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Amare to teammates: "You gotta start using your brain".

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Re: Amare to teammates: "You gotta start using your brain". 

Post#21 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:05 am

knicksosmoove wrote:amare, you gotta start putting your butt into defenders bro!

i mean, we saw him make a couple of running hooks against phoenix, he probably could have a serviceable post game if he really tried . . .


Thinking about this now, if Amare has back problems it makes it hard to learn how to post up while he has that handicap. Anybody whose experienced back problems or even serious stiffness knows how much it affects mobility.

Why is this relevant to a skill that probably compensates for less mobility? At least a couple of things.

One is he seems reluctant to body up any more than he has to and backing guys down may feel difficult with a bad back.

Second is torso movement. We already see he is kind of robotic right now which means he is all thighs and arms, but if you don't have torsion and flex in your core you lose most of your athletic potential. It shows in that he really only dunks now when he has a straight line, but rarely now on spin moves.

When he goes up its all push from the feet and without any real snap from his midsection which is what you see with great dunkers. He simply cannot adjust his body in mid-movement, he's wooden.

Now if he wants to learn to back guys down, he is still going to have spin left or right or step back & turn to pop. This is not complex movements or it shouldn't be for him, but something is really off and I think its his back or lack of flexibility making everything he does tight and contorted.

I may be overstating this, but I'm just thinking out loud here. It is hard to learn a new way of playing when your mid-section is unable to move and react with the rest of your body and that's how he looks to me.

If there is any shred of truth to this theory, it could be a small silver lining if he could get healthier and then evolve his game. If he just won't learn, that is a worse problem that may not be fixable.
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Re: Amare to teammates: "You gotta start using your brain". 

Post#22 » by Mr Knick » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:28 am

The Captain speaks.... boy we are in trouble
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Re: Amare to teammates: "You gotta start using your brain". 

Post#23 » by CANiLIVE » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:32 am

What happen to leading by example smh,

I can't be the only one losing my likeness for amare, seems like he's got to comfortable in here.
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Re: Amare to teammates: "You gotta start using your brain". 

Post#24 » by Little Italia » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:00 am

This is getting so ugly. Amare is a delusional egotistical moron, and the rest of his teammates have no balls.

Wake me up when we have a disciplinary coach.
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Post#25 » by CrazyKnicks » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:00 am

Amare can talk all he wants, but if he keeps driving into 3 people and not playing defense, it means nothing.
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Post#26 » by Knckles » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:07 am

Amare needs to not play at all cause he sucks.
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Post#27 » by donkki » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:10 am

Amare please watch some tape. You are the one who is playing like a moron.
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Post#28 » by iDunk » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:11 am

Finally someone says it. I know Amare needs to do the same, but I'm glad someone finally says something.
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Re: Amare to teammates: "You gotta start using your brain". 

Post#29 » by Ron1 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:59 am

Hey Amare' instead of hunting in Miami why don't you hunt for your game in NY, and STFU! :curse:
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Post#30 » by NoStatsGuy » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:34 am

BrOnXKing1 wrote:Teammates to Amare: "You used to be good, WTF happened"



+1

amare really?!

maybe he didnt mean it like that, he wasnt in collage so i give him this excuse :D
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Post#31 » by BBALLER4FR » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:29 pm

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Second is torso movement. We already see he is kind of robotic right now which means he is all thighs and arms, but if you don't have torsion and flex in your core you lose most of your athletic potential. It shows in that he really only dunks now when he has a straight line, but rarely now on spin moves.

When he goes up its all push from the feet and without any real snap from his midsection which is what you see with great dunkers. He simply cannot adjust his body in mid-movement, he's wooden.

Now if he wants to learn to back guys down, he is still going to have spin left or right or step back & turn to pop. This is not complex movements or it shouldn't be for him, but something is really off and I think its his back or lack of flexibility making everything he does tight and contorted.

I may be overstating this, but I'm just thinking out loud here. It is hard to learn a new way of playing when your mid-section is unable to move and react with the rest of your body and that's how he looks to me.

If there is any shred of truth to this theory, it could be a small silver lining if he could get healthier and then evolve his game. If he just won't learn, that is a worse problem that may not be fixable.


Excellent explanation! He's looked robotic in his defiance to be effective and it comes off as clumsy and stubborn. I couldn't understand WTF was his problem until you post. Great job bro!
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Re: Amare to teammates: "You gotta start using your brain". 

Post#32 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:58 pm

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Second is torso movement. We already see he is kind of robotic right now which means he is all thighs and arms, but if you don't have torsion and flex in your core you lose most of your athletic potential. It shows in that he really only dunks now when he has a straight line, but rarely now on spin moves.

When he goes up its all push from the feet and without any real snap from his midsection which is what you see with great dunkers. He simply cannot adjust his body in mid-movement, he's wooden.

Now if he wants to learn to back guys down, he is still going to have spin left or right or step back & turn to pop. This is not complex movements or it shouldn't be for him, but something is really off and I think its his back or lack of flexibility making everything he does tight and contorted.

I may be overstating this, but I'm just thinking out loud here. It is hard to learn a new way of playing when your mid-section is unable to move and react with the rest of your body and that's how he looks to me.

If there is any shred of truth to this theory, it could be a small silver lining if he could get healthier and then evolve his game. If he just won't learn, that is a worse problem that may not be fixable.


Excellent explanation! He's looked robotic in his defiance to be effective and it comes off as clumsy and stubborn. I couldn't understand WTF was his problem until you post. Great job bro!


You know I'm just looking for some clues. It is not like I want to bash him for no good reason. Sometimes there are reasons for why a player is playing so poorly that we don't fully understand. That's the best I can come up with. He blabbers BS and doesn't walk the talk, but something is just a little bit sketchy about him now and if it ain't physical issues, then we've got a real albatross on our hands. The body can heal enough for him to come around, but if he is just a BS artist now and doesn't care enough to evolve, play D and be a winner, then he's a drag on the team.
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Post#33 » by Thugger HBC » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:04 pm

I just refuse to believe that the main thing wrong with Amar'e is he doesn't have a pg.

He's blocked one shot this month and that was last game, and his jumper is completely broken.

The defense aspect I have truly given up the concept that he could be a serviceable defender.

When Amar'e talks he only talks about the offense being the key for everything else.

Once he understands it's actually the other way around, then I'll know he's making progress.
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Post#34 » by NoMoreThrees » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:10 pm

amare to teammates. turn into nash johnson marion diaw. chuck more threes. it worked in phoenix.

amare to teammates. dont worry about my sucking. my head down bulldoze o fouls. my chucking from deep. my 1 on 1 garbage plays. it worked in phoenix. just ask dantoni.

fans to amare. shut the f up and try taking some blame for being a goddamn role player.
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Post#35 » by Jmonty580 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:12 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:I just refuse to believe that the main thing wrong with Amar'e is he doesn't have a pg.

He's blocked one shot this month and that was last game, and his jumper is completely broken.

The defense aspect I have truly given up the concept that he could be a serviceable defender.

When Amar'e talks he only talks about the offense being the key for everything else.

Once he understands it's actually the other way around, then I'll know he's making progress.


Pretty much how i feel.

I think he just may not be the same anymore. He is losing lift. And as he has gotten older he hasnt had to adapt to being less explosive. I think he's realizing now he cant just jump over everyone anymore. Things that worked in the past, get his shot thrown right back down at him now by the likes of a Lopez brother. Its embarassing. He's gotta understand that HE has to play smarter.

Amare by far as the lowest bball IQ on offense of anyone on our team. That include Jared Jeffries, and Toney Douglas. Only good choice he makes is to shoot that mid range shot, but that shot is flat out broken now. Almost no shot is a good one for him at this point. He needs to live eat and sleep in the gym until he gets some sort of offensive game going for himself.
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Post#36 » by NoMoreThrees » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:19 pm

i cant believe amare got run into the ground last year when he score 30 like 10 times in a row. ever since he been slower. then he hurt his back doing the practice dunk during celtics series. and hes been crap since. we also went from him being the main guy to him watching melo chuck. which mean when he get the ball all he do is chuck. its (Please Use More Appropriate Word). it aint basketball.
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Post#37 » by Thugger HBC » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:25 pm

It's weird to even hear Amar'e use the word "we", when he clearly means "everybody except me".
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Post#38 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:27 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:It's weird to even hear Amar'e use the word "we", when he clearly means "everybody except me".


at least he didn't say "my people"
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Post#39 » by Lord Commander » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:27 pm

This can't be real--not from the guy who drives baseline under the basket with no place to go, then jumps in the air while falling out of bounds to make a pass...SMH
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Post#40 » by mildred » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:31 pm

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knicksosmoove wrote:amare, you gotta start putting your butt into defenders bro!

i mean, we saw him make a couple of running hooks against phoenix, he probably could have a serviceable post game if he really tried . . .


Thinking about this now, if Amare has back problems it makes it hard to learn how to post up while he has that handicap. Anybody whose experienced back problems or even serious stiffness knows how much it affects mobility.

Why is this relevant to a skill that probably compensates for less mobility? At least a couple of things.

One is he seems reluctant to body up any more than he has to and backing guys down may feel difficult with a bad back.

Second is torso movement. We already see he is kind of robotic right now which means he is all thighs and arms, but if you don't have torsion and flex in your core you lose most of your athletic potential. It shows in that he really only dunks now when he has a straight line, but rarely now on spin moves.

When he goes up its all push from the feet and without any real snap from his midsection which is what you see with great dunkers. He simply cannot adjust his body in mid-movement, he's wooden.

Now if he wants to learn to back guys down, he is still going to have spin left or right or step back & turn to pop. This is not complex movements or it shouldn't be for him, but something is really off and I think its his back or lack of flexibility making everything he does tight and contorted.

I may be overstating this, but I'm just thinking out loud here. It is hard to learn a new way of playing when your mid-section is unable to move and react with the rest of your body and that's how he looks to me.

If there is any shred of truth to this theory, it could be a small silver lining if he could get healthier and then evolve his game. If he just won't learn, that is a worse problem that may not be fixable.


Exactly ..... I've brought the injury scenario up a few times to try and explain Amare's woes but it seems to just fall on deaf ears. I guess if the newspapers or medical staff say it aint so, I guess it aint so, regardless of what people may see.

But I always go by what my eyes see and not what media tells me. Amare looks robotic. His movement is inhibited in a big way vs the player he was last year for most of the season. If there is a back problem. why is the team hiding the fact ? Or is Amare hiding the fact from the team ?

I understand players start a season off poorly, especially with a lack of a preseason. But what I see wrong with Amare looks very physical to me. Why the f'k would he try less harder on defense this year when he already was a liability on defense last year ? I just don't see this in his character which leads me to believe he's hiding back problems, and if he is, when is he gonna step up to the plate and disclose this so he doesn't further hurt the team ?

Goggles; Point Guard; Slow Start; Melo, Playing PF Again; blah blah blah. All these excuses when the answer could be so obvious that no one sees it because .... because ..... because ?

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