ATL/HOU trade idea

[ATL Boy]

It's been a slow day for me and I saw an idea on the Houston thread for a trade of Horford for Kevin Martin and Jordan Hill; of course no Hawks fan in their right mind would this deal so I modified it.
ATL gets: Dalembert, Kevin Martin, and Houston's 2012 first rounder (unprotected)
Houston gets: Al Horford and filler if needed (I haven't worked the contracts), and if needed our first rounder in 2013 (but if really need be I'd give our 2012 first lotto protected just in case). This would be the best deal we could get for Horford because Kevin Martin is a great player who could play the 2 guard and move Joe to the 3 and Marvin to the bench, or he could be a supersub like Jamal was the last 2 years. And with Dalembert we get a true Center (finally) who is a presence on Defense and him and Josh would a dynamic defensive duo. And most importantly the unprotected 1st, Houston if they do this trade wouldn't make the playoffs and would be a lotto team with a chance at the number 1 pick in this great draft class.

[Ruhiel]

Dalembert is on a 1 year deal, Over 30 and declining due to his lack of commitment to fitness or basketball IQ. So aside from Dalembert. We're giving up picks and getting smaller and more 1 dimensional with Martin.

Jordan Hill could have made a nice backup PF at the outset of season with Zaza but this trade heck no for me.

[ATL Boy]

Dalembert is on a 1 year deal, Over 30 and declining due to his lack of commitment to fitness or basketball IQ. So aside from Dalembert. We're giving up picks and getting smaller and more 1 dimensional with Martin.

Jordan Hill could have made a nice backup PF at the outset of season with Zaza but this trade heck no for me.

And we can easily add size and dimension in this DEEP draft class if this trade goes down; and we're giving up our 1st rounder for an unprotected first rounder this year from a team that would be lotto bound.

[Superiorblogman]

Not a sensible deal.

Dalembert and Doran Gragic for Hinrich and Zaza makes sense

[Xman]

posted this earlier in the C trade thread:

Houston could send a package to make ATL better this year:
Dalembert 7
Scola 8.6
Plus one of: flynn 3.4, JHill 2.85, Dragic 2.1, CLee 2.2)
for
Horford 12.0
salary filler - ZaZa 4.75 (or if other Hou role players added, switch to Marvin 7.5)
Would want to try to get protected #1 also.

ATL could get a center (not sure if there is a dealy on doing this deal since Dalembert signed recently), another big man in Scola to give the team plenty of inside punch and options depending on matchups, and another quality young peice depending on where they need help off the bench (probably pg?).

Houston obviously get Horford for next year. Gets much worse this year = better pick.


The hard part of trading for KMart is he has a 12 mil contract - Scola only is 8.5

The only contracts ATL could really send are ZaZa and/or Marvin to add up to anything significant.
Could do all three (Horford+Marvin 24.25 for KMart 12, Daly 7, Scola 8.5 = 27.5) or some portion.
But, if Rox give up those 3, ATL is giving up a 1st, probably unprotected.

[ATL Boy]

posted this earlier in the C trade thread:

Houston could send a package to make ATL better this year:
Dalembert 7
Scola 8.6
Plus one of: flynn 3.4, JHill 2.85, Dragic 2.1, CLee 2.2)
for
Horford 12.0
salary filler - ZaZa 4.75 (or if other Hou role players added, switch to Marvin 7.5)
Would want to try to get protected #1 also.

ATL could get a center (not sure if there is a dealy on doing this deal since Dalembert signed recently), another big man in Scola to give the team plenty of inside punch and options depending on matchups, and another quality young peice depending on where they need help off the bench (probably pg?).

Houston obviously get Horford for next year. Gets much worse this year = better pick.


The hard part of trading for KMart is he has a 12 mil contract - Scola only is 8.5

The only contracts ATL could really send are ZaZa and/or Marvin to add up to anything significant.
Could do all three (Horford+Marvin 24.25 for KMart 12, Daly 7, Scola 8.5 = 27.5) or some portion.
But, if Rox give up those 3, ATL is giving up a 1st, probably unprotected.

I don't think there's any way we trade Horford to Houston without an unprotected first coming back our way.

[Mr. E]

Dalembert and Doran Gragic for Hinrich and Zaza makes sense

Not for Houston!

[Superiorblogman]

Dalembert and Doran Gragic for Hinrich and Zaza makes sense

Not for Houston!

Uhm, Hinrich is better than Gragic, and Dalembert is on that short term deal because he leaves a lot to be desired attitude wise allegedly. Makes a lot of sense

[Ruhiel]

I like it except Zaza is a scrappier younger player than Dalembert. I'd love Dalembert as a backup but he likely wants to start/ get out of shape as a backup.

Like you said, he has attitude problems.

[Superiorblogman]

I like it except Zaza is a scrappier younger player than Dalembert. I'd love Dalembert as a backup but he likely wants to start/ get out of shape as a backup.

Like you said, he has attitude problems.

Zaza is a waste. He can't finish to save his life. He can't block a shot to save his life. Dalembert far superior to Zaza and there is only like 3 years age difference.

[Ruhiel]

Dalembert is actually playing well according to stats. But will he enhance a winning culture?

Who's our backup?

[Mr. E]

Dalembert and Doran Gragic for Hinrich and Zaza makes sense

Not for Houston!

Uhm, Hinrich is better than Gragic, and Dalembert is on that short term deal because he leaves a lot to be desired attitude wise allegedly. Makes a lot of sense

Dalembert is playing very well for Houston and is displaying no "attitude problems." He's locked into a nice, short-term deal appropriate for a guy his age. He is meshing with the team well.

Would you rather have short-term Dalembert or short-term Zasa (whom I believe you just called "a waste.")

When talking about Hinrich vs. Dragic you claim that Hinrich is better...but Dragic is younger, taller & quicker and costs $6M less for this season. We are talking about the backup PG position here, so I'll go with the guy who also gives us minutes at SG if we need them.

[parson]

Dalembert's attitude just might be better-adjusted because he's playing for a contract, don'cha know?

And you don't get "locked into" short-term deals ... only long ones.

By the way, we want Hinrich for the same reasons you do: he has an expiring contract and he's better - at 2 positions - than Dragic.

[Mr. E]

Where is this One-Year and "playing for a contract" stuff coming from?

Houston has a team option for him for 2012/2013. He isn't a one year player unless Houston decides not to exercise the option. Zasa, on the other hand, is signed through next season. The discussion of Dragic or Hinrich as the backup PG is pointless because there is absolutely no reason for Houston to trade Dalembert for a guy being described here as a "waste."

[Superiorblogman]

Where is this One-Year and "playing for a contract" stuff coming from?

Houston has a team option for him for 2012/2013. He isn't a one year player unless Houston decides not to exercise the option. Zasa, on the other hand, is signed through next season. The discussion of Dragic or Hinrich as the backup PG is pointless because there is absolutely no reason for Houston to trade Dalembert for a guy being described here as a "waste."

Point taken but at the same time there was no reason for Dalembert to be the last big man free agent signed if he was undoubtedly worth his contract and would undoubtedly continue on his productive route on the court and in the locker room. Also, if and when your Rockets slip up to the point where the playoffs is not going to happen, what do you do then? Your team is just a offensive show. Kirk would really help your lack of defensive mindset if you want to make the playoffs

[Mr. E]

Where is this One-Year and "playing for a contract" stuff coming from?

Houston has a team option for him for 2012/2013. He isn't a one year player unless Houston decides not to exercise the option. Zasa, on the other hand, is signed through next season. The discussion of Dragic or Hinrich as the backup PG is pointless because there is absolutely no reason for Houston to trade Dalembert for a guy being described here as a "waste."

Point taken but at the same time there was no reason for Dalembert to be the last big man free agent signed if he was undoubtedly worth his contract and would undoubtedly continue on his productive route on the court and in the locker room. Also, if and when your Rockets slip up to the point where the playoffs is not going to happen, what do you do then? Your team is just a offensive show. Kirk would really help your lack of defensive mindset if you want to make the playoffs

Look, when it comes to the Rockets no one is untouchable (Lowry being the closest to that), so if the team is horrid by the trade deadline then I do hope they move some of the vets, but I'd hope for a consolidation move or something involving picks. I would be hesitant to move Dalembert, tho, based on his current production and the fact that he's a cheap 5 who won't be on the books very long.

Hinrich wouldn't get a lot of time on the floor, especially with our best wing defender (Courtney Lee) finally back from an injury. Our guard rotation will always be some combo of Lowry/Martin/Lee with a little Dragic mixed in. Switching him out for Hinrich would not be worth the downgrade from Dalembert to Zasa at the 5.