Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

[Hendrix]

If we luck into AD at the draft you immediately put Ed on the block. Then you roll with Val/AD/Bargs/Amir for a season and see if it works. If Bargs can be a microwave off the bench or if he can hold down the C spot with his new found defensive effort then we have an extremely well balanced frontcourt.

I agree. But, if you started getting a good idea that all 4 players were going to be good during the season, I think I'de look to move one of the remaining 4 players before the deadline.

And I'de probably just make that decision of who to ship out based on market value, and fit. So any of them could be shipped out imo.

If that did happen and both Davis and Val were as advertised you have to move forward with that front court. And sadly, it seems like Amir would be the odd man out since his game is similar whereas Bargs provides another element. Like Reignman said, you bring him off the bench as a spark plug, and may even be able to play all 3 at the same time if you zone up.

I'm not sure that is the way I'de go.

I think Amir has a lot of impact on the court, however I don't think his percieved value around the leauge matches that value. Thus I don't think well recieve an as impactful player coming back as we'de be giving up. So imo at this time I'de view Amir as a guy to hold on to. That may change if people start recognizing that he is a good player and are willing to give us a good player back in return.

However, I think Bargs's value around the league probably will closer match his value on the court, and we'de stand a good chance to get a player back that matches his impact at another position.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Drummond's mass/agility/speed combo is awesome. He should be able to get/deny position at will, even in the NBA.

UCONN's offense looks bad so Lamb goes solo and scores. So nice.

[Laowai]

Naw bro. If we win 1st pick. We draft D23. Trade Bargnani or Ed with other asset at this draft for another late pick. Draft Kabongo. Get Wilson Chandler this summer. In the RFA market next summer, let Demar go, throw money at Harden (this guy needs his own team, he can't be a star as long as KD and Frog boy are in OKC). Let our lineup develop and in 2013-14, we have a mature, developed lineup of 2 dynamic bigs, all around SF, a go-to-scorer SG, and a pass-first pg. All 5 are capable of playing real good D. Damn man, ain't that sweet?

C- Val
PF - D23
SF - Chandler
SG - Harden
PG - Kabongo.

That's a 2nd round contender, bro.

You truly think all Bargs is worth a late 1st rounder maybe with his current production Davis is????

Lets say we did get Davis
1. I would look at him playing SF he has the speed and footwork to dominate there but not the shooting range. A front court of Davis, Val, Bargs would be devastating.
2. Trade him to Boston for Rondo & Boston #1 if it could net MKG

The current Raptor problem is filling holes right now we need a SF, PG & SG in that order.
I hope DD turns his season around but at the moment I don't think so.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Drummond passing well tonight but a couple bad shots and little posting.

[fredericklove]

Naw bro. If we win 1st pick. We draft D23. Trade Bargnani or Ed with other asset at this draft for another late pick. Draft Kabongo. Get Wilson Chandler this summer. In the RFA market next summer, let Demar go, throw money at Harden (this guy needs his own team, he can't be a star as long as KD and Frog boy are in OKC). Let our lineup develop and in 2013-14, we have a mature, developed lineup of 2 dynamic bigs, all around SF, a go-to-scorer SG, and a pass-first pg. All 5 are capable of playing real good D. Damn man, ain't that sweet?

C- Val
PF - D23
SF - Chandler
SG - Harden
PG - Kabongo.

That's a 2nd round contender, bro.

You truly think all Bargs is worth a late 1st rounder maybe with his current production Davis is????

Lets say we did get Davis
1. I would look at him playing SF he has the speed and footwork to dominate there but not the shooting range. A front court of Davis, Val, Bargs would be devastating.
2. Trade him to Boston for Rondo & Boston #1 if it could net MKG

The current Raptor problem is filling holes right now we need a SF, PG & SG in that order.
I hope DD turns his season around but at the moment I don't think so.

I think you got it confused on that sentence. Trade Bargnani or Ed with other asset -> Bargnani with other asset (who knows what it'd be). Then Ed with another asset could be a top 3 protected draft pick in 2013 draft or unprotected or other option. Both Ed and another pick are worthy for a late 1st rounder, no? Not just late, but even for a late lottery pick, no?

[fredericklove]

Lets say we did get Davis
1. I would look at him playing SF he has the speed and footwork to dominate there but not the shooting range. A front court of Davis, Val, Bargs would be devastating.
2. Trade him to Boston for Rondo & Boston #1 if it could net MKG

The current Raptor problem is filling holes right now we need a SF, PG & SG in that order.
I hope DD turns his season around but at the moment I don't think so.

No, he's much more dominate in the paint as a 4. We don't draft him to play SF. What are you even thinking?!??!?!

[5DOM]

Yeah, we would honestly be better off with playing Bargnani at SF if we have to play those three at the same time. I want Anthony Davis playing near the rim

[SkywalkerAC]

don't really like Drummond's demeanor on the court. he's a great prospect but i don't look at him and think "this guy can lead us to success".

[dTox]

Playing A. Davis at SF is exactly the kind of screw up we had here when the coaches tried to put Andrea at SF. A young player like Davis needs to learn his natural position at this young stage of his game, he just recently started playing the position given his random growth spurt and to play him as a wing would screw up his development curve. You put him at at PF and trade all the other guys in his way for more draft picks or players who will fill our other needs.

[fredericklove]

Playing A. Davis at SF is exactly the kind of screw up we had here when the coaches tried to put Andrea at SF. A young player like Davis needs to learn his natural position at this young stage of his game, he just recently started playing the position given his random growth spurt and to play him as a wing would screw up his development curve. You put him at at PF and trade all the other guys in his way for more draft picks or players who will fill our other needs.

totally, and its not the first time the posters saying to play him at sf, i just think its nonsense talk.

[fredericklove]

don't really like Drummond's demeanor on the court. he's a great prospect but i don't look at him and think "this guy can lead us to success".

ah, so same old same old with him icic, yup, this is why you take D23 over D12 any day.

[dTox]

Playing A. Davis at SF is exactly the kind of screw up we had here when the coaches tried to put Andrea at SF. A young player like Davis needs to learn his natural position at this young stage of his game, he just recently started playing the position given his random growth spurt and to play him as a wing would screw up his development curve. You put him at at PF and trade all the other guys in his way for more draft picks or players who will fill our other needs.

totally, and its not the first time the posters saying to play him at sf, i just think its nonsense talk.

Its either the lack of a basketball IQ or wanting to keep Bargnani so bad on this team that they would rather put AD at SF. I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted Drummond and some still suggest putting Drummond at the SF position

[CunningLinguist]

Todd (Tn)

Last night Anthony Davis most complete performance by any of the top prospects?

Chad Ford (1:39 PM)

27 points, 15 rebounds, 7 blocks, 10-for-12 from the field is about as close as you get. I know some fans are concerned about his lack of strength and raw offensive abilities. But on the defensive end, he'll be a monster at the next level. And ... I think this is very important ... he's a good kid, a hard worker and plays with a great motor all the time. Very few big men have all of that. I think Marcus Camby is is floor. He could be much better than Camby because I think he can be a 4 at the next level.

Nick (Wisconsin)

Chad, there was a ton of hype going into this season about how good this upcoming draft class was going to be, is it safe to say that NBA scouts agree with this assessment? I'm not sure if there's a franchise game changer like Rose, Durant or Griffin, but the quality in depth that exists for like 12-15 picks is pretty crazy. What is your opinion on this years' potential draft class so far?

Chad Ford (1:41 PM)

I think that hype has actually cooled down a bit. Don't get me wrong, scouts think it's a good draft. Anthony Davis has lived up to expectations, though scouts don't quite see him in the same group as a Dwight Howard or Derrick Rose franchise changer. The next tier with Andre Drummond, Harrison Barnes, Thomas Robinson and Perry Jones III are all super talented, but all have weaknesses that could keep them from being All-Stars some day. After that, there's talent, but I actually think the 2011 Draft may have gone a little deeper.

Mark (cleveland)

Barnes, Jeramy Lamb or Kidd-gilcrest? Who's the best pro?

Chad Ford (1:48 PM)

I have scouts arguing all three. Barnes is the smoothest scorer of the group. He's going to be a lock to be a 20+ point a night scorer at the next level. The question is whether he'll do anything else. Lamb has the potential to be a big scorer as well, though he doesn't quite has the same confidence that Barnes brings to the table. Kidd-Gilchrist is the toughest of the group. He'll be the best defender, the best leader, the intangibles guy who does all the little things it takes to win. He's also the rawest offensively. I think it will come down to what a team really needs. All three should be successful at the next level.

I don't know what planet Chad Ford is on that makes him think 2011 was a deeper draft class than 2012.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Drummond!

[CunningLinguist]

Playing A. Davis at SF is exactly the kind of screw up we had here when the coaches tried to put Andrea at SF. A young player like Davis needs to learn his natural position at this young stage of his game, he just recently started playing the position given his random growth spurt and to play him as a wing would screw up his development curve. You put him at at PF and trade all the other guys in his way for more draft picks or players who will fill our other needs.

totally, and its not the first time the posters saying to play him at sf, i just think its nonsense talk.

And all based on our need for a small forward. If we needed a power forward, nobody would be suggested he's anything but that

[dTox]

Playing A. Davis at SF is exactly the kind of screw up we had here when the coaches tried to put Andrea at SF. A young player like Davis needs to learn his natural position at this young stage of his game, he just recently started playing the position given his random growth spurt and to play him as a wing would screw up his development curve. You put him at at PF and trade all the other guys in his way for more draft picks or players who will fill our other needs.

totally, and its not the first time the posters saying to play him at sf, i just think its nonsense talk.

And all based on our need for a small forward. If we needed a power forward, nobody would be suggested he's anything but that

That's just a silly silly move, as I've said before there is no one on this team who should be in the way of drafting the best player this year, and no one is good enough that we should comprimise the draft pick's position in order to make room for the said players. You draft the BPA and move anyone in their way, whether that's MKG, AD1, AD2, Lamb, or Barnes. The mission is and should be to build the team around the draft pick and Jonas and maybe the 2013 pick if we end up in the lottery once again.

[CunningLinguist]

That's just a silly silly move, as I've said before there is no one on this team who should be in the way of drafting the best player this year, and no one is good enough that we should comprimise the draft pick's position in order to make room for the said players. You draft the BPA and move anyone in their way, whether that's MKG, AD1, AD2, Lamb, or Barnes. The mission is and should be to build the team around the draft pick and Jonas and maybe the 2013 pick if we end up in the lottery once again.

I don't disagree. Just stating the warped mentality that leads to the talk of Davis as a SF.

[fredericklove]

wow, uconn is back

[fredericklove]

I don't know what planet Chad Ford is on that makes him think 2011 was a deeper draft class than 2012.

He probably thinks Rubio is from the 2011 class

I guess he wants to praise Brooks and Shumpert as well too.

[fredericklove]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH NAPIER!!!!!!!!