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Jackin up those treys - good or bad thing?

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Jackin up those treys - good or bad thing? 

Post#1 » by WadeInTheWater » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:53 am

Last night was wonderful to watch don't get me wrong. But isn't that exactly what we DON'T want Lebron and co to do when the game is tight?

Jackin up 3 pointers from anywhere and everywhere is what gets the Heat into trouble and is usually a sign of our offense breaking down and Spo not being able to adjust. It worked last night and that was great don't get me wrong, but the 3's should only be shot by our spot shooters (like MM last night) and not one of our star players who should be driving to the basket every chance.

While i'm glad that we sent abit of a message i'm just hoping it's not the same old 'oh when we can't beat the zone let's let Bron and Wade shoot ridiculous 3's and take away everything they do good away from them'
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Post#2 » by EscapoTHB » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:32 pm

I think(hope) Lebron was only shooting 3s because he was absolutely on fire. He didn't shoot the first 3 until the 3rd quarter I think. So long as we are playing inside out, the 3s are good. All of the 3s we shot last night except for Lebron's were the product of great ball movement.

We have the 3 point shooters, we should definitely use them. Rio, Battier, Mike, James are all automatic from behind the stripe. Would be dumb not to use that to space the floor.

Still waiting for Bosh to start really knocking in 3s.
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Post#3 » by Heat_team02 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:20 pm

It will be a good thing when we get players like James Jones & Mike Miller into the flow of things. Teams will pay for playing the zone against us. I hate to beat up on Wade like this but he's going to have to become a 5-6 assist guy, take off the horse blinders when driving & hit the open shooter for us to be more effective against zone defenses. He should not be taking the shot in those situations.
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Re: Jackin up those treys - good or bad thing? 

Post#4 » by Kerosene » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:23 pm

Usually I would be completely against those ill-advised 3s, however Lebron (and Superstars in general) knows when he's got it going and it would be a shame if even then he deferred to others. Last night we witnessed a 3 point barrage that we aren't accustomed to seeing from this Heat team, regardless of the fact, I still believe that our shooters need to take those shots when available.
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Post#5 » by DefenseWins » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:30 pm

I found it hard to believe LeBron would completely abandon his 3 point shooting. It made him more guardable, and limited dimensionally (if that made sense) when he wouldn't hit a 3.

I have a problem when this team jacks up 3's in the 4th AND MISS.


LeBron had it going and knew, I don't mind those.

But if they jack it up for a bail out, that's when it's an issue.

Ex. Game 2 jacking up 3's and losing the grip of the game... (from both Wade and LBJ).
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Post#6 » by sooie92 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:37 pm

DefenseWins wrote:I found it hard to believe LeBron would completely abandon his 3 point shooting. It made him more guardable, and limited dimensionally (if that made sense) when he wouldn't hit a 3.

I have a problem when this team jacks up 3's in the 4th AND MISS.


LeBron had it going and knew, I don't mind those.

But if they jack it up for a bail out, that's when it's an issue.

Ex. Game 2 jacking up 3's and losing the grip of the game... (from both Wade and LBJ).

I agree with your point, I would only like to see LBJ shoot 1 or 2 threes a game.. But when he gets it going like that, keep on jackin. I actually liked LBJ not shooting threes for first couple of games because three pointers are a low % shot. But he should shoot 1 or 2 a game to be less predictable.
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Post#7 » by lolcat » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:42 pm

LeBron only shoots 3s like that when he's onn fire. Just look at his game against a Bucks a couple years back.

I think he should still shoot 3s but only when hes feeling it instead of abandoning the 3 pt shot altogether
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Post#8 » by diablerouge » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:27 pm

honestly, i'd rather have lebron shoot 3s than 22-foot jumpers. it's a long shot anyways, so why not make it count for more? the heat index had an article basically saying that he had replaced his 3s with long 2s - that's not a great trade off. wade is a different case because he doesn't look natural catching and shooting from that far. i'd like wade to pull up more from 10-15 ft like he used to do instead of always going all the way.
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Post#9 » by Kobeoverrated » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:47 pm

As long as these players shoot the threes im fine with it.

Mike Miller
James Jones
Chalmers
Lebron James

These players need to stay away from it.

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Post#10 » by WadeInTheWater » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:07 pm

I agree completely that in Basketball (and not just in the NBA) you must go with the player that's hot and keep feeding him the ball. Having said this LeBron is not Ray Allen who's job it is to make those long shots, he's the complete player and when you start jackin up 3's it can go 2 ways hot or horrible, more often than not it's the latter.

IMO James is at his best when he's freight training to the basket and disregarding any D that he comes up against, if he's doubled while driving he'll draw fouls or he'll dish to someone under the basket and that's what we want.

I don't mind the odd game with him shooting those contested threes but i don't want it to become a habit.
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Re: Jackin up those treys - good or bad thing? 

Post#11 » by kyphi » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:18 pm

JJ and MM should be allowed to shoot 3's during the game - that's why Riley got them. No one else should fall in love with the shot - better to take advantage of their athleticism
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Post#12 » by SideshowBob » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:32 pm

I talked about Lebron cutting the three out of his game in an earlier thread, and it seems to be the same point that Haberstroh made on the the Heat Index not too long ago

As for the three point shooting, I'm not a fan of how he's cut it out. All he's done to make up for it is take more 16-23 footers than before and the three is a more efficient option that will be crucial in the playoffs. Not having it in his arsenal looks good on the stat sheet, because his FG% shoots up, but I think he'd be better suited in the long run taking 1-2 threes a game. He doesn't have to jack up 5 heat checks a game like he used to, but just take a couple to keep the defense honest


If he's reluctant to take threes, another option would be to pull up from 10-15 feet more often, where he's deadly. I think he's much better from here than he is from 16-23 feet, and it's a better shot to take as it gives more opportunities for a rebound, as well as cutting the chance of the opponent triggering a fast break off a long rebound.
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Post#13 » by Pimpwerx » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:18 pm

3s taken that early in the shot clock are heat checks. When a heat check doesn't fall, it's a wasted possession, and as good as a turnover. Stuff like that doesn't belong in our offense unless we're running a big deficit like last night. It was nice last night because Bron got hot, and we made a nice comeback. However, I think we need to leave 3pt shooting to the experts.

I don't mind if Miller becomes a chucker and hucks up a shot everytime he touches the ball. That's his job, to shoot. Bron's job is to attack, and heat checks bailout the opposing defense. If we're up 20, go for it. If we're up 10, stay within the offense. If we're down 10 or more, give one a shot in the flow of the offense, but running down the court to jack one up within 5 seconds is pretty stupid. PEACE.
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Post#14 » by pirate_pr » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:20 pm

You live by the trey or die by it. I dont mind the trey if shots are going in but our team needs to concenrtate on penetrating attacking rim especially Lebron to kick out to our pure three point shooters. Last night against the Spurs he had a rhythm shooting and was making them so it has its exceptions at times. We just cant rely solely on the trey need to maintain ATTACK as the focal point of our game to then effectively execute the trey.
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Post#15 » by imd0pe » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:47 pm

Not worried about it. Lebron isn't that type of player. He won't keep jacking if it's not falling.
However, MM, JJ, Chalmers. Yup shoot it
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Post#16 » by This IsMy House » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:01 pm

Depends on who's taking them. I'm really sick of Bosh taking them, although he did hit that game tying one. Cole is very inconsistent from 3, so I'd prefer him to step in more and get a higher percentage shot off. Battier is really hit or miss, for a while he was awful, but he seems to be getting his shot back. Although he's better inside than from 3, he's been doing a good job knocking them down when he needs to. But Chalmers, Miller, and Jones can shoot whenever they please. Chalmers shot is so much better this year, which is a huge addition for the Heat. When he catches it in stride he's been knocking them down. JJ is just pure nasty from 3 but can't create his own shot so its difficult, but when he's in he's usually deadly. And Miller when healthy, as you can see last night, is lights out. I don't think the team should depend on the 3 to win every game, but its a great addition to have. I don't want Wade and LeBron to resort back to coming down court and just jacking up 3s. But having good 3 point shooters on the court will only help this team by spreading the floor for LeBron, Wade, and Bosh to do their thing.

It can be good when used correctly, but it can also hurt the team. I don't want them to rely on it like Orlando does, but having it in your back pocket is always a plus.
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Post#17 » by CablexDeadpool » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:20 pm

might as well that's the only way i see the Heat putting teams away.
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Post#18 » by kyphi » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:50 pm

CablexDeadpool wrote:might as well that's the only way i see the Heat putting teams away.


You might want to have your vision checked
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Post#19 » by broke » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:28 am

while our shooters are making them i dont mind. MM 100% 3ptfg% so far :lol:
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Post#20 » by FlashTheKilla » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:33 pm

If LeBron remains selective about jacking up the threes, I'm more than okay with it.

Example:

If he goes 0-2 from three in the first half, I want him to stop.
If he goes 1-2 from three in the first half, fine LeBron, you can have another one.
If he goes 2-2 from three in the first half, god damnit keep shooting 'em.

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