Beefs with Adelman

[john2jer]

Are we seriously doing this?

12 games into a lockout shortened season where the new coach did not even get a full pre-season or training camp to work with the guys?

Even I gave Rambis a full season before I called for his head.

My god.

This.

I think I'll trust the HOF coach over a random rube.

And this.

Adelman has forgotten more about the game of basketball in the last 5 minutes than most RealGMers have ever known in their lifetime.

[shangrila]

I don't think there's anything wrong with asking a question, especially on a forum. Do we give him the benefit of the doubt? Yeah, for obvious reasons. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about how he's done so far.

[C.lupus]

Sure we can discuss it but this board has gotten quite whiny lately. Don't really understand why myself but anyways...

1. Minute distribution - I know we are very injured right now, but our guys are gassed and I refuse to believe that throwing AR15, Pek, Darko, Williams, or Wes out there for an extra 5 minutes to give Love and Rubes a break would cost us any games we weren't going to lose anyway.
Besides, running Love (And Rubio) into the ground this early is ominous. I just don't like it.

Throwing AR15, Pek, Darko, Williams, or Wes out there doesn't help relieving Rubio of minutes. Throwing Barea or Lee out would do that but, oh wait, they are injured.

2. Infatuation with hustle guys - I hate Tolliver. I used to love him as a 10th man or fill-in guy if the other bench guys weren't producing. Now, the guys just needs to sit down. Tolly is the #1 reason we are getting out-rebounded in games, with Kevin Love being gassed as the #2 reason. I know Darko/Pek/Randolph aren't much of an upgrade, but they are a decent enough upgrade...and Derrick Williams is by and large an upgrade.

IDK, hustle guy or heartless guys like Wes and Darko. I'll take the hustle guy.

3. The drawn out "evaluation process" excuse. It just doesn't take this long to know Rubio helps us win games and should start, get some decent breaks, and finish the game. Also, how can you say he's trying to figure out who works well together when he plays the same lineups all the time? It may have been the correct move to wait, but I'm still going to question it.

I think he's done evaluating for the most part. He's already made a couple lineup changes. He just doesn't have many options right now.

[Esohny]

Stop being whiny about people being whiny.

[john2jer]

I don't think there's anything wrong with asking a question, especially on a forum. Do we give him the benefit of the doubt? Yeah, for obvious reasons. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about how he's done so far.

No more talky talky.

Stop being whiny about people being whiny.

You shut your face.

[dunkonu21]

I'm SUPER mad at Adelman for taking so long to become our coach.

[Devilzsidewalk]

For development and evaluation i'd like to see him play Williams at the 3 o/w more Love/Williams at the 5/4. Other than that, only so much you can do with this roster. Shuffle around players all you want, theres no difference makers other than Love/Rubio.

Also I'd like more clearouts w/ Pek in the low post and Randolph getting some face up looks in the mid post. Having Pek set picks is a nightmare and Randolph is always position too far from the basket and his long range jumper is always off.

[C.lupus]

For development and evaluation i'd like to see him play Williams at the 3 o/w more Love/Williams at the 5/4. Other than that, only so much you can do with this roster. Shuffle around players all you want, theres no difference makers other than Love/Rubio.

Bingo.

We should have a Beefs with Kahn thread if anything. We needs some trade action pronto.

[Esohny]

For development and evaluation i'd like to see him play Williams at the 3 o/w more Love/Williams at the 5/4. Other than that, only so much you can do with this roster. Shuffle around players all you want, theres no difference makers other than Love/Rubio.

Bingo.

We should have a Beefs with Kahn thread if anything. We needs some trade action pronto.

A bunch of people complain when that subject comes up too.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I think Kahn has done a dreadful job and it bugs me how weak our roster is, but making the trade that got us Rubio is such a trump card.

Overall, I'm not one that thinks i could've done a better job though, so I try not to push it. I thought both Thabeet and Flynn had some NBA potential so i clearly have no great insight into the draft. I just hope Williams can be a good scorer, at least Antawn Jamison-ish, then I'll be happy.

[Narf]

I think Kahn has done a dreadful job and it bugs me how weak our roster is, but making the trade that got us Rubio is such a trump card.

Overall, I'm not one that thinks i could've done a better job though, so I try not to push it. I thought both Thabeet and Flynn had some NBA potential so i clearly have no great insight into the draft. I just hope Williams can be a good scorer, at least Antawn Jamison-ish, then I'll be happy.

IMO, having Adelman will help Kahn's future decision making. Adelman is now our top NBA evaluator. Kahn's a great numbers guy and schmoozer, so it seems like a good fit.

[younggunsmn]

I got your back breakdown. I agree with your points.

Just because what you disagree with some of the things your coach does doesn't mean you are throwing him under the bus. That kind of hyperbole is ridiculous.

I agree with alot of what adelman is doing. He's a great x's and o's guy, patient, is much better at teaching defense than I thought he'd be (though rubio has something to do with that).

I don't understand playing Love the entire 2nd half on back to back nights. I don't think it helped us having a gassed love shoot 0-5 in the 4th vs the hawks and give up offensive boards to ivan the terrible. Is there an ulterior motive (getting love used to playing tired/in better shape)?
Do we get him lightheaded and near passing out and then hand him a pen to sign his max-contract while he is out of it?
I don't like Tolliver and would like WIlliams to get more burn. Don't like the small lineups with poor rebounding when we are ahead late.

Geeze maybe we should have a praise adelman thread next to the beef with adelman thread.
If people weren't allowed to whine about rotations/playing time this site would lose 1/4 it's traffic.

[Klomp]

--Adelman said he liked the physical presence Nikola Pekovic has brought to the Wolves in the last two games. He will continue to get time when the Wolves are dealing with a strong, physical post presence. "He is going to be around the basket," Adelman said. "He sets good, hard picks and he's going to be a physical presence. I thought he made a difference against (Sacramento's DeMarcus) Cousins last night."

--Adelman said he is concerned with the minutes Love is playing. Love ranks first in the league in minutes played per game (39.6 minutes) and has played more than 40 minutes in each of the Wolves' last three games. Problem is, when he takes Love out, the Wolves usually struggle. "I've probably played him more than I'd like," Adelman said. "But ... last night, I took him out for a pretty good stretch, and we lost eight, 10 points really quick. So it's hard."

--The Wolves are now 2-3 with Ricky Rubio in the starting lineup. But Rubio's expanded minutes also have Adelman concerned. The return of Barea should help with that. Love, meanwhile, talked about how well the offense is working with Rubio running it as a starter. "This is some of the best basketball, at least on the offensive end, that we've been playing," Love said.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/137511438.html

[Breakdown777]

First of all, I'm not some "random rube". Random? I post here almost everyday. I usually don't start threads as mine usually don't get lots of activity. Looks like I've finally found a Hot Button to generate some discussion.

I don't see any problem with having a thread to gripe about what our coach is doing. As others have said, that has made up a good chunk of what we've done here in the past. Maybe I should've titled the thread "minor criticisms of the all-mighty and wise Rick Adelman." "Beefs" was too strong of a term I guess?

I could've given more reasons for my gripes, but when I make posts too long they tend to not get read/responded to.

- I'm aware we're injured. I even mentioned it in the OP. That doesn't mean Ridnour has to gobble up minutes at SG so Rubio has to play PG for less than ideal stretches. And yes, I wouldn't mind seeing Wes get more burn. He's not that bad. This same this happened with Corey Brewer. This team expects us to have an above and beyond 2guard for some reason. Looking around the league, I see lots of defensive specialists playings SG. I think Wes has more potential than many of them.

- I'm a bit taken aback by the knee-jerk reactions from so many. What is the reason for everyone to make mountains out of mole-hills? I didn't mean to bash Adelman relentlessly, I just had some issues I was wondering if anyone else had.

- My bad on the Bargs quote. I forgot Toronto was getting blown out. We've been in so many close ones that it is difficult to bench your best players. Thanks to those for enlightening me.

Adelman said he liked the physical presence Nikola Pekovic has brought to the Wolves in the last two games. He will continue to get time when the Wolves are dealing with a strong, physical post presence. "He is going to be around the basket," Adelman said. "He sets good, hard picks and he's going to be a physical presence. I thought he made a difference against (Sacramento's DeMarcus) Cousins last night."

Now I have another thing to call him out on. I'm not going to pretend like we knew how healthy/ready Pek was, but many of us were calling for this awhile ago. Low and behold, Pek- albeit foul prone- is a force against bigger lineups!
I've seen lots of other coaches tinker with rotations and lineups more than us, when I feel like we could really use it. I'm not seeing it as much as I'd like.

--Adelman said he is concerned with the minutes Love is playing. Love ranks first in the league in minutes played per game (39.6 minutes) and has played more than 40 minutes in each of the Wolves' last three games. Problem is, when he takes Love out, the Wolves usually struggle. "I've probably played him more than I'd like," Adelman said. "But ... last night, I took him out for a pretty good stretch, and we lost eight, 10 points really quick. So it's hard."

I'm glad to hear this. Calling back to the ATL game, I think anyone with fresher legs for 5 minutes could've produced more during the 4th than Love did.
If I remember correctly, we made our huge run to get back into the game vs. the Bulls with Love on the bench and a completely fresh Rubio/Williams. I guess what I'm saying is I'm not opposed to giving Love some rest (especially during back2backs) in favor of some more Williams.
I'm confident that once Beasley and JJ come back Rubio won't get as winded, but we have a decently healthy PF/C rotation, and Love still sees too many minutes for my liking. Maybe Adelman is more comfortable having Love off the floor with Beasley on it?

I'm not just going to take Adelmans decisions as gospel. You want to disagree? Fine. But please don't act like I'm some troll.