Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

Post #21 » by **ATL Boy** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:40 pm

davidse wrote:horford, josh smith, hinrich, 1st
for
amare, chandler, dougles.

makes the hawks instant contenders instead of suffering through a wasted season on a huge budget (because of horford's injury)

gives new york - a team that's going nowhere and has killed their flexiblity - two great options:

1. a good trade package for howard (horford would be ideal for orlando - allowing them to tank and get a great lottery pick, and the knicks can also absorb all of orlando's bad contracts with the hawks' package. they add shumprt and the hawks' 2012 1st, and this is a very tempting offer for orlando.

2. even if they fail at howard - the knicks' "new" position next summer will be:
melo, horford, shumpert, fields, hawks' pick, and a max salary slot to offer next offseason. a much better position than where they are now - as i said - going nowhere and having zero future flexiblity.

i think that horford going down makes this a very good move for the hawks, and an opportunity for the knicks.

No for me but it is enticing; As MaceCase already mentioned Horford didn't have microfracture surgery, he'll come back the same as he was before this injury won't affect his game in the Future, so (to me at least) his value is the same as it would be if he's not hurt. And I'd rather have Al and Josh instead Amare and Chandler. I might do this trade if Amare regains his 2010 form where he was an MVP candidate but Amare has done nothing this season.

MaceCase · Post #22 » by **MaceCase** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:44 pm

davidse wrote:horford, josh smith, hinrich, 1st
for
amare, chandler, dougles.

makes the hawks instant contenders instead of suffering through a wasted season on a huge budget (because of horford's injury)

.........and when Amar'e and Chandler go down next season, the season after that and the season after that due to their age and already brittle legs will you be offering us Smith and Horford back so we don't have to suffer wasted seasons on an even bigger budget?

Again, are people under some impression that Horford suffered a career altering injury or that the Hawks were under a "Ring this season or bust!" plan? The guy is set to return for the playoffs, I think we'll pass.

Holy ****, I just noticed, we give up a 1st also???!!!!!! Wow, not even giving us a conciliatory reacharound to go with the sandpaper condom ass reaming, are ya?

davidse · Post #23 » by **davidse** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:49 pm

in case you missed it - your season is over.

and that has value in the nba. "trade" value and financial value.

this saves the season, all but guarentees atlanta being a top 3 team in the east with pottential for more, generates playoff revenue and finaly gives the team some real size.

yes, there is risk with amare's uninsured contract, but if you wanna avoid that risk, the cost is this entire season and what should be a very good shot at contension.

and fwiw, looking forward - the hawks are not a better team with horford and smith than they'd be with chandler and amare.
all you're "losing" is the risk factor that's more than compensated with real contension for the first time vs. a lost season.

and keep your smug remarks for knicks fans - i'm not one of them.

Post #24 » by **HMFFL** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:09 pm

Joe Johnson is viewed as one of the worst contracts in the league but Amare Stoudemire is right there with him. Carmelo Anthony can be classified in that as well depending on how you view him and what he brings on both ends of the court. I prefer not to be stuck with Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudemire.

davidse: You can say our season is over, but Atlanta will have the second best record in the East once we beat Toronto this afternoon, so you can make some cheap shots about our team all you want. I expect us to make the playoffs, but New York is at risk of being a one an out as well, so it's not like things are very exciting in the Big Apple at the moment. The Atlantic division is very weak right now and yet your Knicks are playing below .500 basketball.

Superiorblogman · Post #25 » by **Superiorblogman** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:21 pm

davidse wrote:in case you missed it - your season is over.

and that has value in the nba. "trade" value and financial value.

this saves the season, all but guarentees atlanta being a top 3 team in the east with pottential for more, generates playoff revenue and finaly gives the team some real size.

yes, there is risk with amare's uninsured contract, but if you wanna avoid that risk, the cost is this entire season and what should be a very good shot at contension.

and fwiw, looking forward - the hawks are not a better team with horford and smith than they'd be with chandler and amare.
all you're "losing" is the risk factor that's more than compensated with real contension for the first time vs. a lost season.

and keep your smug remarks for knicks fans - i'm not one of them.

No-one wants that trade end of story, attitude or not.

evildallas · Post #26 » by **evildallas** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:40 pm

I'm not understanding why New York would trade their last 2 big free agent signings for 2 injured players, a pick and Josh Smith. Ignoring where the risk lies in the players it would be a GM and a coach committing job suicide. Right now both of them have to be banking on Baron Davis improving the lineup to the point of contention to save their jobs.

For the Hawks, I'm not sure of their motivation either. They get 3-4 years older at each position. Amare is the best offensive player in the deal, but not exactly known for his play on the other end. Chandler is the best defensive player in the deal, but not much on offense without a playmaking point guard. Josh and Al both have holes in their games, but they are much more complete overall. If the point of the deal is that Amare is a bigger star then I concede that point, but given his contract he's not a bargain star, but a full retail priced one. I don't believe his moves the needle enough to make back the luxury tax in the future.

MaceCase · Post #27 » by **MaceCase** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:20 pm

Because the KNICKS' season is over, they have the big payed guys healthy and in the lineup yet can't even hit .500 so taking Horford and Hinrich doesn't make a difference for them seeing as they aren't going anywhere to begin with. They want to tank and clear cap while disguising their two overpaid guys as though they'd be Godsends for our season.....if so then why the **** are the Knicks so bad?

Ruhiel · Post #28 » by **Ruhiel** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:34 am

Am I the only one who enjoyed reading "a team that's going nowhere and has killed their flexiblity"?...

Post #29 » by **ATL Boy** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:37 am

davidse wrote:in case you missed it - your season is over.

and that has value in the nba. "trade" value and financial value.

this saves the season, all but guarentees atlanta being a top 3 team in the east with pottential for more, generates playoff revenue and finaly gives the team some real size.

yes, there is risk with amare's uninsured contract, but if you wanna avoid that risk, the cost is this entire season and what should be a very good shot at contension.

and fwiw, looking forward - the hawks are not a better team with horford and smith than they'd be with chandler and amare.
all you're "losing" is the risk factor that's more than compensated with real contension for the first time vs. a lost season.

and keep your smug remarks for knicks fans - i'm not one of them.

Don't come onto our board and insult our team like that, you don't see us coming onto the Knicks board and doing that; and right now with or without Horford the Hawks would destroy the Knicks the way they're playing, New York is going with the superstar theory thinking they can win a title Idk what all the hype is about; you guys have Anthony, Amare who's been trash, and Chandler who's being payed 20 mil to play great Defense which he isn't doing, and you guys have no bench what so ever. Btw Horford will be back by the first round, and with our deph and players we have a chance at a playoff run, while the Knicks I predict will suffer a 1st round exit, something Carmelo Anthony is use to.

Ruhiel · Post #30 » by **Ruhiel** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:09 am

^"Get him" - DMX voice, throw in a couple barks lol

Superiorblogman · Post #31 » by **Superiorblogman** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:54 am

Marvin+Zaza+ 2 future 2nd rd picks for Josh Childress+Gortat

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5990742

Superiorblogman · Post #32 » by **Superiorblogman** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:02 am

Kirk for Devin Ebanks+Darius Morris+Lakers TPE

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5990736

Post #33 » by **dms269** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:28 pm

Superiorblogman wrote:Marvin+Zaza+ 2 future 2nd rd picks for Josh Childress+Gortat

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5990742

Gortat is the Phx basketball version of Tebow. Apparently we would have to give up Smith or Horford and even then some Phx fans would decline it.

Post #34 » by **dms269** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:28 pm

Superiorblogman wrote:Kirk for Devin Ebanks+Darius Morris+Lakers TPE

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5990736

Not horrible, but I would prefer to atleast get one of their picks out of it.

Superiorblogman · Post #35 » by **Superiorblogman** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:12 pm

uga_dawgs24 wrote:
Superiorblogman wrote:Kirk for Devin Ebanks+Darius Morris+Lakers TPE

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5990736

Not horrible, but I would prefer to atleast get one of their picks out of it.

Which guy do we prefer to decline on in exchange for the pick? Morris or Ebanks?

Superiorblogman · Post #36 » by **Superiorblogman** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:15 pm

uga_dawgs24 wrote:
Superiorblogman wrote:Marvin+Zaza+ 2 future 2nd rd picks for Josh Childress+Gortat

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5990742

Gortat is the Phx basketball version of Tebow. Apparently we would have to give up Smith or Horford and even then some Phx fans would decline it.

That's crazy being that Chillz's contract is worse than Marvin and they would get picks. Phoenix is making some silly moves right now. They aren't going anywhere and there future is not bright. They need to take every chance they can to do something positive. Getting rid of Chillz's contract and grabbing 2 2nd rd picks is a good flip for Gortat IMO. He isn't worth Josh even though I am not a fan of Josh.

Post #37 » by **dms269** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:02 pm

Superiorblogman wrote:
uga_dawgs24 wrote:
Superiorblogman wrote:Kirk for Devin Ebanks+Darius Morris+Lakers TPE

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5990736

Not horrible, but I would prefer to atleast get one of their picks out of it.

Which guy do we prefer to decline on in exchange for the pick? Morris or Ebanks?

Are either of them really considered that good of prospects? Both 2nd round picks in back to back years...I doubt they would get much playing time at all.

Post #38 » by **dms269** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:04 pm

Superiorblogman wrote:
uga_dawgs24 wrote:
Superiorblogman wrote:Marvin+Zaza+ 2 future 2nd rd picks for Josh Childress+Gortat

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/5990742

Gortat is the Phx basketball version of Tebow. Apparently we would have to give up Smith or Horford and even then some Phx fans would decline it.

That's crazy being that Chillz's contract is worse than Marvin and they would get picks. Phoenix is making some silly moves right now. They aren't going anywhere and there future is not bright. They need to take every chance they can to do something positive. Getting rid of Chillz's contract and grabbing 2 2nd rd picks is a good flip for Gortat IMO. He isn't worth Josh even though I am not a fan of Josh.

Getting 2nd round picks usually aren't considered to be valuable pieces.

Yes they do get rid of Chill's 4 year deal, but they are only cutting a year off (between his and Marvin's) and they are taking on Zaza's two year deal. Definitely not worth them giving up Gortat.

Superiorblogman · Post #39 » by **Superiorblogman** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:54 pm

Getting 2nd round picks usually aren't considered to be valuable pieces.

Yes they do get rid of Chill's 4 year deal, but they are only cutting a year off (between his and Marvin's) and they are taking on Zaza's two year deal. Definitely not worth them giving up Gortat.[/quote]

I think it is more than worth it. We let Chillz go for a 2nd rd pick and yes I understand we were not going to re-sign him anyway. Gortat is playing with one of the best PG's in the world and it is not like his numbers are off the charts. Meaning, he is not going to get any better than what you currently see and will likely get worse just like everyone else that leaves there.

Are either of them really considered that good of prospects? Both 2nd round picks in back to back years...I doubt they would get much playing time at all.

Yes, they both looked good in college and are both cheap pieces for a team that is hell bent on being cheap. The 1st rd pick would likely cost more than the 2 combined and would likely be no better of a talent. I wouldn't mind the 1st but the talent is no better in this draft than any other. That late 1st will probably not fetch you a player closer to contributing than these 2 are. If we have 2 1st's this year they will equal over $2 million in cap space. Ebanks and Morris equal a little over $1 million combined.

MaceCase · Post #40 » by **MaceCase** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:45 pm

If the Suns are seriously looking to get rid of Chills then there's this thing called amnesty that they could try out. Gortat is their top scorer, rebounder, shot blocker, leads the team in numerous advanced statistics and has proven to be a valuable C even before playing with Nash. Teams that are rebuilding tend to hold onto those and it's simple that the value in talent and contracts they are receiving is not offsetting that so they would absolutely decline that deal.

Just think of it that way, you are asking a team to trade it's best player going forward for Marvin, Zaza and two 2nds.