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Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

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Who do you want the Raptors to draft in the 2012 NBA Draft?

Anthony Davis
43
24%
Harrison Barnes
47
26%
Andre Drummond
19
11%
Perry Jones
4
2%
Quincy Miller
3
2%
Jeremy Lamb
26
15%
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
32
18%
Jared Sullinger
1
1%
Austin Rivers
2
1%
Other
1
1%
 
Total votes: 178

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#301 » by fredericklove » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:50 am

Aristotle wrote:Maybe, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. All I see is a kid with an advanced skill set coming into college but has not really improved at the pace others coming into college have. People said the same thing about Marvin Williams when he came into the league and how his potential far out-weighed that of Battier, just for example, but because of lack of explosiveness, handle etc. he didn't succeed to expectations. I see many parallels with Barnes. I think he will be a very good pro but he won't be franchise type guy. He also will not use this extensive offensive repertoire that you see at the next level, won't be able to create against guys bigger and just as strong but also more explosive. He's a man playing with boys at this level but that won't be the case next year


Barnes has improved at a huge pace, last year he comes in, from struggling to make shots to being a legit spot up shooters, to this year limiting his 3pt attempt to expanding his offensive game, taking the ball to the hole more frequently, I don't see the similarity with barnes and marvin whereas marvin comes in off the bench, not being the go to guy also with limited mins and with that limited maturity he goes str8 to the nba but barnes has been a go to guy option, has done great things in big games, he's developed a better mature mindset along with an improving offensive skillet. He might not be the franchise type guy in nba but he's definitely going to be able to use his offensive repertoire to score because he will just get as strong as the guys in the nba in a year or two and he's already had the strength built up and if he gets stronger than current body level he'll be able to finish even stronger when taking it to the hole. His offensive repertoire is already complimented on an nba level range. He's going to be a really good 2 way wing in the NBA, not many prospects will come into the nba with his kind of skillset and maturity.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#302 » by Aristotle » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:54 am

Different perceptions, same reality. I agree that he will be a good 2 way player. To what extent we'll have to see
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Post#303 » by Undefeated » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:56 am

Barnes with 27 points on 8-14 shooting from the field, 1-3 from 3-pt, 10-12 free-throw, 6 rebounds and 3 steals.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#304 » by fredericklove » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:02 am

Undefeated wrote:Barnes with 27 points on 8-14 shooting from the field, 1-3 from 3-pt, 10-12 free-throw, 6 rebounds and 3 steals.


He came back real strong in 2nd half. Didn't he have 6 points in 1st half? He literally scored 21 points in 2nd, he helped took over the game in stretches in 2nd half. I like his assertiveness and dominance. It gives the team an overall confidence everytime he takes over. I like to see that mindset input on PJ3 and Drummond they need to have that. I think it'd suck if they just throw out their enormous potential str8 into the sink like that.
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Post#305 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:02 am

On our team, with Andrea and hopefully an improved DeMar, Harrison Barnes will make a significant impact almost immediately. He'll at the very least alleviate the pressure Andrea faces from opposing teams with his ability to shoot the ball. Hopefully, we'll be able to get a guard who can get into the paint, and with that, I'd have to say Barnes is a perfect fit for this team at SF. He's the guy to target outside of Anthony Davis imo.
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Post#306 » by fredericklove » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:02 am

Undefeated wrote:Barnes with 27 points on 8-14 shooting from the field, 1-3 from 3-pt, 10-12 free-throw, 6 rebounds and 3 steals.


And a block.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#307 » by Marlo Stanfield » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:07 am

fredericklove wrote:
Undefeated wrote:Barnes with 27 points on 8-14 shooting from the field, 1-3 from 3-pt, 10-12 free-throw, 6 rebounds and 3 steals.


And a block.


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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4 

Post#308 » by fredericklove » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:08 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:On our team, with Andrea and hopefully an improved DeMar, Harrison Barnes will make a significant impact almost immediately. He'll at the very least alleviate the pressure Andrea faces from opposing teams with his ability to shoot the ball. Hopefully, we'll be able to get a guard who can get into the paint, and with that, I'd have to say Barnes is a perfect fit for this team at SF. He's the guy to target outside of Anthony Davis imo.


I'm just mad at Demar, the guy doesn't have good visions and really struggle with his shots. His lack of vision is the problem if barnes is playing next to him as both guys are not that great at finding guys open. Just imagine we had Harden instead of Demar. Harden can create for others....and if Barnes comes to Toronto, even if we don't have a legit guard to penetrate to the lane to get guys open, we still have a harden who has decent vision that can create for others. Sigh, damn it Demar, why you so one dimensional. At this point, I think if we get 3rd or 4th pick, Barnes would be an ideal fit, and Lamb is also the perfect option (i'm tired of Demar). MKG would be an ideal pick if we end up with 5th-7th pick.
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Post#309 » by fredericklove » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:12 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Hopefully, we'll be able to get a guard who can get into the pain


A poster last couple weeks talked about Tony Parker. I think he's an ideal guard for us, Spurs need to get some younger guys now so it'd be sweet if we can get him...but at what cost I don't know. Do we have young pieces they want? Ed as Duncan's replacement :lol:

Parker
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Barnes
Bargs
Val

An instant playoff team already.
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Post#310 » by Live Free » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:15 am

Watched the UNC game.. Great 2nd half effort from Barnes, willed his team to victory. They couldn't keep him out the paint.. His smooth handles looked very Paul Pierce-esque to me
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Post#311 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:20 am

fredericklove wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Hopefully, we'll be able to get a guard who can get into the pain


A poster last couple weeks talked about Tony Parker. I think he's an ideal guard for us, Spurs need to get some younger guys now so it'd be sweet if we can get him...but at what cost I don't know. Do we have young pieces they want? Ed as Duncan's replacement :lol:

Parker
Demar
Barnes
Bargs
Val

An instant playoff team already.


I really want to give Bayless one more shot to be the starting PG for us. I'm guessing he'll get another chance at some point this season, but in all likelihood, he'll have to play incredibly well for him to get the starting PG job heading into next season. Ideally, he does just that, and we sign a guy like Bo McCalebb to back him up. I also like Dominique Jones, who's wasting away in Dallas. I think that guy is going to explode when he gets an opportunity.
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Post#312 » by Serious_P » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:33 am

You guys on this board need to stop sleeping on Teague and Rivers they can easily be our best player or second best player if drafted. Both can create their own shots which no one other than Bargnani and to be clutch and have good half court offense you need players who can create their own shots off the dribble whether pull up or penetrating. Both players are really good at penetrating especially Rivers who also a good shooter. I think personally if Westbrook can be a point Rivers can or if E Gordon can be a shooting guard he can so either way it's what role you put him in.

Picture this for next year Raptors Lineup:
Raps draft Barnes with their pick
Trade DeRozan for pick 6-11
Trade Davis for pick 8-16
Draft any two of Gilchrist, Beal, PJ3, T.Jones, Kabongo, Leonard, Teague, or Rivers
Amnesty Calderon
Sign Mayo three years 7 Mil
Sign Steve Nash to Mentor youth 8 Mil
Sign Asik 6 Mil or 7 Mil
2012 Lineup
Rivers or Kabongo or Teague/Nash/Bayless
Gilchrist or Beal/Oj Mayo(sign for about 7 Mil)/Bayless
Barnes/JJ/Kleiza
Bargnani/Amir Johnson
Jonas/Asik

Defenitely contending team a lot of capspace also so we can either make a trade and take on a superstar or run with this young team and gain more experience and get better as a unit. Casey would defenitely make this the team he's looking to.
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Post#313 » by Undefeated » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:38 am

I don't really care if Barnes doesn't have yo-yo handles, but I was really impressed by how well he took care of the ball as he dribbling through traffic tonight.
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Post#314 » by fredericklove » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:49 am

Serious_P wrote:You guys on this board need to stop sleeping on Teague and Rivers they can easily be our best player or second best player if drafted. Both can create their own shots which no one other than Bargnani and to be clutch and have good half court offense you need players who can create their own shots off the dribble whether pull up or penetrating. Both players are really good at penetrating especially Rivers who also a good shooter. I think personally if Westbrook can be a point Rivers can or if E Gordon can be a shooting guard he can so either way it's what role you put him in.

Picture this for next year Raptors Lineup:
Raps draft Barnes with their pick
Trade DeRozan for pick 6-11
Trade Davis for pick 8-16
Draft any two of Gilchrist, Beal, PJ3, T.Jones, Kabongo, Leonard, Teague, or Rivers
Amnesty Calderon
Sign Mayo three years 7 Mil
Sign Steve Nash to Mentor youth 8 Mil
Sign Asik 6 Mil or 7 Mil
2012 Lineup
Rivers or Kabongo or Teague/Nash/Bayless
Gilchrist or Beal/Oj Mayo(sign for about 7 Mil)/Bayless
Barnes/JJ/Kleiza
Bargnani/Amir Johnson
Jonas/Asik

Defenitely contending team a lot of capspace also so we can either make a trade and take on a superstar or run with this young team and gain more experience and get better as a unit. Casey would defenitely make this the team he's looking to.


Why you had to post this twice lol, saw u posted this couple pages ago. Teague is a bonafide scrub who doesn't understand how to play properly, river as good as his offensive game is he's got a bonafide tunnel vision with girly defense. But i like the idea of drafting barnes or MKG or Beal.
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Post#315 » by fredericklove » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:54 am

Undefeated wrote:I don't really care if Barnes doesn't have yo-yo handles, but I was really impressed by how well he took care of the ball as he dribbling through traffic tonight.


yup, he's using his arm to shield from defenders more, i like the sequence where he utilizes the pick from henson while shielding his defender using his arm, then used henson's p&r, got himself spacing and then pull up a 3 point shot. At this time last year, he just keeps starting off with triple threat move and face up and takes off couple dribbles recklessly that ends up getting stripped.
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Post#316 » by Aristotle » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:53 am

fredericklove wrote:
Undefeated wrote:I don't really care if Barnes doesn't have yo-yo handles, but I was really impressed by how well he took care of the ball as he dribbling through traffic tonight.


yup, he's using his arm to shield from defenders more, i like the sequence where he utilizes the pick from henson while shielding his defender using his arm, then used henson's p&r, got himself spacing and then pull up a 3 point shot. At this time last year, he just keeps starting off with triple threat move and face up and takes off couple dribbles recklessly that ends up getting stripped.[/quote

You're right that is an area he has improved on
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Post#317 » by Ell Curry » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:21 am

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I'm a Michigan fan. Seen probably 15-20 quarters of Burke.

He's definitely a point guard, which is nice. Not an undersized 2. His court vision isn't amazing, but he never makes you shake your head at missing an open cutter or 3-point shooter. He's got a really good feel for the game in general. He's quick, but not blazing. Hitting 35 percent of his 3's. Streaky in terms of outcome so far on 3's, but to my untrained eye, his form is consistent and really good.

Immediately, he established himself as a leader. Same usage rate as Tim Hardaway Jr., who was expected to be the man this season. Instead, it's dual. Hardaway has been inconsistent, but it doesn't seem to be Burke's fault. Darius Morris was Michigan's PG last year, and he was long, couldn't shoot, liked to pound the dribble and had fantastic passing ability and vision. Because Michigan did not and does not have too many players who can create their own shot (starting to change with this year's class and definitely so with next years') and Beilein likes his teams to use a lot of the shot clock, the PG ends up having the ball a ton. Burke has handled that very well.

Michigan's center, Jordan Morgan hit an extremely high percentage of the shots he took last year, but as a burly center with nice touch but not much of a post game (and even less post plays run for him) who scored mostly on pick and rolls with Morris, fans expected a real step back from him. But partly due to Burke, that hasn't happened. Michigan's other players are scoring more efficiently too. Burke spaces the floor with his shooting in a way Morris didn't, and that helps.

Defensively, I can't say too much. Not Calderon out there, but he doesn't have too many steals. He did play good D on arguably the best PG in the country against Wisconsin from what I saw (while having a very good offensive game), but I missed most of that one, so not sure how long he was guarding him. Michigan play a lot less zone than people seem to think.

I'll probably write about him at the end of the tournament, but right now, I see him as a good starter who helps team win games, rather than one who gets empty stats. I wouldn't expect him to become an all star, because he's 5'11, not blazing fast and a good rather than than Nash or Paul like shooter. However, he was lower ranked by scouts than Michigan's other freshman guard, and has easily outplayed him. He won Mr. Basketball for his state and played better as the competition got better in high school. He put up videos of his off season workouts this summer, and it was clear he was mature and busting his ass to be better. He started off the season having difficulty with his shooting but doing everything else right. Point is, the guy seems to conquer challenges when they arise and play better than expectations suggest he would.

His shooting has improved, and he's now sporting a 109 ORTG taking up 26 percent of possessions. That's great for a freshman PG. Shabazz Napier is doing that as a sophomore, but Wroten isn't anywhere near the efficient, and Kabongo and Teague aren't either. Kendal Marshall is, but he account for about percent of his team possessions.

Comparison wise, he reminds me a bit of Darren Collison as a sophomore or junior, but without the 50 percent 3 point shooting. He's a little craftier and a little less quick. Maybe a little Maynor, too. These are 4 year PG's who I mostly saw as upperclassmen, and there's a reason they come to mind; Burke is a freshman, but he doesn't play like one. I don't know if that maturity means he won't improve as much as raw-er point guards, but I wouldn't bet against him. He deferred to Sullinger in High School, then dominated when Sullinger was gone. I think he's a guy who knows instinctively what his team needs of him, so he's definitely a rotation player, at the least.

No idea if he'll come out. I would lean towards no, but he said this about his father convincing him to decommit from Penn State as a sophomore and go to Michigan instead: "He knew the system would be perfect for my game. It's a point guard's dream," Burke said. "And he had heard that Darius might leave early." So, if he's as canny in realizing that there doesn't seem to be a single point guard in the lottery (Kendall Marshall is the highest at 17th on DX) and the last year without a true PG in the lottery was 2006 (Rondo went 21st), he might come out early.
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Post#318 » by RomaniaLuvTR » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:30 am

i want barnes..period..even if drummond and a davis are the guys with most potential, barnes is the perfect fit for us
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Post#319 » by Mr. Natural » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:26 am

I haven't seen Barnes play but from what I've read his main skill is an array of step-back shots, which remind me of Adam Morrison. Can anyone help dissuade me of this notion?
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Post#320 » by Al_Oliver » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:49 am

The immortal Meyers Leonard fouls out in a loss against Penn State... 15 points on 12 shots and 4 rebs.

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