 3 point line and force them to take long 2s. Letting them shoot, and make, open 3 pointers is never a good strategy. Orlando is one of the best 3 point shooting teams in the NBA.

this. there was only 1 lucky 3 pointer. almost all the rest were uncontested.

[GONYK]

oh i know that they're good. but they're not 17-35 from 3 good

When you force Howard to have a measly 8 points and 10 rebounds which is well below standards of 21 and 15, it gave their shooters a bigger opportunity tonight.

It's extremely hard to both stop Howard AND stop ALL of their shooters. This game wasn't lost on defend. We lost by missing the shots we were supposed to make. Our players are missing wide open jump shots or passing the ball when they are open to shoot.

i think it was a mix between the two. knicks lost because they made absolutely NO adjustment to their 3 point shooters, and they can't hit a damn wide open shot. but still, TC did a great job on howard, BY HIMSELF. that means the rest of the players should've been able to stay on their man. fields, TD, and the others all looked so lost on defense

This I agree with, and this I admit is due to coaching.

[Clyde_Style]

Amare needs to get his act together and start playing like a 100mil PF.

He looked pretty good in the 4th quarter. Hopefully it gets him going.

Amare will always look good if you get it to him in motion and take his brain out of the equation.

Anthony Hopkins is letting a vintage bottle of Chianti breathe in anticipation of this.

[Iman Shumpert]

WE need to play a certain way if we are going to win with this coach and right now we don't play that way at a high enough level. Dantoni's system needs to be run like a well oiled machine for it to work. Now if you ask me this an exercise in futility because the team is really built to ideally play more of a half court grind it out, iso style. IMO we will only get so far with Dantoni. Just fire him now and move on...

Amare will be completely exposed and will be an even bigger headache once he separates from D'Antoni. You can quote me on that. He will suffer in a traditional halfcourt system because he doesn't have any real basketball skills. He spent most of his career just catching and dunking, shooting standstill jumpers, or barreling into 4 defenders.

[mpharris36]

So what does Mike do when Amare barely plays and Melo isn't making shots? Hell, when nobody on the team is making shots?

He can't run the PnR. No PG. In fact, he has no playmakers of any kind to run anything really.

I already concede that our defensive rotations were terrible, and that's on coaching. But on offense, not making shots is not making shots, no matter who's name is on the back of the jersey.

but mike is coaching us like the magic....i think reddick anderson and turk our great shooters its what they do.

We have amare, melo, tyson, iman....we should be attacking the basket and using our length and athleticism. Jameer barely at 6 ft was playing Iman 6 ft 5. Why not try to take him into the low post and force doubles?


We aren't a 3 pt shooting team it is the system.

[arkknight1988]

orlando fan here. i think trade rumours are bothering stat and i believe he will greatly improve his play. shumpert was all over our guards today showed great potential. i question the melo trade though when he could of signed with the knicks in the offseason. why was the trade made again? gallo has really turned into a beast player this year and felton was a perfect pg for ur team.

[HerSports85]

OK.. I never blame the coach.. but today that changes..

First , we play a good defensive game.. not sure how the heck we let the bozo trio of anderson, stankylu and reddick, look like the celtics big 3, but just inexecusable..


the offense is still all melo, bail us out iso's, but at times we did have some good ball movement...


My big beef is with 6 minutes left, the magic go to a zone, and what does dantoni do? he goes with douglas? really, why not bring in harrelson along with novak.. why did we get him dantoni??? why!!!!!!!!!!! sit chandler, dwight was doing nothing, plus he can't hit FT's.. let amare guard dwight and let melo create and hit novak and jorts for shots.. shoot them out of the zone..

Honestly, if dantoni is going to mail it in.. just quit dude, QUIT!!! I watched vangundy go from Q richardson to earl clark trying to find matchups that work.. what do we do? we bench the best shooters while being stifled by zone...

yea, the players share some of the blame, amare still doesn't look comfortable, we missed open shots, but honestly, the coach didn't give us a chance to win....

To me, just trash the season if dantoni is going to mail it in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I rarely agree with you, but this post

[MaseInYourFace]

WE need to play a certain way if we are going to win with this coach and right now we don't play that way at a high enough level. Dantoni's system needs to be run like a well oiled machine for it to work. Now if you ask me this an exercise in futility because the team is really built to ideally play more of a half court grind it out, iso style. IMO we will only get so far with Dantoni. Just fire him now and move on...

Amare will be completely exposed and will be an even bigger headache once he separates from D'Antoni. You can quote me on that. He will suffer in a traditional halfcourt system because he doesn't have any real basketball skills. He spent most of his career just catching and dunking, shooting standstill jumpers, or barreling into 4 defenders.

Amar'e gets most of his points now getting the ball in good position down low or hitting mid range shots. his mid range shot is practically automatic at this point. He is more than fine for half-court ball...