1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

Post #481 » by **kane2021** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:48 am

br7knicks wrote:
kane2021 wrote:I know amare has not played well. Im more concerned with his attitude and body language more than his play. But you do not trade another player on this roster to try and make this offense work. Players are hard to get and move. Before you go to that extreme you must try a different offense. Thats just the way I see it.

i've been saying this since the loss to the bobcats. you can see it in amare and his body language. it's ugly

That game where Iman tried to be a super star on national TV got to him. He wanted out of that game. And he went out of his way to tackle someone for his 4th foul and never returned.

I agree its been going on before that with amare. But thats the game I saw what I felt was a guy who no longer wanted to participate. And that bothered me. Of course that just my perspective of what happened. But it cannot be denied something is up with this dude.

DuckTales · Post #482 » by **DuckTales** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:49 am

BigE86 wrote:
DuckTales wrote:Trading Amare has nothing to do with his offense and everything to do with his lack of anything else besides offense.

I would hate for Stat to get traded to a team with a coach only to come back and dunk on this entire roster in front of the same fair weather crowd chanting "MVP!" last season.

Good grief.

Too bad his dunk will be canceled out by even more dunks on him. It will be a layup line to the basket when Amare is guarding anyone.

David Lee was once The Doorman. Eddy Curry was before him. Amare Stoudemire has now claimed the throne as the new Doorman.

Fair weather you say? I'm not fair weather. Tell that to the bandwagon fans who started watching last year. Those are the ones who were chanting 'MVP' anyway.

sol537 · Post #483 » by **sol537** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:50 am

NY Trades: Amare, Fields, Balkman, Douglas
Hou Trades: Scola, Martin, Flynn, Dragic, NY 2012 1st

Would you do it?

Fat Kat · Post #484 » by **Fat Kat** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:52 am

sol537 wrote:NY Trades: Amare, Fields, Balkman, Douglas
Hou Trades: Scola, Martin, Flynn, Dragic, NY 2012 1st

Would you do it?

No, but feel free to visit the trade thread. Foolish trades that have no chance of happening are commonplace there.

E86 · Post #485 » by **E86** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:53 am

DuckTales wrote:
BigE86 wrote:
DuckTales wrote:Trading Amare has nothing to do with his offense and everything to do with his lack of anything else besides offense.

I would hate for Stat to get traded to a team with a coach only to come back and dunk on this entire roster in front of the same fair weather crowd chanting "MVP!" last season.

Good grief.

Too bad his dunk will be canceled out by even more dunks on him. It will be a layup line to the basket when Amare is guarding anyone.

David Lee was once The Doorman. Eddy Curry was before him. Amare Stoudemire has now claimed the throne as the new Doorman.

Fair weather you say? I'm not fair weather. Tell that to the bandwagon fans who started watching last year. Those are the ones who were chanting 'MVP' anyway.

Okay, man. I'm with you. Let's trade him for Ben Wallace. He's got a ring and is small enough for the 4. Plus he plays defense!

sol537 · Post #486 » by **sol537** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:57 am

Fat Kat wrote:No, but feel free to visit the trade thread. Foolish trades that have no chance of happening are commonplace there.

Houston tried to obtain Amare twice before in recent years. They recently tried to land Gasol to shore up their PF position using Martin and Scola as chips. There's no chance of them going after Amare (to pair with Dally and Lowry) with the same package. Obviously! :roll:

Post #487 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:00 am

Kane - I see what you see.

From Amar'e's perspective...

- He's no longer top dog
- Brass looked to trade him for Paul in the offseason
- Dudes didn't come to his camp
- Asshat fans have turned on him
- Now some rook is eating from his dish

Now, I'm not saying he's completely justified... but he mad. This was his team last year and the tide has turned on him. Somebody from upstairs really needs to sit down with this guy and tell him he's wanted here and that we need him to be Leader Stat. This could become a real problem.

fullermd · Post #488 » by **fullermd** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:04 am

Does anyone know why Amare only played 22minutes against Orlando? I did not watch the game< I had more pressing business. Since I spent a little coin going to OKC for the Knicks game, and they performed so poorly, I have dropped the team to a much lower level on my priority list.

DuckTales · Post #489 » by **DuckTales** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:04 am

BigE86 wrote:Okay, man. I'm with you. Let's trade him for Ben Wallace. He's got a ring and is small enough for the 4. Plus he plays defense!

The classic "I have nothing constructive left to say so let me mock you with a sarcastic post of random bad/old player to trade for" comeback.

Good one.

Post #490 » by **GONYK** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:04 am

fullermd wrote:Does anyone know why Amare only played 22minutes against Orlando? I did not watch the game< I had more pressing business. Since I spent a little coin going to OKC for the Knicks game, and they performed so poorly, I have dropped the team to a much lower level on my priority list.

Foul trouble

Clyde_Style · Post #491 » by **Clyde_Style** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:07 am

fullermd wrote:Does anyone know why Amare only played 22minutes against Orlando? I did not watch the game< I had more pressing business. Since I spent a little coin going to OKC for the Knicks game, and they performed so poorly, I have dropped the team to a much lower level on my priority list.

Kane shared that they felt Amare fouled in order to get off the floor, just as you observed in person in OKC.

ctorres · Post #492 » by **ctorres** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:10 am

What bothers me about Stat getting at attitude about him not being #1 dog is that he was the one who wanted his bff Melo on this team. He asked for it.

TKF · Post #493 » by **TKF** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:11 am

Capn'O wrote:Kane - I see what you see.

From Amar'e's perspective...

- He's no longer top dog
- Brass looked to trade him for Paul in the offseason
- Dudes didn't come to his camp
- Asshat fans have turned on him
- Now some rook is eating from his dish

Now, I'm not saying he's completely justified... but he mad. This was his team last year and the tide has turned on him. Somebody from upstairs really needs to sit down with this guy and tell him he's wanted here and that we need him to be Leader Stat. This could become a real problem.

i AM SURE all of the melo hoopla had to get under his skin.. the "coming home" video, all of the attention, had to do something to him.. I mean amare came here when lebron thumbed his nose at us.. he had a team where he was leader....and now he is second fiddle..

but I will say this, amare had a chance to stand behind the young guys early last year, and he kind of threw the young guys under the bus, when all of the trade talk was going on, amare should have stood tall with his guys and backed them 100% , instead he talked about how young they were, as if it were a problem...

Post #494 » by **kane2021** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:12 am

Capn'O wrote:Kane - I see what you see.

From Amar'e's perspective...

- He's no longer top dog
- Brass looked to trade him for Paul in the offseason
- Dudes didn't come to his camp
- Asshat fans have turned on him
- Now some rook is eating from his dish

Now, I'm not saying he's completely justified... but he mad. This was his team last year and the tide has turned on him. Somebody from upstairs really needs to sit down with this guy and tell him he's wanted here and that we need him to be Leader Stat. This could become a real problem.

Yeah man. We on the same page. Its kind of understandable but I dont like it. I really think he has a bug up his ass. And im worried that with the current state of the team, this could start to boil.

If we end up with a problem in the locker room we can forget it.

Fat Kat · Post #495 » by **Fat Kat** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:14 am

ctorres wrote:What bothers me about Stat getting at attitude about him not being #1 dog is that he was the one who wanted his bff Melo on this team. He asked for it.

So we go from theory to fact that fast? Don't crucify the man based on a messageboard poster's opinion. :lol:

ctorres · Post #496 » by **ctorres** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:14 am

kane2021 wrote:
If we end up with a problem in the locker room we can forget it.

It will only be a matter of time until Adrian Wojnarowski writes an article about it. I'm surprised no one has yet. It's such an easy one to garner views.

Post #497 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:15 am

TKF wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Kane - I see what you see.

From Amar'e's perspective...

- He's no longer top dog
- Brass looked to trade him for Paul in the offseason
- Dudes didn't come to his camp
- Asshat fans have turned on him
- Now some rook is eating from his dish

Now, I'm not saying he's completely justified... but he mad. This was his team last year and the tide has turned on him. Somebody from upstairs really needs to sit down with this guy and tell him he's wanted here and that we need him to be Leader Stat. This could become a real problem.

i AM SURE all of the melo hoopla had to get under his skin.. the "coming home" video, all of the attention, had to do something to him.. I mean amare came here when lebron thumbed his nose at us.. he had a team where he was leader....and now he is second fiddle..

but I will say this, amare had a chance to stand behind the young guys early last year, and he kind of threw the young guys under the bus, when all of the trade talk was going on, amare should have stood tall with his guys and backed them 100% , instead he talked about how young they were, as if it were a problem...

I hear you. Amar'e is not blameless. Far from it. The camp business this offseason was a doggone JOKE as well.

But blame schlame. We need to figure out how to get this guy to PLAY and take ownership back! From a management perspective you need to calm this guy right now and get his head in the right place. We need MANAGERS! Grunwald? D'Antoni? Somebody!

Pharmcat · Post #498 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:16 am

if amare is throwing a fit, trade him

build around TC and melo

Post #499 » by **kane2021** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:17 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
fullermd wrote:Does anyone know why Amare only played 22minutes against Orlando? I did not watch the game< I had more pressing business. Since I spent a little coin going to OKC for the Knicks game, and they performed so poorly, I have dropped the team to a much lower level on my priority list.

Kane shared that they felt Amare fouled in order to get off the floor, just as you observed in person in OKC.

Yeah Clyde. And trust me, I dont want to think that. I really dont. But I cant help it.

Post #500 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:18 am

kane2021 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Kane - I see what you see.

From Amar'e's perspective...

- He's no longer top dog
- Brass looked to trade him for Paul in the offseason
- Dudes didn't come to his camp
- Asshat fans have turned on him
- Now some rook is eating from his dish

Now, I'm not saying he's completely justified... but he mad. This was his team last year and the tide has turned on him. Somebody from upstairs really needs to sit down with this guy and tell him he's wanted here and that we need him to be Leader Stat. This could become a real problem.

Yeah man. We on the same page. Its kind of understandable but I dont like it. I really think he has a bug up his ass. And im worried that with the current state of the team, this could start to boil.

If we end up with a problem in the locker room we can forget it.

He totally does. But these bugs can be dislodged with good communication and leadership from management. Amar'e's being a brat but we've seen what he can be when on the right page.

For all the braintrust going on in our FO do we STILL not have that? Can you imagine this going on this long with DW in charge?!