Slather me, Lather me, Blather me - 2011 Draft Thread 5

theboomking · Post #1181 » by **theboomking** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:00 am

If Beal isn't available, Austin RIvers could also be a great pick. Rivers has an unorthodox shot that reminds me a bit of Reggie Miller's shot. His first step is fantastic, but more than that, Rivers just seems to have the handle, the crossover, the hips, and some of that Jordan Crawford herky-jerk that allow him to penetrate at will. Miller just seems to have that incredible feel for scoring in every way, that very few have. I don't like him as much as Beal, but I could see Miller really taking our offense up a notch.

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theboomking · Post #1182 » by **theboomking** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:22 am

Sorry for the double post. Found this on another board.

From Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports:
An NBA scout gushing over UNC's Harrison Barnes battling KDurant at Chicago camp last night. "Top pick in the next draft -- by far," he says
http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/st...53066812485634

fishercob · Post #1183 » by **fishercob** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:52 pm

Impressive stuff from Austin Rivers indeed. This next draft is really looking nice at the top.

OK, we need a 2012 draft thread...

theboomking · Post #1184 » by **theboomking** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:43 pm

fishercob wrote:Impressive stuff from Austin Rivers indeed. This next draft is really looking nice at the top.

OK, we need a 2012 draft thread...

Can we start one and port over all of the 2012 posts from the last couple of days?

fishercob · Post #1185 » by **fishercob** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:53 am

I find it shocking that Bismack Biyombo isn't dominating at the NBA level after blocking a bunch of shots at the Nike Hoops Summit.

pancakes3 · Post #1186 » by **pancakes3** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:58 am

doing better than seraphin. last year's draft was just dreadful.

fishercob · Post #1187 » by **fishercob** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:03 am

pancakes3 wrote:doing better than seraphin. last year's draft was just dreadful.

Biyombo was taken 7th overall. People here were SURE he'd be the next Ben Wallace -- a super rich man's Seraphin.

But yeah, the '11 draft seems to have been correctly pegged as pretty weak. Irving looks good -- the Cavs made the right choice. Outside of him, the most productive rookies are Kemba, Kawhi Leonard and Marshon Brooks.

tontoz · Post #1188 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:29 am

fishercob wrote:I find it shocking that Bismack Biyombo isn't dominating at the NBA level after blocking a bunch of shots at the Nike Hoops Summit.

To be fair BB is 2nd in blocks per 48 minutes.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... vg48Blocks

He can't seem to do anything else though.

7-Day Dray · Post #1189 » by **7-Day Dray** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:34 am

fishercob wrote:I find it shocking that Bismack Biyombo isn't dominating at the NBA level after blocking a bunch of shots at the Nike Hoops Summit.

Everyone knew he was a project. Did you really think he would burst onto the seen this year?

I wouldn't have taken him in the lottery though. He was a foul machine in the ACB, and while he had great physical tools for a defender, he was very raw on that end. And he has no offensive game whatsoever. In the end, I think he'll be another guy that GMs went crazy over because of his wingspan and athleticism, but will fade into distant memory in a few years ala Saer Sene.

fishercob · Post #1190 » by **fishercob** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:15 am

7-Day Dray wrote:
fishercob wrote:I find it shocking that Bismack Biyombo isn't dominating at the NBA level after blocking a bunch of shots at the Nike Hoops Summit.

Everyone knew he was a project. Did you really think he would burst onto the seen this year?

No. I'm mocking those who spoke with MLK-like conviction that did.

closg00 · Post #1191 » by **closg00** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:52 am

Funny, I was looking for this thread a few hours ago to compare notes on the conventional wisdom of the board then and now.

Re: Biyombo, that makes two Eastern teams that selected foreign projects too-early in the draft.
In fairness, Biyombo is further-down in the rotation because the Cat's lucked into getting "Mullen" who has performed pretty well. So-far it looks like there is a nice group on contributors coming out of this draft and it's still early.

Jazzfan12 · Post #1192 » by **Jazzfan12** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:26 am

7-Day Dray wrote:
fishercob wrote:I find it shocking that Bismack Biyombo isn't dominating at the NBA level after blocking a bunch of shots at the Nike Hoops Summit.

Everyone knew he was a project. Did you really think he would burst onto the seen this year?

I wouldn't have taken him in the lottery though. He was a foul machine in the ACB, and while he had great physical tools for a defender, he was very raw on that end. And he has no offensive game whatsoever. In the end, I think he'll be another guy that GMs went crazy over because of his wingspan and athleticism, but will fade into distant memory in a few years ala Saer Sene.

He averaged two fouls a game in the ACB.

7-Day Dray · Post #1193 » by **7-Day Dray** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:33 am

Jazzfan12 wrote:
7-Day Dray wrote:
fishercob wrote:I find it shocking that Bismack Biyombo isn't dominating at the NBA level after blocking a bunch of shots at the Nike Hoops Summit.

Everyone knew he was a project. Did you really think he would burst onto the seen this year?

I wouldn't have taken him in the lottery though. He was a foul machine in the ACB, and while he had great physical tools for a defender, he was very raw on that end. And he has no offensive game whatsoever. In the end, I think he'll be another guy that GMs went crazy over because of his wingspan and athleticism, but will fade into distant memory in a few years ala Saer Sene.

He averaged two fouls a game in the ACB.

That was with limited minutes. He Plays with incredible energy, but his energy leads to him being extremely foul and mistake prone though. He moves his feet, but bails his opponents out with unnecessary contact. Bites on fakes a lot, and tries to block everything. hE Doesn’t really play fundamental man-to-man defense right now. He Has to improve his IQ and fundamentals to be more than a shotblocker.

closg00 · Post #1194 » by **closg00** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:11 am

Current Rankings
Rank Status
1 -- Kyrie Irving
2 -- Ricky Rubio
3 -- MarShon Brooks
4 -- Iman Shumpert
5 -- Kemba Walker
6 -- Brandon Knight
7 NR Kawhi Leonard
8 -- Jon Leuer
9 -- Markieff Morris
10 NR Chandler Parsons

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

Board-members wanted 6^ of the current top-10 rookies on the Wizards with our picks pre-draft. Rubio & Irving don't really count because Irving was going #1 and Rubio wasn't in the draft. I don't recall a board member wanting to select Knight with our 6th pick.

We've got some good evaluators on-board :thumbsup:

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1195 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:33 am

fishercob wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:doing better than seraphin. last year's draft was just dreadful.

Biyombo was taken 7th overall. People here were SURE he'd be the next Ben Wallace -- a super rich man's Seraphin.

But yeah, the '11 draft seems to have been correctly pegged as pretty weak. Irving looks good -- the Cavs made the right choice. Outside of him, the most productive rookies are Kemba, Kawhi Leonard and Marshon Brooks.

I still think Biyombo will be a Ben Wallace type, but taller and with better offense.

I remember when Ben Wallace was a Wizard. He rarely played behind Juwan and C Webb. He got traded in the Ike Austin deal. Before he was traded, I remember looking at Stats Inc back in the day. Ben Wallace was a terrific per-minute rebounder and a great shot blocker from day one.

In bringing up Wallace, recall Wallace didn't even impress until he went to the Pistons and played alongside Rasheed.

A guy like Biyombo will need to play with a stretch 4. Right now, Biyombo spells BJ Mullen at C. I think they probably can play together some.

hands11 · Post #1196 » by **hands11** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:16 am

I hated that the Wizard let Ben Wallace go that year.

He was actually my favorite Wizard back then.

As for that list, I wanted Brooks mainly with Morris taken with the first pick in a trade down so I would say I did pretty well. Wanted Curry or stash Rubio and that draft year.

But who gets out to the quickest start doesn't always say who is the best longer term. Big can take longer. But I don't think Brooks will go anywhere but up from here.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1197 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:32 am

In the tank scenario I've come to a conclusion based on the last few games. Davis is the prize in the draft but now I put Thomas Robinson as the clear cut #2.

Robinson's rebounding has been terrific against every top team. He's just a way better athlete than Sullinger. He's a better defender. Now, if the pick came between Robinson and Sullinger I have no problem saying Robinson is better. I would put Sullinger after Michael Kidd Gilchrist and possibly behind Jeremy Lamb. I also like John Henson and the younger Zeller, Cody pretty high in the lottery.

The most underrated players right now IMO are Quincy Miller (better than Perry Jones III), Kevin Jones, Ricardo Ratliff, Scott Machado, and JaMychal Green.

Aside from Barnes and Jones III, I think Festus Ezell is terribly overrated.

doc.end · Post #1198 » by **doc.end** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:48 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
fishercob wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:doing better than seraphin. last year's draft was just dreadful.

Biyombo was taken 7th overall. People here were SURE he'd be the next Ben Wallace -- a super rich man's Seraphin.

But yeah, the '11 draft seems to have been correctly pegged as pretty weak. Irving looks good -- the Cavs made the right choice. Outside of him, the most productive rookies are Kemba, Kawhi Leonard and Marshon Brooks.

I still think Biyombo will be a Ben Wallace type, but taller and with better offense.

I remember when Ben Wallace was a Wizard. He rarely played behind Juwan and C Webb. He got traded in the Ike Austin deal. Before he was traded, I remember looking at Stats Inc back in the day. Ben Wallace was a terrific per-minute rebounder and a great shot blocker from day one.

In bringing up Wallace, recall Wallace didn't even impress until he went to the Pistons and played alongside Rasheed.

A guy like Biyombo will need to play with a stretch 4. Right now, Biyombo spells BJ Mullen at C. I think they probably can play together some.

They should but
1) Silas chooses strange rotations
2) partially because front office, he simply has to play Thomas because of his contract and that leaves only one big man starting spot, unless Bobcats are willing to slide Tyrus Thomas to SF once more - it wasn't pretty, but he doesn't play much better at PF either.

doc.end · Post #1199 » by **doc.end** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:01 pm

Biyombo is doing well, I get posts here are few days old, but still. Considering his age (no pun), no training camp - I mean no training with the team at all because of contract issues with Fuenlabrada, no reputation as a rookie wetc. he is doign pretty well. Bobcats have numerous power forwards and somehow Silas didn't consider him as a center, so he didn't paly a lot initially. As he still comes from bench and wouldn't play many minutes either way, he doesn't have to care about fouls that much, but for a shot blocker he is doing pretty well, had 5 fouls only twice. He is very effective on offense and recently has demanded the ball and showed some post moves, hooks included. Check his last 5 games stats, he is doing pretty well and i would still picked him over any other big man from his draft. He has potential to be really impactful player, showed he can handle Dwight Howard pretty well for a rookie, including getting a double double on him, frustrating him, getting in foul trouble in spite of star treatment. He will have some off games, but he is promising, his balock pwer fould ratio is pretty good, he is very active, well i don't want to overdo it but I am very happy with the pick moreover with that trade Cho mastered to get that pick to pick him just before Pistons would idd with the very next pick.

doc.end · Post #1200 » by **doc.end** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:02 pm

Who should Wizards pick with the very first pick (assuming Drummond stays in draft)? I mean without clearly defined positions, are there even any positional needs?