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Post#41 » by parson » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:40 pm

Proof Kobe Bryant cannot shoot:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws2yhBzJjis[/youtube]


Proof Vince Carter couldn't dunk in college:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e0yaSQuej8[/youtube]


Proof Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippin could not run a fast break:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oin4veUTbH4&feature=related[/youtube]



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Post#42 » by SirHuey » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:59 pm

T-Mac on his talks with Josh: “I’ve been in his ear and telling him how he can be more effective on the basketball court. He’s one of the guys that has a high basketball IQ. He’s a good passer, he’s very athletic. At his position there are not too many guys like that. The thing about him is he has to really see the flow of the game and know what we need from him and that’s be aggressive and get to the free-throw line. That’s how you get your [scoring] average up in this league. A guy with his ability, he should shoot 8 to 10 free throws per game. I think he’s taking notice.”
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Post#43 » by johnny878 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:03 am

uh oh ruhiel didnt you say that Josh could only play against horrible front courts and Smith was going to get crushed by Aldridge?!?

17 -11 with 3 blocks and 2 steals is really get crushed....All-star calibre game
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Post#44 » by Ruhiel » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:51 am

johnny878 wrote:uh oh ruhiel didnt you say that Josh could only play against horrible front courts and Smith was going to get crushed by Aldridge?!?

17 -11 with 3 blocks and 2 steals is really get crushed....All-star calibre game


I guess I gave Aldridge too much credit offensively. But defensively no. I watched the game Josh offensively struggled to get anything in the post. He had a very very nice hook shot.

But other than that....post ups... He could not back Aldridge down and could not beat his length off the dribble for a clean look. 28 pts vs TOR is easier than 17 pts against POR.

And then he had 8 pts vs Love.


Aldridge was pushing Smith to catch the ball outside to the 3 point line.
Yeah Smith never really got going but still dropped 17 and 11, so that's the scary good part.

His defense on Aldridge was great as well considering the size mismatch. I don't watch Aldridge all that much but does he always fumble passes like that?

His lack of hands at times...
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Post#45 » by parson » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:26 am

Back to the OP, it seems that, with Smith shooting 42% from midrange (and not much else), we're going to win when he's hitting 'em and lose when he's missing 'em.

So, does that mean we're only going to win 42% of the time?
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Post#46 » by Ruhiel » Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:49 am

parson wrote:Back to the OP, it seems that, with Smith shooting 42% from midrange (and not much else), we're going to win when he's hitting 'em and lose when he's missing 'em.

So, does that mean we're only going to win 42% of the time?


There's always the hope Marvin or T-Mac become a go to player and take his touches right?

Right?

Smith struggles to score against Elton Brand was predictable.
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Post#47 » by parson » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:05 am

Ruhiel wrote:Smith struggles to score against Elton Brand was predictable.

I fail to see how Brand had anything to do with Josh Smith missing wide open 2s - many from just inside the 3-pt. line.
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Post#48 » by Ruhiel » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:38 am

parson wrote:
Ruhiel wrote:Smith struggles to score against Elton Brand was predictable.

I fail to see how Brand had anything to do with Josh Smith missing wide open 2s - many from just inside the 3-pt. line.


No one could get anything going inside with Brand patrolling and guards were doubling and milking clock until Smith was left outside.

Same gameplan as always.

Smith cant post up, you know Marvin did his thing vs Meeks and so we're likely losing to elite teams.
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Post#49 » by baseline33 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:52 am

^^^ the whole Josh going for 5-15 shooting is total BS!

if you watched the game, you would see that Josh was hitting his outside jumpshots, but he was missing all his shots in the paint, because for some reason, their was very little motion when Josh took the ball inside and the spacing was horrible.

if anything, Josh was killing it from outside when he was spotting up for a set shot. if i was Drew i would have told Josh to stay on the outside and shoot more of those set shots and tell Teague and TMac to keep pounding it inside.

Josh, consistently hitting outside set jumpshots, and TMac pounding it inside, worked the whole time in the first half, but the Hawks went away from that strategy in the second half for some reason. in the second half the Hawks went with Joe on the outside and putting inside to display a post game, and it was a tragic failure of idiotic basketball IQ.
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Post#50 » by Ruhiel » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:02 am

Where are the easy points? 5-15 and 10 points means Smith had 0 free throw attempts.

We're not athletic enough. Not big enough. No paint points. No FTA. When you have your only athletic guy outside of Teague shooting Jumpers its a fail.

This is a problem year in year out. Where do the Hawks get easy points?
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Post#51 » by azuresou1 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:05 am

Ruhiel wrote:Where are the easy points? 5-15 and 10 points means Smith had 0 free throw attempts.

We're not athletic enough. Not big enough. No paint points. No FTA. When you have your only athletic guy outside of Teague shooting Jumpers its a fail.

This is a problem year in year out. Where do the Hawks get easy points?


The team is built around getting open jumpshots. When they fall, we crush opponents because then they have to closeout, leading to easy slashing opportunities and defenses that are a step behind.

When they don't fall, we get ****ed because then every possession becomes a Joe iso or Smoove postup where everyone else just clears out, leaving us with hard buckets and little chance of grabbing the rebound.

Unfortunately, none of our shooters are consistently deadly enough, nor do we have a dominant inside threat - Horford is a great shooter as a big man, but not from 3, and Smoove can only post up smaller guys; doesn't have the post moves to get bigger guys off balance or in the air.

Don't want to sound like I'm ragging on the team though, all teams have flaws.
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Post#52 » by parson » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:20 am

baseline33 wrote:^^^ the whole Josh going for 5-15 shooting is total BS!

if you watched the game, you would see that Josh was hitting his outside jumpshots, but he was missing all his shots in the paint, because for some reason, their was very little motion when Josh took the ball inside and the spacing was horrible.

if anything, Josh was killing it from outside when he was spotting up for a set shot. if i was Drew i would have told Josh to stay on the outside and shoot more of those set shots and tell Teague and TMac to keep pounding it inside.

Josh, consistently hitting outside set jumpshots, and TMac pounding it inside, worked the whole time in the first half, but the Hawks went away from that strategy in the second half for some reason. in the second half the Hawks went with Joe on the outside and putting inside to display a post game, and it was a tragic failure of idiotic basketball IQ.

You posted this in 2 places. I guess I'll have to show you this from ESPN's shot chart of the game in both places.

Smith shot 3 for 13 outside of the paint and 2 for 2 in the paint.

link: http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart ... =320120020 Just choose "J.Smith" near the top at the Atlanta side.

Of course, they may be wrong....
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