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Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#81 » by Ruhiel » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:03 am

Wow I thought it was only me but it seems AJC is banning everybody talking about moving Horford after yesterday's win.

There is some people who've gotten through.

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Edit: sorry uga I did not see your last post. But the argument spun from Bogut vs Horford.

Bogut is the 1st option and Horford the 4th. And the fact Horford plays makes us undersized at center and we have actually been outrebounding teams since he went down.

ESPN Fantasy Projection: Horford is solid but unspectacular for a big man. He can get you at least 15 points and nine boards with great percentages from the field and charity stripe, but he's averaged just 1.1 BPG during his career and his percentages are a bit hollow (12.0 FGA, 2.4 FTA per game last season). The good news is that he took a career-high number of shots last season and churned out a surprising 3.5 APG. His production is reminiscent of Brad Miller's in his prime. He has the ability to do more, but the Hawks are deep on talent, so he won't be asked to do much more unless the Hawks' roster changes.


I would ship off Horford for Bogut, who takes Hawes out of the game and bothers Brand as well.
Smith could actually stick Hawes and Bogut could stick Brand. But we're not getting a quality big without giving up value.

But the identity of this team should be scrappy and grit with size to match. This trade does that.

The identity of the Hawks has changed for the better and its guys like Pachulia (ranked one of the NBA's toughest players) and Ivan and Smith that are tough.
And Bogut fits the new personality more than Horford. Bringing Horford back and debating if he's the 2nd or 3rd option would do nothing for the team.

Teague has more potential and he has Joe, he has Josh all he needs is a Bogut type role player. Set hard screens, foul defenders hard,rebound, roll to basket and score inside off penetration.

Horford is a 4/5 stuck between positions and developed a jumper to compensate for lack of inside play or ability to get inside and take hits. Zaza had 5 FTA yesterday with few touches. He kept balls alive with his height, was just as "efficient" on defense.

Al and Bogut are 2 different players just as Al and Zaza are 2 different players.

Horford's ability to "complement" the core has been overweighted for a long time.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#82 » by Superiorblogman » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:47 am

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=78ytxzl

Joe Johnson and Josh Smith for Garnett and Allen.

Starting over and ridding yourselves of salaries.
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Post#83 » by joe56755 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:15 am

Superiorblogman wrote:http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=78ytxzl

Joe Johnson and Josh Smith for Garnett and Allen.

Starting over and ridding yourselves of salaries.
cant see boston wanting joes contract if they are in the rebuilding stage . i dont even think they could anmesty him could they ?
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Post#84 » by joe56755 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:18 am

oops amnesty
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Post#85 » by Superiorblogman » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:24 am

joe56755 wrote:
Superiorblogman wrote:http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=78ytxzl

Joe Johnson and Josh Smith for Garnett and Allen.

Starting over and ridding yourselves of salaries.
cant see boston wanting joes contract if they are in the rebuilding stage . i dont even think they could anmesty him could they ?


No, they could not amnesty him.
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Post#86 » by AsijsLV » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:39 am

Would you trade Josh Smith and Kirk Hinrich for Kevin Garnett?
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Post#87 » by Superiorblogman » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:32 pm

AsijsLV wrote:Would you trade Josh Smith and Kirk Hinrich for Kevin Garnett?


No
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Post#88 » by MaceCase » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:41 pm

AsijsLV wrote:Would you trade Josh Smith and Kirk Hinrich for Kevin Garnett?

There has to be, and I mean has to be, picks coming back for that email to even be opened by our GM. Boston's, the Clippers', don't matter, pile them on.
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Post#89 » by dms269 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:43 pm

AsijsLV wrote:Would you trade Josh Smith and Kirk Hinrich for Kevin Garnett?


There really isn't any incentive for the Hawks. KG has been a shell of his former self while Josh has been playing well.
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Post#90 » by ATL Boy » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:38 pm

AsijsLV wrote:Would you trade Josh Smith and Kirk Hinrich for Kevin Garnett?

Not a chance
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Post#91 » by ATL Boy » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:54 am

One guy I really like is Anderson Varejao, he's a Center that would fit into our syste; what do you guys think would be a reasonable trade for Varejao???
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Post#92 » by Superiorblogman » Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:09 pm

ATL Boy wrote:One guy I really like is Anderson Varejao, he's a Center that would fit into our syste; what do you guys think would be a reasonable trade for Varejao???


He isn't a C at all IMO, and he definitely is not the type of C we need. I would not give up anything for him. Does not protect the rim or finish any better than what we currently have at that position.
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Post#93 » by ATL Boy » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:35 pm

Superiorblogman wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:One guy I really like is Anderson Varejao, he's a Center that would fit into our syste; what do you guys think would be a reasonable trade for Varejao???


He isn't a C at all IMO, and he definitely is not the type of C we need. I would not give up anything for him. Does not protect the rim or finish any better than what we currently have at that position.

He's averaging over 11 rebounds per game this year, he hustles after every loose ball, and he takes charges at the rim. IDC if he's a PG he would still fit if he does all that.
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Post#94 » by joe56755 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:40 pm

i would give them hinrich and a first for varejao ,but i doubt cleveland would do it . the hawks really dont have anything to offer where the contracts match up .
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Post#95 » by Superiorblogman » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:43 pm

One guy I really like is Anderson Varejao, he's a Center
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ATL Boy wrote:One guy I really like is Anderson Varejao, he's a Center that would fit into our syste; what do you guys think would be a reasonable trade for Varejao???

He isn't a C at all IMO, and he definitely is not the type of C we need. I would not give up anything for him. Does not protect the rim or finish any better than what we currently have at that position. SuperiorQuote

He's averaging over 11 rebounds per game this year, he hustles after every loose ball, and he takes charges at the rim. IDC if he's a PG he would still fit if he does all that.
that would fit into our syste; what do you guys think would be a reasonable trade for Varejao???


More proof that people like you just come on sites like this to try and make weak arguments then get all sensitive when you don't make sense from the start. We don't need another fake C taking up as much cap space as he would. One minute he is a Center the next minute you don't care what he is. Just admit you are frequently wrong and over-sensitive when someone calls you on it. :lol:
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Post#96 » by Superiorblogman » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:46 pm

joe56755 wrote:i would give them hinrich and a first for varejao ,but i doubt cleveland would do it . the hawks really dont have anything to offer where the contracts match up .


Why would we go over the luxury next year for Varejao whom is not what we need? We can't add his $8.4 million next year without using the amnesty on a player or going over the luxury. Not happening for Hinrich and a 1st and should not happen at all. I would vaguely consider Marvin+Zaza+ a future 1st not from this years draft for Varejao and Casppi but I doubt the Cavs would.
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Post#97 » by ATL Boy » Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:32 pm

[/quote] More proof that people like you just come on sites like this to try and make weak arguments then get all sensitive when you don't make sense from the start. We don't need another fake C taking up as much cap space as he would. One minute he is a Center the next minute you don't care what he is. Just admit you are frequently wrong and over-sensitive when someone calls you on it. :lol:[/quote]
This is your counter argument??? Really? Calling me unintelligent and saying that Varejao isn't that good with no facts or stats to back up ur argument? :lol: and your calling me stupid
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Post#98 » by ATL Boy » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:03 am

Would anyone on the board entertain a trade of Smith for Bynum despite Bynum's injury risks???
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Post#99 » by Superiorblogman » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:37 am

ATL Boy wrote:Would anyone on the board entertain a trade of Smith for Bynum despite Bynum's injury risks???


Yes would do it without a 2nd thought
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Post#100 » by Ruhiel » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:03 am

ATL Boy wrote:Would anyone on the board entertain a trade of Smith for Bynum despite Bynum's injury risks???

How about Smith for Wade despite the injury risks? Smith for Kobe?

Point being its been tried. Lakers have no incentive to trade a more valuable player for Smith.

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