Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[nate33]

Have we really gone through 18 of these threads or did somebody screw up their Roman numerals along the way?

Link to old thread

Take it away, gang.

[LyricalRico]

Where were we...

Dalembert for McGee?

[TGW]

Somebody needs to take away trade checker priveleges from LR for the next 100 posts.

[LyricalRico]

^ Hey, man - I'm just shout'n out my boy llcc25!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

TGW, you'll probably be expanding the banned from trade checker list after reading this:

Wizards send Rashard Lewis, Kevin Seraphin, Shelvin Mack and a 2013 first round pick to Utah for Al Jefferson, Devin Harris, and Jeremy Evans.

This was IBTL the old thread on p. 98. Lyrical Rico and I both like this deal.

[fishercob]

Let's not trade any first round picks unless we're getting a young all-star back.

I don't love Al Jefferson, but he's reasonably productive and his deal expires after next year.

[llcc25]

^ Hey, man - I'm just shout'n out my boy llcc25!

hahaha... hey don't be so quick to knock that dalembert/scola for mcgee/blatche....all i know is that in past 5 games, Dalembert has outplayed and held in check each of the following centers (Okafor, McGee, Monroe, and Cousins). At $6-$7m compared to the $10m+ its gonna take to keep McGee, i'll take that... as i've stated before, i'll take substance over style especially at center postion.

[shrink]

You guys go through trade threads like my kids go through toilet paper!

[nate33]

This is a mild tweak on my 3-stage plan I proposed a while back, only we keep Wall this time. One of the reasons this works is that after next season, the salary differential between David Lee and Blatche + Crawford + Seraphin fits under the 125% exemption. This means the David Lee trade can wait until this summer, which makes a big difference because I only like this trade if we land Anthony Davis in the draft.

Step 1: Extend McGee to a 4-year contract at $11M per year.

Step 2: Suck and land the top draft pick.

Step 3: Draft Anthony Davis

Step 4: Sign Eric Gordon to a 4 year $50M contract front loaded paying $13.4M in Year 1 with declining salary each year. (Hopefully it'll scare off New Orleans from matching)

Step 5: With roughly $4.5M in cap space left, sign another shooter on a 2-year contract, preferably Rudy F. but Mayo would do. If their price gets too high, aim lower for a guy like Jodie Meeks.

Step 6: Trade Blatche + Crawford + Seraphin for David Lee

New team:
PG Wall/Mack
SG Gordon/Fernandez
SF Singleton
PF Lee/Vesely/Booker
C McGee/Davis

Fernandez and Booker could fill in at backup SF if necessary, or we can sign a vet minimum guy like Mo Evans. But for the long term, it probably makes the most sense to trade one of Vesely or Booker for a SF. I like the Marcus Morris idea that was floated a while ago. We could also try and trade one of Booker/Vesely for a draft pick in the teens and hope to acquire a SF that way.

Salary wise, with McGee on a flat contract and Gordon's descending, our cap should remain fairly manageable. We might have some luxtax payments for the first two years of Wall's new contract, but the problem will clear up when Lee comes off the books.

[Dat2U]

^ Hey, man - I'm just shout'n out my boy llcc25!

hahaha... hey don't be so quick to knock that dalembert/scola for mcgee/blatche....all i know is that in past 5 games, Dalembert has outplayed and held in check each of the following centers (Okafor, McGee, Monroe, and Cousins). At $6-$7m compared to the $10m+ its gonna take to keep McGee, i'll take that... as i've stated before, i'll take substance over style especially at center postion.

Dalembert is fools gold. We know what he is based on his entire playing career. It's obvious he's playing for one more long term deal. As soon as he gets paid, watch him return to career norms. Scola is on the decline. I understand your not sold on McGee, but to trade your best asset outside of Wall for two guys on the wrong side of 30 makes no sense whatsoever.

[TGW]

^ Hey, man - I'm just shout'n out my boy llcc25!

hahaha... hey don't be so quick to knock that dalembert/scola for mcgee/blatche....all i know is that in past 5 games, Dalembert has outplayed and held in check each of the following centers (Okafor, McGee, Monroe, and Cousins). At $6-$7m compared to the $10m+ its gonna take to keep McGee, i'll take that... as i've stated before, i'll take substance over style especially at center postion.

Dalembert is fools gold. We know what he is based on his entire playing career. It's obvious he's playing for one more long term deal. As soon as he gets paid, watch him return to career norms. Scola is on the decline. I understand your not sold on McGee, but to trade your best asset outside of Wall for two guys on the wrong side of 30 makes no sense whatsoever.

That's exactly what I said. No offense to Daly (he's a fellow Haitian), but that guy does not give a consistent effort from year to year.

If you're going to trade McGee, you'd better get a young, talented big in return. Like Favors, Kanter, Horford, Williams, etc. Not two older players.

CCJ--that's not a terrible trade. Don't like the first rounder going out though. But we are better after that trade than before it, that's for sure.

[Dat2U]

This is a mild tweak on my 3-stage plan I proposed a while back, only we keep Wall this time. One of the reasons this works is that after next season, the salary differential between David Lee and Blatche + Crawford + Seraphin fits under the 125% exemption. This means the David Lee trade can wait until this summer, which makes a big difference because I only like this trade if we land Anthony Davis in the draft.

Step 1: Extend McGee to a 4-year contract at $11M per year.

Step 2: Suck and land the top draft pick.

Step 3: Draft Anthony Davis

Step 4: Sign Eric Gordon to a 4 year $50M contract front loaded paying $13.4M in Year 1 with declining salary each year. (Hopefully it'll scare off New Orleans from matching)

Step 5: With roughly $4.5M in cap space left, sign another shooter on a 2-year contract, preferably Rudy F. but Mayo would do. If their price gets too high, aim lower for a guy like Jodie Meeks.

Step 6: Trade Blatche + Crawford + Seraphin for David Lee

If we land Davis, I'd pass on trading for Lee. No point in the expensive duplication that Lee provides at PF with Davis being our PF of the future.

I'd also consider buying out Shart AND amnesting Blatche. We don't need to dive head first into free agency in 2012. I'd eat Shart's buyout to get Blatche off the cap and out of the locker room. It also avoids having to deal Blatche for a bad long term contract like Lee's.

I'd definitely try to conslidate some assets. Craw, Ves, Book and maybe even Singleton. I'd gladly swap out one or two for some long range threats to pair with Davis & Wall.

I'd consider making a run at Gordon, but I want to see him stay healthy for the entire year before buying in. He's consistently missed chunks of time sense he's been in the league. Honestly, I like Harden better.

McGee's extension I'd play by ear. His improvements give me hope. The depth of his knuckleheadness gives me pause. I'd probably see what his interest is around the league. If I could swap him for a youngish up-in-comer or a talent with a few years left on his rookie deal (Derrick Williams). I'd probably do it to delay any long term financial commitments.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Perhaps I am just a contrarian by nature. I think right now the Wizards have enough young guys and they need to get quality veterans.

I like what Utah has right now with a real good mix of veterans and youth. They have quality veteran bigs and smalls. Until the Wizards get a quality veteran big, they will still be a team that's rebuilding. Instead of saying don't destroy the young core of this team, I think the better way to rebuild is to buy low on quality veterans to add to the young the Wizards really want to roll with.

I don't like Al Jefferson's contract or Pau Gasol's age, but those two guys are what the Wizards need at PF. Devin Harris managed to play in an all star game. Coming from Utah to Washington might help him get his game back. Acquiring Harris might be for John Wall what Larry Hughes was alongside Arenas--an effective, if not odd pairing. Jefferson, maybe Gasol, and definitely Harris are good buy low players IMO. So is Jordan Farmar in New Jersey.

I think Wall, McGee, and one of Singleton/Vesely or Booker are keepers. I would trade any value trade to make the Wizards better. You have to pass through mediocre to get to good.

I would even trade a 2013 first for a guy like Jefferson or Pau, now, because the team needs to learn to win consistently. One more stud in this coming draft might be enough if there is a good veteran added to the mix.

[Dat2U]

I don't like Al Jefferson's defense at all. He's a miserable low post defender. I'm all for adding veteran bigs into the mix, but the right veterans. A guy that only plays on one side of the court isn't the right veteran.

[nate33]

If we land Davis, I'd pass on trading for Lee. No point in the expensive duplication that Lee provides at PF with Davis being our PF of the future.

I'd also consider buying out Shart AND amnesting Blatche. We don't need to dive head first into free agency in 2012. I'd eat Shart's buyout to get Blatche off the cap and out of the locker room. It also avoids having to deal Blatche for a bad long term contract like Lee's. .

As you've mentioned before, if we land Davis, we will have our two superstar caliber talents on the roster already (plus potentially McGee). With that the case, I think the smart move would be to use all of our cap room immediately and accumulate as much talent as possible so we can start winning right away. If there's no more need to tank, then why endure a losing atmosphere any longer than absolutely necessary?

I see your point about Gordon's injury issues. Maybe that's a reason to shy away from him. But if we don't like him, I still think it's best to use money to grab other good players - maybe Batum and Fernandez. Get some talent now and start winning. I like Harden but I'm struggling to figure out how we conserve cap room until he's a free agent while simultaneously telling our players and fans that we're trying to win games. I don't know how much longer Wall, McGee and Booker can continue to lose without permanently destroying their competitive edge.

I can also see why some would have reservations about Lee, but I really think we'd need an established PF with a perimeter game to make things easier on Wall, McGee and Davis. I'd be open to other suggestions. What I'd really like is a guy similar to Lee but on a 2-year contract (or a guy much cheaper than Lee). If we could somehow swap Blatche plus incentive for Josh McRoberts, Taj Gibson, or Udonis Haslem, I'd be very happy.

[LyricalRico]

^ Hey, man - I'm just shout'n out my boy llcc25!

hahaha... hey don't be so quick to knock that dalembert/scola for mcgee/blatche....all i know is that in past 5 games, Dalembert has outplayed and held in check each of the following centers (Okafor, McGee, Monroe, and Cousins). At $6-$7m compared to the $10m+ its gonna take to keep McGee, i'll take that... as i've stated before, i'll take substance over style especially at center postion.

Hey, I'm not hating bro. I think you and I are on the same page when it comes to the Wiz needing solid veterans. I'm not as high on Dalembert as you are, although we absolutely agree on Scola. I'd do Blatche+prospects for Scola in a second.

Keep your ideas coming!

[LyricalRico]

Assuming the C's decide it's over and blow it up, Phoenix moves Nash, and Orlando goes all in for a run with Howard...can we get in on that?

Wizards trade: Blatche and Young
Wizards receive: JRich and Duhon

Suns trade: Nash and Lopez
Suns receive: Nelson and Blatche

Celtics trade: Garnett
Celtics receve: Young, Lopez, Redick, Anderson, Orton

Magic trade: Nelson, Redick, JRich, Anderson, Orton
Magic receive: Garnett and Nash

(Couldn't run it through the checker, but it seems to work under the cap by my math.)

We swap our biggest knuckleheads for steady veterans without adding much in the way of longterm salary. Phoenix two guys in return for Nash that probably start for them, and they can still have max cap room next summer if they amnesty Childress. Boston moves Garnett for both immediate luxtax relief and a slew of young players. Orlando make one last run with Howard and clears their cap in case he leaves.

Maybe the C's or Magic send us a couple of seconds, but other than that I like it for everybody.

[forbes20]

here are a few trades I think are reasonable and would be solid for our team:

#1: Blatche/Turiaf for Okafor
Blatche is still owed 29.7m, Turiaf is 4.3m this year... okafor has this and then 2 yearrs at a total of 40.5m. so the wizards eat 6.5m in extra salary in order to dump Blatche. However, Okafors deal is a year shorter than Blatche, and expires right in time to extend Wall. Okafor is very smart, a good guy, plays solid defense, and will get you 8/8/1.5blks. He is everything they want Serephin to be, just 6 years older. He can slide to pf, and then to backup pf/c if we draft a stud or Vesely pans out at pf.

#2:I'd love to trade Blatche to Charlotte for Diaw, but I doubt MJ does that.
Blatche/Turiaf/Crawford/Evans for Diaw ($9m expiring) and Carroll (2yrs and 7.4m)
Diaw is a solid all around rebounding and passing "big" man. Slidies to pf next to McGee.

#3: Blatche/Turiaf/Crawford for Biedrins/Rush
or Blatche/Turiaf/Crawford/Evans for Biedrins/Udoh

#4: Blatche/ Crawford for Walton/Kapono/Ebanks

#5: Blatche/Turiaf/Young/Crawford for Jefferson/Burk

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

^
Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, every last one of those trades

[nate33]

here are a few trades I think are reasonable and would be solid for our team:

#1: Blatche/Turiaf for Okafor
Blatche is still owed 29.7m, Turiaf is 4.3m this year... okafor has this and then 2 yearrs at a total of 40.5m. so the wizards eat 6.5m in extra salary in order to dump Blatche. However, Okafors deal is a year shorter than Blatche, and expires right in time to extend Wall. Okafor is very smart, a good guy, plays solid defense, and will get you 8/8/1.5blks. He is everything they want Serephin to be, just 6 years older. He can slide to pf, and then to backup pf/c if we draft a stud or Vesely pans out at pf.

#2:I'd love to trade Blatche to Charlotte for Diaw, but I doubt MJ does that.
Blatche/Turiaf/Crawford/Evans for Diaw ($9m expiring) and Carroll (2yrs and 7.4m)
Diaw is a solid all around rebounding and passing "big" man. Slidies to pf next to McGee.

#3: Blatche/Turiaf/Crawford for Biedrins/Rush
or Blatche/Turiaf/Crawford/Evans for Biedrins/Udoh

#4: Blatche/ Crawford for Walton/Kapono/Ebanks

#5: Blatche/Turiaf/Young/Crawford for Jefferson/Burk

Some interesting ideas here. Trade #1 is a good one. It gets us a better veteran big with a better attitude than Blatche; and Okafor comes off the books just in time to resign Wall, so there's really no cap implications. it's kinda similar to my David Lee proposals, only Okafor's contract is shorter. I like it.

Trade #2 works as a pure salary dump, but I'm not in love with the pieces we get back. Diaw is another player like Booker and Vesely - a SF/PF tweener who can't shoot. I'd probably do this purely for salary dump purposes, but I'd prefer to get back a more useful piece. Maybe a three-way could be worked out where Diaw is flipped for some other mediocre player with an expiring contract, but one who fills a need a bit better.

I don't like the Biedrins idea much. His contract is a year shorter so that helps, but I think he might be even harder to move down the road. Biedrins has been pretty bad, and very injury prone player for a few years now. At $9M a year, we'd surely be stuck with him. With Blatche, there's at least a chance he has one of his months of good play where we might be able to dump him.

I'm not sure Trade #4 works under the CBA. I didn't run the numbers, but it seems like we're giving out a lot more salary than we're taking back. Anyhow, that's another pure dump of Blatche's contract. I'd do it, but I'd wait until the offseason (assuming we can't find a way to unload him easier).

I don't see why Utah would do Trade #5.