1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

fireantoni · Post #181 » by **fireantoni** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:22 pm

Mike needs to learn to adjust. Bottom line.

I've never seen a worse coach at making adjustments then has has. A team goes from man to zone, but it's the same damn game plan. Like I said, he's checked out. I wouldn't be surprised if he resigned if this losing continues, to save his ego from getting fired.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #182 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:23 pm

mpharris36 wrote:post up? run back screens and use our length? not settle for 3's and spacing.

Do you think if we brought in Phil Jackson or Tibs or any other good coach they would let STAT spend the offseason working on his 3 pt shot? Because Dantoni is the coach he focused on 3's instead of working on his back to the basket moves and mid range game like a PF should....thats my beef

Aside from Melo we have no post up players. We should have more motion on offense...that's 100% true.

Amar'e should have spent his entire offseason shooting mid-range jumpers and, more importantly, working on a post up game.

Also, Thibs sucks as an offensive coach. Please...

nyknicks09 · Post #183 » by **nyknicks09** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:23 pm

NEW COACH! NEW ATTITUDE!

Post #184 » by **HerSports85** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:23 pm

I am more angry and disappointed in management than Amare at this point. There were several guys we could have signed, and I believe that after having a very good draft and signing Tyson, we got lazy with waived players, D-leauge talent and free agents. This team is not constructed properly.

br7knicks · Post #185 » by **br7knicks** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:24 pm

Paco wrote:
br7knicks wrote:this is how i feel about amare. that, and unfortunately it also has to do with the fact that TC brings an extra defender down in the middle, which is where amare is best at. i've been saying this a while, and someone brought it up in a thread.

i think amare would be best when he is playing the center in the line up.

Amar'e is better at playing C on offense because he can use his quickness to his advantage (forcing extra defensive attention from other players on the opposing team --> more open shots for us. Defense is a completely different story.

exactly my point :nod:

Post #186 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:24 pm

Paco wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:post up? run back screens and use our length? not settle for 3's and spacing.

Do you think if we brought in Phil Jackson or Tibs or any other good coach they would let STAT spend the offseason working on his 3 pt shot? Because Dantoni is the coach he focused on 3's instead of working on his back to the basket moves and mid range game like a PF should....thats my beef

Aside from Melo we have no post up players. We should have more motion on offense...that's 100% true.

Amar'e should have spent his entire offseason shooting mid-range jumpers and, more importantly, working on a post up game.

Also, Thibs sucks as an offensive coach. Please...

Yea, I don't know where this myth that Thibs has an offensive clue comes from.

MaseInYourFace · Post #187 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:25 pm

Paco wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:post up? run back screens and use our length? not settle for 3's and spacing.

Do you think if we brought in Phil Jackson or Tibs or any other good coach they would let STAT spend the offseason working on his 3 pt shot? Because Dantoni is the coach he focused on 3's instead of working on his back to the basket moves and mid range game like a PF should....thats my beef

Aside from Melo we have no post up players. We should have more motion on offense...that's 100% true.

Amar'e should have spent his entire offseason shooting mid-range jumpers and, more importantly, working on a post up game.

Also, Thibs sucks as an offensive coach. Please...

Thibs is JVG basically same coach.

Amar'es Mid range is already golden. He should have worked on his post game, yes. But when your coach doens't really play a style conducive to that can you blame him for not wanting to work on something that will not get used?

br7knicks · Post #188 » by **br7knicks** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:25 pm

GONYK wrote:
Paco wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:post up? run back screens and use our length? not settle for 3's and spacing.

Do you think if we brought in Phil Jackson or Tibs or any other good coach they would let STAT spend the offseason working on his 3 pt shot? Because Dantoni is the coach he focused on 3's instead of working on his back to the basket moves and mid range game like a PF should....thats my beef

Aside from Melo we have no post up players. We should have more motion on offense...that's 100% true.

Amar'e should have spent his entire offseason shooting mid-range jumpers and, more importantly, working on a post up game.

Also, Thibs sucks as an offensive coach. Please...

Yea, I don't know where this myth that Thibs has an offensive clue comes from.

he and MDA would make the absolute best or worst coaching tandem.

Post #189 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:25 pm

Paco wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:post up? run back screens and use our length? not settle for 3's and spacing.

Do you think if we brought in Phil Jackson or Tibs or any other good coach they would let STAT spend the offseason working on his 3 pt shot? Because Dantoni is the coach he focused on 3's instead of working on his back to the basket moves and mid range game like a PF should....thats my beef

Aside from Melo we have no post up players. We should have more motion on offense...that's 100% true.

Amar'e should have spent his entire offseason shooting mid-range jumpers and, more importantly, working on a post up game.

Also, Thibs sucks as an offensive coach. Please...

yes but do u think he would allow landry to play 31 minutes with his lapses on defense??? tibs yanks out noah and boozer if they don't play defense and miss there assignments...our coach just has his hands folded and allows switching and missed assignment after missed assignment.

Amare has a hook shot in his rep he should have taken weak azz anderson down low all night and drew fouls.

Our coach wants our bigs out of the paint and floor spacing...that is not what this team needs to be doing. We need to use our length, attack the rim, and crash the glass for offensive rebounds.

Post #190 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:26 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
Paco wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:post up? run back screens and use our length? not settle for 3's and spacing.

Do you think if we brought in Phil Jackson or Tibs or any other good coach they would let STAT spend the offseason working on his 3 pt shot? Because Dantoni is the coach he focused on 3's instead of working on his back to the basket moves and mid range game like a PF should....thats my beef

Aside from Melo we have no post up players. We should have more motion on offense...that's 100% true.

Amar'e should have spent his entire offseason shooting mid-range jumpers and, more importantly, working on a post up game.

Also, Thibs sucks as an offensive coach. Please...

Thibs is JVG basically same coach.

Amar'es Mid range is already golden. He should have worked on his post game, yes. But when your coach doens't really play a style conducive to that can you blame him for not wanting to work on something that will not get used?

Also, what makes you think STAT wants to play in the post? Some players just don't want to. See Garnett.

Clyde_Style · Post #191 » by **Clyde_Style** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:26 pm

FREE JEROME JORDAN!!

ctorres · Post #192 » by **ctorres** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:27 pm

br7knicks wrote:
i think balkman or J Jordan could've done a decent job on anderson. anderson was getting wide open shots, he wasn't shooting over anyone. just get someone to go near here to take him out of his rhythm. it's like a WR on a route: bump him on the line to through off the route.

J Jordan is likely too raw to contribute right now. If he couldn't beat out Harrelson for minutes as a back-up center, that tells me A LOT. Jordan probably would have missed his assignments out on the floor. Defensively he's a liability right now.

Balkman didn't get minutes tonight due to Jeffries getting the back-up SF/PF minutes. There was no where for Balkman to play in the rotation.

MaseInYourFace · Post #193 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:28 pm

As much as I want to kill this team, things could be so much worse. We are right around 500 and this is with a bad starting backcourt and a team that is still getting used to each other. I just hate that Dantoni is the coach. Totally let's the air out of the hope balloon.

Post #194 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:28 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
Paco wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:post up? run back screens and use our length? not settle for 3's and spacing.

Do you think if we brought in Phil Jackson or Tibs or any other good coach they would let STAT spend the offseason working on his 3 pt shot? Because Dantoni is the coach he focused on 3's instead of working on his back to the basket moves and mid range game like a PF should....thats my beef

Aside from Melo we have no post up players. We should have more motion on offense...that's 100% true.

Amar'e should have spent his entire offseason shooting mid-range jumpers and, more importantly, working on a post up game.

Also, Thibs sucks as an offensive coach. Please...

Thibs is JVG basically same coach.

Amar'es Mid range is already golden. He should have worked on his post game, yes. But when your coach doens't really play a style conducive to that can you blame him for not wanting to work on something that will not get used?

exactly mase! that is what im talking about. Why would amare work on his post up game when Mike's system doesn't allow u to post up. We need his to get down low where he belongs. He is still strong and athletic he should be down low.

I don't blame Amare for this I blame the system and the coach because this is what he wants his players to do!

DaRooster8 · Post #195 » by **DaRooster8** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:28 pm

nyknicks09 wrote:NEW COACH! NEW ATTITUDE!

NOW!

I seriously can't take it anymore. This ball club needs a new direction. I'm not saying I blame everything on the coach, but honestly..he's just not good. Maybe a new voice would help this team out. It can't hurt at this point. How many times have we had role players just destroy us from the 3 point line? There's something wrong here. It's not just a lack of player talent either. I guarantee Stan Van Gundy would have us playing better with this roster.

MaseInYourFace · Post #196 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:29 pm

ctorres wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
i think balkman or J Jordan could've done a decent job on anderson. anderson was getting wide open shots, he wasn't shooting over anyone. just get someone to go near here to take him out of his rhythm. it's like a WR on a route: bump him on the line to through off the route.

J Jordan is likely too raw to contribute right now. If he couldn't beat out Harrelson for minutes as a back-up center, that tells me A LOT. Jordan probably would have missed his assignments out on the floor. Defensively he's a liability right now.

Balkman didn't get minutes tonight due to Jeffries getting the back-up SF/PF minutes. There was no where for Balkman to play in the rotation.

To be fair Harrelson has played very well. He's impressed the heck out of me.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #197 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:29 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Paco wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:post up? run back screens and use our length? not settle for 3's and spacing.

Do you think if we brought in Phil Jackson or Tibs or any other good coach they would let STAT spend the offseason working on his 3 pt shot? Because Dantoni is the coach he focused on 3's instead of working on his back to the basket moves and mid range game like a PF should....thats my beef

Aside from Melo we have no post up players. We should have more motion on offense...that's 100% true.

Amar'e should have spent his entire offseason shooting mid-range jumpers and, more importantly, working on a post up game.

Also, Thibs sucks as an offensive coach. Please...

yes but do u think he would allow landry to play 31 minutes with his lapses on defense??? tibs yanks out noah and boozer if they don't play defense and miss there assignments...our coach just has his hands folded and allows switching and missed assignment after missed assignment.

Amare has a hook shot in his rep he should have taken weak azz anderson down low all night and drew fouls.

Right...Thibs would be better for defense, but he wouldn't help at all on the offensive end (which is what you were alluding to in your previous post, if I understood it correctly).

Amar'e has used his hook shot once all season...and that was against the 6ers. If he has one, he sure as hell isn't showing it/using it.

DocZaius · Post #198 » by **DocZaius** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:29 pm

all I can say is ...Baron Davis will not fix this mess

Post #199 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:30 pm

DaRooster8 wrote:
nyknicks09 wrote:NEW COACH! NEW ATTITUDE!

NOW!

I seriously can't take it anymore. This ball club needs a new direction. I'm not saying I blame everything on the coach, but honestly..he's just not good. Maybe a new voice would help this team out. It can't hurt at this point. How many times have we had role players just destroy us from the 3 point line? There's something wrong here. It's not just a lack of player talent either. I guarantee Stan Van Gundy would have us playing better with this roster.

I don't care if Mike is fired, but I am interested in what people think the new coach will be able to accomplish with such a flawed and shallow roster.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #200 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:31 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
Paco wrote:
Aside from Melo we have no post up players. We should have more motion on offense...that's 100% true.

Amar'e should have spent his entire offseason shooting mid-range jumpers and, more importantly, working on a post up game.

Also, Thibs sucks as an offensive coach. Please...

Thibs is JVG basically same coach.

Amar'es Mid range is already golden. He should have worked on his post game, yes. But when your coach doens't really play a style conducive to that can you blame him for not wanting to work on something that will not get used?

exactly mase! that is what im talking about. Why would amare work on his post up game when Mike's system doesn't allow u to post up. We need his to get down low where he belongs. He is still strong and athletic he should be down low.

I don't blame Amare for this I blame the system and the coach because this is what he wants his players to do!

I'll agree with GONYK's post saying that not everyone enjoys playing in the post...but it's up to the players to work on weaknesses in their game REGARDLESS of who the coach is. Amar'e knows that he has no post game...why not try to improve it? I blame Amar'e for that. If he had a post game, it would no doubt get used because it would help us score.