1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

[moocow007]

Watching the game I caught a glance of Larry Huughes on the Magic Bench and I thought to myself, "Man I wish he was our starting 2." I'm sure he can keep up with other 2s in the league and i can't imagine how he could be worst then what we are working with now, and he's cheap...

Which really says more about the Knicks 2 guards than it does about Larry Hughes.

[TKF]

Not arguing playing Novak when the Zone came out... Novak is a situational player and when the other team plays zone thats the situation you put him in the game... but you can't start him at the 2...

oh yea, I agree, we can't.. didn't even know that was a serious idea here... lol

[NBA Fan 1234]

they are content with a 6-7 record...this is our roster for the rest of the season pretty much with the addition of davis and that should help....but fields can no longer play the 2! do i seriously need to show u the performances opposing twos have put up against fields this yr?

You constantly say that Fields shouldn't start...and everyone here agrees. But, you have yet to give us a suggestion that actually makes sense.

start shump at the 2 and tony at the 1...start balkman at the 3 and melo at the 2. start bibby at the 1 and shumpert at the two.

I would even be willing to start jeffries or novak at the 3 and move melo to the 2.

That is how much i think landry kills us at the 2!

Toney should never start again.

I'm not against starting Bibby and moving Shump over to the 2 or starting Balkman (IF he's in to guard the opposing team's best player be it SG or SF). As for Jeffries/Novak, please read the other 30 posts I have on starting them.

[br7knicks]

I think for the offense to work Fields has to breakout of his slump (it isn't happening if it hasn't yet) or Novak should be on the floor, even if Melo has to defend the SG.

For our offense to work, our players need to be able to play to their strengths. For the Knicks they may be better off playing Balkman over Fields (Balkman isn't a SG but neither is Fields). Hope that Balkman provides the same kind of spark and energy that Shumpert has and fire up the flow of the game some. The Knicks are really best right now when they are attacking and playing aggressive. That's when the choatic (but affective) defense works. That's also when the offense seems to have more life and motion. Fields obviously isn't working and Novak is clearly not one that can guard SG's.

this is exactly why this team is bad

people want balkman to be playing SG

and this is a win now team? clamoring for balkman to play? thats how desperate things have come and shows their average record

ok, would you rather have walker playing the 2? my point was that there had to be an adjustment, and none was made.

[mjp4eva86]

Watching the game I caught a glance of Larry Huughes on the Magic Bench and I thought to myself, "Man I wish he was our starting 2." I'm sure he can keep up with other 2s in the league and i can't imagine how he could be worst then what we are working with now, and he's cheap...

Which really says more about the Knicks 2 guards than it does about Larry Hughes.

I know!!!!

[god shammgod]

8-12 from Reddick is what killed us. Since the Knicks don't have many 2 way guys they need to let their big money guys worry about offense and bring in more guys on defense that can stop guys like Reddick from going crazy.

it was a close game until the last 4 minutes when we couldn't score against the zone.

The Knicks allowed the Magic to score 29 points in the 4th so not only could they not score against the zone, they couldn't prevent the Magic from scoring.

we couldn't prevent them from scoring from 3 all game but we were still in it till we couldn't score. fields sucks on d yeah but they had multiple guys hitting 3s on us.

[KnicksScholar24]

I'm looking at the box score and Landry Fields had a WAAAY better game than I thought. He was 2-3 (66%) from the field, had 6 defensive rebounds and 4 assists. He also, somehow, had a +8 +/- rating for the game.

But I guess his horrid defense just blinded me to any of his other contributions. Still, his 0-0 from 3-point range, is why the Magic were able to go to the zone. And of course his miss (a completely wide open airball miss at a key moment in the 4th) stood out to me more than his two makes.

[mpharris36]

start shump at the 2 and tony at the 1...start balkman at the 3 and melo at the 2. start bibby at the 1 and shumpert at the two.

I would even be willing to start jeffries or novak at the 3 and move melo to the 2.

That is how much i think landry kills us at the 2!

Toney should never start again.

I'm not against starting Bibby and moving Shump over to the 2 or starting Balkman (IF he's in to guard the opposing team's best player be it SG or SF). As for Jeffries/Novak, please read the other 30 posts I have on starting them.

what makes you right and others wrong? seriously...we are under 500 i am trying to find options that may or may not work but im trying to find OPTIONS! just saying continue to start fields at the 2 because we have no options is ridiculous and u sound like Mike Dantoni. Try every avaliable option...the offense is doing nothing and opposing 2's are having there way with us why not exhaust every option before you don't think it will work because honestly you wont know until you try it.


if you keep on running into a brick wall you wont get through it...maybe try a different path

[god shammgod]

I'm looking at the box score and Landry Fields had a WAAAY better game than I thought. He was 2-3 (66%) from the field, had 6 defensive rebounds and 4 assists. He also, somehow, had a +8 +/- rating for the game.

But I guess his horrid defense just blinded me to any of his other contributions. Still, his 0-0 from 3-point range, is why the Magic were able to go to the zone. And of course his miss (a completely wide open airball miss at a key moment in the 4th) stood out to me more than his two makes.

he's scared to shoot at this point. he doesn't even attempt it. he makes the extra pass even when he's open.

[br7knicks]

the knicks need to either grab a 1, so shump can move, or get a 2, temporarily until davis can come play.

well at this point, what would be the harm in bringing bibby to start? he's no worse than fields or amare on defense at this point.

bibby
shump
melo
amare
TC

[NBA Fan 1234]

start shump at the 2 and tony at the 1...start balkman at the 3 and melo at the 2. start bibby at the 1 and shumpert at the two.

I would even be willing to start jeffries or novak at the 3 and move melo to the 2.

That is how much i think landry kills us at the 2!

Toney should never start again.

I'm not against starting Bibby and moving Shump over to the 2 or starting Balkman (IF he's in to guard the opposing team's best player be it SG or SF). As for Jeffries/Novak, please read the other 30 posts I have on starting them.

what makes you right and others wrong? seriously...we are under 500 i am trying to find options that may or may not work but im trying to find OPTIONS! just saying continue to start fields at the 2 because we have no options is ridiculous and u sound like Mike Dantoni. Try every avaliable option...the offense is doing nothing and opposing 2's are having there way with us why not exhaust every option before you don't think it will work because honestly you wont know until you try it.


if you keep on running into a brick wall you wont get through it...maybe try a different path

I just know that I'm right (it also helps when there are other people here agreeing with me and disagreeing with you).

I sound like Mike D'Antoni? This is coming from the guy who said we should start Novak over Fields because he can hit the three. Yea. On that note, I'm going to read.

[Red Vines]

Our coach is garbage at this point but he will get a chance with Baron, that's when the clock starts ticking. It was a little unfair to him that Billups was waived so unexpectedly and given a short training camp to figure out what to do with the PG situation.

[mpharris36]

the knicks need to either grab a 1, so shump can move, or get a 2, temporarily until davis can come play.

well at this point, what would be the harm in bringing bibby to start? he's no worse than fields or amare on defense at this point.

bibby
shump
melo
amare
TC

but watching shump of late he is not shooting well...they left him open the entire time in that zone and he doesn't knock down that shot consistentyly to be a 2 the entire time.

[KnicksScholar24]

Bad numbers from the box scores.

Melo: 1-8 from 3-point range, Shumpert: 3-9 from the field, and the wonderful Douglas: 4-12 from the field (12 FGA in 22 minutes with -15 +/- rating). Stoudemire's (-12 +/- rating) 2 rebounds in 21 minutes also isn't a winning stat. Chandler's 5 fouls, 8 rebounds in 34 minutes, -6 +/- rating, and only 1 block didn't look too good either. Defensively Chandler was pretty good, though. As good, as Fields was horrible.

Knicks as a team rank 29th in 3-point defense. Showed why today.

[god shammgod]

the knicks need to either grab a 1, so shump can move, or get a 2, temporarily until davis can come play.

well at this point, what would be the harm in bringing bibby to start? he's no worse than fields or amare on defense at this point.

bibby
shump
melo
amare
TC

but watching shump of late he is not shooting well...they left him open the entire time in that zone and he doesn't knock down that shot consistentyly to be a 2 the entire time.

he can't shoot either.

[boomann21]

Bad numbers from the box scores.

Melo: 1-8 from 3-point range, Shumpert: 3-9 from the field, and the wonderful Douglas: 4-12 from the field (12 FGA in 22 minutes with -15 +/- rating). Stoudemire's (-12 +/- rating) 2 rebounds in 21 minutes also isn't a winning stat. Chandler's 5 fouls, 8 rebounds in 34 minutes, -6 +/- rating, and only 1 block didn't look too good either. Defensively Chandler was pretty good, though. As good, as Fields was horrible.

Knicks as a team rank 29th in 3-point defense. Showed why today.

Amare had two rebounds which is disgusting.

[god shammgod]

Bad numbers from the box scores.

Melo: 1-8 from 3-point range, Shumpert: 3-9 from the field, and the wonderful Douglas: 4-12 from the field (12 FGA in 22 minutes with -15 +/- rating). Stoudemire's (-12 +/- rating) 2 rebounds in 21 minutes also isn't a winning stat. Chandler's 5 fouls, 8 rebounds in 34 minutes, -6 +/- rating, and only 1 block didn't look too good either. Defensively Chandler was pretty good, though. As good, as Fields was horrible.

Knicks as a team rank 29th in 3-point defense. Showed why today.

switching on high pick and rolls will always leave shooters open. with our philosophy how do you avoid that.

[br7knicks]

the knicks need to either grab a 1, so shump can move, or get a 2, temporarily until davis can come play.

well at this point, what would be the harm in bringing bibby to start? he's no worse than fields or amare on defense at this point.

bibby
shump
melo
amare
TC

but watching shump of late he is not shooting well...they left him open the entire time in that zone and he doesn't knock down that shot consistentyly to be a 2 the entire time.

and a lot of that can change once he plays his natural position. once he's allowed to do the things he's good at - and not pull up jumpers - he'll be back on track

[mpharris36]

I just know that I'm right (it also helps when there are other people here agreeing with me and disagreeing with you).

I sound like Mike D'Antoni? This is coming from the guy who said we should start Novak over Fields because he can hit the three. Yea. On that note, I'm going to read.

u just know ur right classic.

i think there are just as many people agreeing with you as disagreeing with you. And im pretty sure ur not right so im cool with it.

Im more on the band wagon that i would rather have anyone over fields at this point and i think i have the right to decide that.

40 % from the field 21% from 3....and terrible defense...he is the worst starting 2 in the entire league...so if he is not starting it wont kill this team regardless of who we insert in those minutes....bibby, td, balkman, novak, jeffries

[mjp4eva86]

the knicks need to either grab a 1, so shump can move, or get a 2, temporarily until davis can come play.

well at this point, what would be the harm in bringing bibby to start? he's no worse than fields or amare on defense at this point.

bibby
shump
melo
amare
TC

I agree about grabbing a new player... if you start Bibby our defense would break down from the beginning of the defensive set because he can't stay in front of 95% of the point guards in the league. Based on what we've seen this season start TD at point and his vision will kill us + for some reason this year he can't keep pg out the lane or make a outside shot. Shump should be the starting 2 but at this point hes the best option at 1 at both ends of the floor . At this point help has to come from either BD or outside the current roster