Clippers now on Dwight Howard

Frank Mulely · Post #141 » by **Frank Mulely** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:43 am

at Clips fans proposing Howard trades that don't include Blake.

I must be missing something here because on paper the Clippers should do this trade immediately.

sfernald · Post #142 » by **sfernald** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:45 am

I think the way Orlando is playing, it is looking like they will end up being a playoff contender and will probably decide to not trade Dwight, but rather try to make as strong a playoff run as possible. This is in hopes of convincing him to stay. When/If this fails and it reaches the offseason and assuming Dwight still decides he wants out, then it is all over for Orlando and Dwight goes exactly where he wants to go and Orlando has no say anymore. I really think that, in Orlando's mind, they attach a greater value to 18 million in free capspace AND one last run at the championship over any team's trash that would be given to them at the deadline (ie, Lopez , Bynum, DeAndre, Noah, etc).

At that point Dwight will look over his options and decide where he wants to go. He will pick the exact team he wants. That's why the Clippers should just continue to work on being the most fun and best team they possibly can. They want to be the best fit for him and the most attractive option. With CP3 and Blake, they will be right up there. Clearly Dwight is intrigued with them. There's no way they are stupid enough to trade for him during the trade deadline because of this.

If he chooses the Clippers, then they will come up with an offer for Orlando. It will be something minimal like DeAndre and Gomes.

If Orlando is stupid enough to balk, then they get cut out completely. Clippers simply deal DeAndre to a team like Golden State for capspace and a 1st. Done in a heartbeat. Trade Mo for capspace to a team with an exception like the lakers. Might be tricky, but still definitely doable, especially cause Mo will be an expiring then. Finally they amnesty Gomes. That's it. Then they sign Dwight and resign their vets like Chauncey and fill out their roster with all their many exceptions. Nothing about the plan is difficult really. And other team chosen (expect probably lakers) probably could manage the same thing.

It is all dependent on whom Dwight chooses. Between the four teams on his "wish list", in terms of desirability, I would rank them as follows:

Lakers > Clippers > Dallas > Nets

Lakers have all the prestige, but I think the fact Dwight doesn't want to follow in the footsteps of Shaq hurts. Plus, they are ruled out if he isn't traded before the deadline, because it's just not possible for them to get under the cap unless they amnesty Kobe.

Dallas is a well managed contender, but they are an old team in a smaller market. Maybe not the best choice.

Nets have a rich owner and new Arena and new identity in Brooklyn. Lots to like there. But the team is sooo bad this year, I think it might scare him away. He really wants to go to a contender, not a rebuilding project.

Therefore, by default, the Clippers are really his best choice at this point. Not to say that tomorrow if he adds Okc and Chicago to the list, that that wouldn't change the dynamics considerably.

Frank Mulely · Post #143 » by **Frank Mulely** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:49 am

butimnotarapper wrote:I think one thing people aren't considering is that trading your star player while your team is having success is kind of shady. It might affect players' willingness to sign with an organization with no sense of job security, and other things of that nature. From a purely basketball standpoint, it seems like a no-brainer

Good point. Clippers management wouldn't want to risk tarnishing their image and appear shady.

:lol:

TRWJINC · Post #144 » by **TRWJINC** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:02 am

Don't count out Chicago

Noah+Deng+Korver + 2 1st rounders for Howard and Turk

Rose - CJ - JL3
Rip - Butler
Brewer - Turk
Boozer - Gibson - Scalabrine
Howard - Asik

The Real Dalic · Post #145 » by **The Real Dalic** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:02 am

SubyWill wrote:If the Clippers don't trade Griffin, they're not getting Dwight. Period.

The Real Dalic · Post #146 » by **The Real Dalic** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:03 am

TRWJINC wrote:Don't count out Chicago

Noah+Deng+Korver + 2 1st rounders for Howard and Turk

Rose - CJ - JL3
Rip - Butler
Brewer - Turk
Boozer - Gibson - Scalabrine
Howard - Asik

I personally wouldn't hate this trade if you also threw in Gibson.

The Real Dalic · Post #147 » by **The Real Dalic** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:03 am

^ Even though Noah isn't playing the best right now.

TRWJINC · Post #148 » by **TRWJINC** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:57 am

The Real Dalic wrote:
TRWJINC wrote:Don't count out Chicago

Noah+Deng+Korver + 2 1st rounders for Howard and Turk

Rose - CJ - JL3
Rip - Butler
Brewer - Turk
Boozer - Gibson - Scalabrine
Howard - Asik

I personally wouldn't hate this trade if you also threw in Gibson.

Gibson is a needed player with Boozer's injury history

ed4knicks · Post #149 » by **ed4knicks** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:08 am

lol howard... he choose easy mode to win ring.

The Real Dalic · Post #150 » by **The Real Dalic** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:39 am

TRWJINC wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:
TRWJINC wrote:Don't count out Chicago

Noah+Deng+Korver + 2 1st rounders for Howard and Turk

Rose - CJ - JL3
Rip - Butler
Brewer - Turk
Boozer - Gibson - Scalabrine
Howard - Asik

I personally wouldn't hate this trade if you also threw in Gibson.

Gibson is a needed player with Boozer's injury history

Well, you still have Scal :wink:

Archerbro · Post #151 » by **Archerbro** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:43 am

clippertown wrote:Whilst its not exactly a lateral move, a Griffin for Dwight trade would not be such a godsend for the Clippers. Griffin is like our messiah - out fo the darkness into the light kind of thing. Plus, griffin is way more than any other team can offer. Its just not worth it - even though we would probably win more games in the long run.

We need to deal with the situation at hand. Dwight is leaving and only a handful of teams are in the running to get him. No way Orlando gets fair value under these pre-conditions.

Dwight wants to play with Paul and Griffin. If thats what he really wants, then that is what will eventually happen. We can easily trade Jordan and Gomes for capspace and thereby afford Dwight on the open market. Orlando will cooperate or they risk falling into the Toronto / Cleveland trap. Right now the Clippers have all the leverage. They are making basketball fun to watch again. Dwight wants to be a part of that and who can really blame him?

You can't easily move gomes when has 8m left on his contract. Amnesty? yes.
Magic can probably sign and trade Dwight also in the summer, and I'm sure the laker's offer of bynum will still be there, possibly some add ins.

Mahoney · Post #152 » by **Mahoney** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:53 am

Next Hollywood team that goes on a streak: Dwight adds it to his list.

HB2 · Post #153 » by **HB2** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:47 am

I am getting pissed of by these prima donnas who want to play with their friends because 20 million dollars in a nice city with a reasonably good teams is not good enough... If some of these players would put the time they spend creating their "wish lists" into improving their game they wouldn't need to jump the ship

TRWJINC · Post #154 » by **TRWJINC** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:24 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:Well, you still have Scal

Dont't know how the guy ever made it into the league. Let Alone getting a big contract from boston.

Jugs · Post #155 » by **Jugs** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:45 pm

Clippers dont have enough assets. Dwight is having a pipe dream similar to Laker fan's pipe dream of getting Dwight

FlightNumber23 · Post #156 » by **FlightNumber23** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:15 pm

why is everybody saying that HAVE to offer Griffen. No they dont. Howard is leaving at the end of the season as a FA and they will get nothing. Just like the Cavs got nothing for lebron because he refused to say where he wanted to go so we couldnt even trade him. The Magic would trade him in a heartbeat for a below average offer then just letting him walk for nothing. I can honestly see them trading Mo williams, Deandre Jordan and 2 first round picks. I see this as a very fair offer considering its a lot better then nothing at all. Teams like Chicago and LA have ALL of the leverage over the Magic.

WeAreVenom · Post #157 » by **WeAreVenom** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:44 pm

FlightNumber23 wrote:why is everybody saying that HAVE to offer Griffen. No they dont. Howard is leaving at the end of the season as a FA and they will get nothing. Just like the Cavs got nothing for lebron because he refused to say where he wanted to go so we couldnt even trade him. The Magic would trade him in a heartbeat for a below average offer then just letting him walk for nothing. I can honestly see them trading Mo williams, Deandre Jordan and 2 first round picks. I see this as a very fair offer considering its a lot better then nothing at all. Teams like Chicago and LA have ALL of the leverage over the Magic.

That would be true if the CLippers were Dwight's only request. They're not even first on his list.

Hell, they weren't even on his list until 2 days ago.

AND, NJ and LAL can both easily top any offer that doesn't include Griffin. Bynum/Gasol tops that offer, Lopez/Brooks/First tops that offer.......hell, Lopez/Brooks or Lopez/1st alone tops that offer. Jordan is overpaid, you act as if they are doing us a favor.

Ettorefm · Post #158 » by **Ettorefm** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:50 pm

The Clippers can sign Dwight as a free agent, I guess
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They'll be at 49 million next season. Mo has a player option, but they can just amnesty him. 8 million off the books
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41 million. The cap is at 58 million right? They can sign him
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They can even trade Jordan and get a TPE to offer dwight max money

Cigamodnalro · Post #159 » by **Cigamodnalro** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:58 pm

Ettorefm wrote:The Clippers can sign Dwight as a free agent, I guess
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They'll be at 49 million next season. Mo has a player option, but they can just amnesty him. 8 million off the books
.
41 million. The cap is at 58 million right? They can sign him
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They can even trade Jordan and get a TPE to offer dwight max money

Hasn't the amnesty option expired?

Ettorefm · Post #160 » by **Ettorefm** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:00 pm

They have the rights to amnesty one player for the duration of the CBA, and can only amnesty players they had when the CBA started
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Which means Mo can be amnestied. But only next season, exactly when Dwight becomes a free agent.