Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

[FluLikeSymptoms]

I think Lamb is just a flat out better prospect than Barnes. Lamb is quicker on his feet and on the ball, is more freakish physically for his position, and what is the bball IQ/feel for the court and shooting that makes Barnes' hype is even more true for Lamb. I can see Lamb being a standout north south player enough to be a star, while I'd be surprised if Barnes wasn't the spot up 3pt shooting SF guy. I like Barnes but not over Lamb

You can't compare Barnes and Lamb like that, 2 completely different types of players that will have 2 completely different roles in the NBA.

This is true, but I would certainly argue that Lamb's projected role is more valuable.

[Reignman]

I think Lamb is just a flat out better prospect than Barnes. Lamb is quicker on his feet and on the ball, is more freakish physically for his position, and what is the bball IQ/feel for the court and shooting that makes Barnes' hype is even more true for Lamb. I can see Lamb being a standout north south player enough to be a star, while I'd be surprised if Barnes wasn't the spot up 3pt shooting SF guy. I like Barnes but not over Lamb

You can't compare Barnes and Lamb like that, 2 completely different types of players that will have 2 completely different roles in the NBA.

This is true, but I would certainly argue that Lamb's projected role is more valuable.

Depends on your view. I see Barnes like a Paul Pierce type who will have one of the best jumpers in the league. He'll also defend and rebound.

I view Lamb as a Michael Redd type.

So in my mind it would be an easy decision to take Barnes.

[Alfred]

That's where comparisons are a trap. Remember when people said that Eric Gordon would be a Ben Gordon clone in the NBA and then used that as a reason why they didn't want to draft him?

Comparisons are useful as a way of understanding how a guy plays, but lining up two comparisons next to one another isn't a very good way of determining which player is going to be better.

[Marlo Stanfield]

That's where comparisons are a trap. Remember when people said that Eric Gordon would be a Ben Gordon clone in the NBA and then used that as a reason why they didn't want to draft him?

Comparisons are useful as a way of understanding how a guy plays, but lining up two comparisons next to one another isn't a very good way of determining which player is going to be better.

[Alfred]

The skills chart on the right is actually pretty close to reality.

[Trilogy]

The skills chart on the right is actually pretty close to reality.

[Marlo Stanfield]

The skills chart on the right is actually pretty close to reality.

They're overrating him in my opinion.

[Kevin Willis]

Lamb reminds me more of a more talented, stronger motor Honeycutt from UCLA. Tall, lanky that can do a bunch of things. Or someone said Kevin Martin and I can see that with his shooting.

Barnes is more R. Hamilton than Lamb and both Lamb/Barnes have the outside game that Derozan wants to get.

[Al_Oliver]

^I would love to nab Kabongo with a later pick. Of course, his stock could still rise and he still has top 10 potential.

last DX mock I saw, he was in the top 5 for 2013...

[Marlo Stanfield]

^I would love to nab Kabongo with a later pick. Of course, his stock could still rise and he still has top 10 potential.

last DX mock I saw, he was in the top 5 for 2013...

If he tests the waters and his hometown team makes him a promise do you still think he's going back to school? I doubt it.

[fredericklove]

Offensively, Adam Morrison was better than Barnes in college, but knowing what we know now Barnes is probably a better prospect lol.

Nah, I see Morrison having the green light to shoot in college (hence the 28 ppg), he has an incredible range but limited offensively and has less strength, less body control and less explosiveness than Barnes. To me, Barnes has a wider range of offensive moves than Morrison.

[fredericklove]

If he tests the waters and his hometown team makes him a promise do you still think he's going back to school? I doubt it.

This draft lacks serious elite point guard prospect. some teams that seriously need a point guard might take him early. So I think he has a pretty good shot cracking the 11-15 range, he might be 2nd point guard coming off (after Tony Wroten).

[Marlo Stanfield]

If he tests the waters and his hometown team makes him a promise do you still think he's going back to school? I doubt it.

This draft lacks serious elite point guard prospect. some teams that seriously need a point guard might take him early. So I think he has a pretty good shot cracking the 11-15 range, he might be 2nd point guard coming off (after Tony Wroten).

Yup, which makes the prospect of him going back even less.

[Undefeated]

I think Harrison Barnes will display a better floor game in the NBA than what he’s currently showing at the college level because Roy Williams runs a strict offensive system that doesn’t allow much freedom for his wing players other than moving off the ball and popping spot up jumpers. Already a stellar defender and rebounder with a silky smooth jumper that’s money to top it all off is easily a valuable player. Give Barnes more freedom to work with the ball in his hands and there’s no doubt in my mind he'll disappoint. Barnes absolutely had no trouble putting the ball on the floor taking it strong to the hoop last night, so he’s more than a catch-and-shoot jumpshooter when he’s being aggressive. I remember last year, Barnes would expose the ball to his defender when he’s sizing up and get the ball stripped as he gets into either a shooting motion or setting up for a drive by. This year, he’s doing a far better job protecting the ball and utilizing screens to get past his defender to get inside. He’s showing a good inside-out dribble stepping into a frontal crossover quickly that I didn’t see too much in his freshman year. In the glimpses I've seen when Barnes is creating for himself instead of Kendall Marhsall, it doesn't look too bad.

Same goes for Jeremy Lamb. Most underrated aspect of his game this year is his playmaking running the pick-and-roll. He's doing a phenomenal job playing off of his shooting to create for his teammates.

[RomaniaLuvTR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6IiwTvkUdI perfect SF FOR US..enough with quincy miller or other crap

[sunny]

I think Harrison Barnes will display a better floor game in the NBA than what he’s currently showing at the college level because Roy Williams runs a strict offensive system that doesn’t allow much freedom for his wing players other than moving off the ball and popping spot up jumpers. Already a stellar defender and rebounder with a silky smooth jumper that’s money to top it all off is easily a valuable player. Give Barnes more freedom to work with the ball in his hands and there’s no doubt in my mind he'll disappoint. Barnes absolutely had no trouble putting the ball on the floor taking it strong to the hoop last night, so he’s more than a catch-and-shoot jumpshooter when he’s being aggressive. I remember last year, Barnes would expose the ball to his defender when he’s sizing up and get the ball stripped as he gets into either a shooting motion or setting up for a drive by. This year, he’s doing a far better job protecting the ball and utilizing screens to get past his defender to get inside. He’s showing a good inside-out dribble stepping into a frontal crossover quickly that I didn’t see too much in his freshman year. In the glimpses I've seen when Barnes is creating for himself instead of Kendall Marhsall, it doesn't look too bad.

Same goes for Jeremy Lamb. Most underrated aspect of his game this year is his playmaking running the pick-and-roll. He's doing a phenomenal job playing off of his shooting to create for his teammates.

1) Look at where roy williams players have been selected in the draft.
2) Realize the only all star he coached was Paul Pierce.
3) Reevaluate everything you just said.

[Truthrising]

I think Harrison Barnes will display a better floor game in the NBA than what he’s currently showing at the college level because Roy Williams runs a strict offensive system that doesn’t allow much freedom for his wing players other than moving off the ball and popping spot up jumpers. Already a stellar defender and rebounder with a silky smooth jumper that’s money to top it all off is easily a valuable player. Give Barnes more freedom to work with the ball in his hands and there’s no doubt in my mind he'll disappoint. Barnes absolutely had no trouble putting the ball on the floor taking it strong to the hoop last night, so he’s more than a catch-and-shoot jumpshooter when he’s being aggressive. I remember last year, Barnes would expose the ball to his defender when he’s sizing up and get the ball stripped as he gets into either a shooting motion or setting up for a drive by. This year, he’s doing a far better job protecting the ball and utilizing screens to get past his defender to get inside. He’s showing a good inside-out dribble stepping into a frontal crossover quickly that I didn’t see too much in his freshman year. In the glimpses I've seen when Barnes is creating for himself instead of Kendall Marhsall, it doesn't look too bad.

Same goes for Jeremy Lamb. Most underrated aspect of his game this year is his playmaking running the pick-and-roll. He's doing a phenomenal job playing off of his shooting to create for his teammates.

1) Look at where roy williams players have been selected in the draft.
2) Realize the only all star he coached was Paul Pierce.
3) Reevaluate everything you just said.[/quote]

[Truthrising]

Depends on your view. I see Barnes like a Paul Pierce type who will have one of the best jumpers in the league. He'll also defend and rebound.

I view Lamb as a Michael Redd type.

So in my mind it would be an easy decision to take Barnes.

but in reality your opinion means less than that of scouts who probably have better track records.

[fredericklove]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6IiwTvkUdI perfect SF FOR US..enough with quincy miller or other crap

Nice, I've never seen this version before.

[fredericklove]

I think Harrison Barnes will display a better floor game in the NBA than what he’s currently showing at the college level because Roy Williams runs a strict offensive system that doesn’t allow much freedom for his wing players other than moving off the ball and popping spot up jumpers. Already a stellar defender and rebounder with a silky smooth jumper that’s money to top it all off is easily a valuable player. Give Barnes more freedom to work with the ball in his hands and there’s no doubt in my mind he'll disappoint. Barnes absolutely had no trouble putting the ball on the floor taking it strong to the hoop last night, so he’s more than a catch-and-shoot jumpshooter when he’s being aggressive. I remember last year, Barnes would expose the ball to his defender when he’s sizing up and get the ball stripped as he gets into either a shooting motion or setting up for a drive by. This year, he’s doing a far better job protecting the ball and utilizing screens to get past his defender to get inside. He’s showing a good inside-out dribble stepping into a frontal crossover quickly that I didn’t see too much in his freshman year. In the glimpses I've seen when Barnes is creating for himself instead of Kendall Marhsall, it doesn't look too bad.

Same goes for Jeremy Lamb. Most underrated aspect of his game this year is his playmaking running the pick-and-roll. He's doing a phenomenal job playing off of his shooting to create for his teammates.

1) Look at where roy williams players have been selected in the draft.
2) Realize the only all star he coached was Paul Pierce.
3) Reevaluate everything you just said.

1) Sure they were drafted early and didn't pan out great. But not all of williams' prized prospect turned out sh*t. Lawson was drafted late but he came out looking like a stud now in Nuggets. Same goes to Coach K's players, even some didn't pan out to be a stud, at least one of them will eventually end up looking like one (Kyrie Irving).
2) That tells you not all the wing players he coached will end up looking like sh*t in the NBA.
3) I don't see a problem with his evaluation of Barnes.