Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

Post #401 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:35 pm

nahom1319 wrote:Quincy Miller off to a hot start

How is that game not in HD on Rogers? #3 vs. #5? So dumb.

PJ3 in the post. Nice.

This is a crazy pace.

nahom1319 · Post #402 » by **nahom1319** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:40 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:
nahom1319 wrote:Quincy Miller off to a hot start

How is that game not in HD on Rogers? #3 vs. #5? So dumb.

PJ3 in the post. Nice.

This is a crazy pace.

Its puck town......crap lunch at my house... can someone please give me a basic breakdown of the final 3 mins of this half

Rapsfan07 · Post #403 » by **Rapsfan07** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:43 pm

QUINCY!!!!

Marlo Stanfield · Post #404 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:44 pm

I saw someone say Quincy Miller is nothing but a spot up shooter in the NBA. Smh, watch him play. Tune in RIGHT NOW! NOW I SAY!!

Rapsfan07 · Post #405 » by **Rapsfan07** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:48 pm

BlackFalcon wrote:I saw someone say Quincy Miller is nothing but a spot up shooter in the NBA. Smh, watch him play. Tune in RIGHT NOW! NOW I SAY!!

The great thing about Miller today is not so much how many points he has, it's about how he's getting them.

sunny · Post #406 » by **sunny** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:50 pm

DarkKnight wrote:
sunny wrote:my whole point regarding roy williams and barnes is that I think it is unfair and wrong to assume that his offense is being hindered by the system and that he will show new skills in the nba that he doesn't display in college.

I think its a mistake people have made when discussing unc/duke players over the past decade and the results are always the same IMO.

It's not about him showing new skills - he's shown pretty much every skill you could ask of a wing player. It's about his numbers and the way he gets them. He's shown dribble-drive skill but many will say he's mostly a jump shooter, which is where his looks will come primarily in the UNC offense.

I think people do fall into the trap of projecting players too much, but it's certainly not limited to UNC/duke guys, and scouts fall into the opposite trap as well. Look at lawson, who was too short (7th PG taken in his draft but probably the best all around NBA player of the group now) or Hansbrough (many were calling him a Madsen-type NBA player but he's been a solid rotation guy and was a very good starter for a stretch last year).

The key is to evaluate Skills, Production, and Potential and not get too swayed by any one of the 3. Potential is the sexiest of the 3 but Skills is the most important. A perfect example is Demar - a guy with great potential but almost no skills coming out of college. It's hard to develop skills in the NBA. Barnes has a world of skills - Plus defender, plus shooter, plus IQ, solid handle, plus size, solid athleticism, plus clutch guy. He also has very good production - only 26 minutes per game but 17/5/1 on very good percentages. And he was the highest regarded high schooler in a long time so there's definitely potential.

I agree with much of what you said. However, just because a player becomes good or is likely to succeed in the nba is not necessarily relevant to our conversation or gm's on draft day. Every gm wants to select a player with the potential to be great. If you guarantee me that Barnes will be the 4th best player from the draft class - avg 20 points etc. it still doesn't mean he should be taken 4th (or in that range).

Everyone expects Sully to be a GREAT player in the nba. However, there is a reason nobody is talking about him and raptor fans don't really care. Everyone wants a superstar.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #407 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:51 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
BlackFalcon wrote:I saw someone say Quincy Miller is nothing but a spot up shooter in the NBA. Smh, watch him play. Tune in RIGHT NOW! NOW I SAY!!

The great thing about Miller today is not so much how many points he has, it's about how he's getting them.

Exactly. And his handle is not overrated, for a 6'9"-6'10" its tight. Hell for a 6'5" guy it's tight.

Post #408 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:57 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
BlackFalcon wrote:I saw someone say Quincy Miller is nothing but a spot up shooter in the NBA. Smh, watch him play. Tune in RIGHT NOW! NOW I SAY!!

The great thing about Miller today is not so much how many points he has, it's about how he's getting them.

I like PJ3 on the left block looking for Q at the FT line. Q looked good on that post/spin move on a basic guard entry pass there, too. Triple-threat from the mid/high-post sounds better than catapult for Quincy.

Dr Positivity · Post #409 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:04 pm

A Davis is to KG as Demar was to Vince. Athletically it isn't even remotely close. I would say A Davis is 1 standard deviation away from the mean athletically in the NBA while KG was like 3. I don't think A Davis is even on Bosh's level athletically. A Davis is closer to Amir, just taller

And like the DD/Vince comparison KG was far more skilled at his age than A Davis

I'm really starting to lean take Drummond 1st. The reason being is that the chance to draft a superstar is RIDICULOUSLY rare for a team. Like once every 5-10 years rare. Even if it's more of a risk I just don't feel comfortable taking a player first if I'm expecting very good and not incredible. I think Davis is going to be a Bogut level franchise player. Top 3-5 defensive player, mediocore offense. And in this case if Drummond fails I think he's still Deandre Jordan which isn't terrible

Post #410 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:10 pm

Quincy dominant?

Marlo Stanfield · Post #411 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:12 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:Quincy dominant?

getabucket.com

nahom1319 · Post #412 » by **nahom1319** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:14 pm

Recap of the begining of the second half and final 3 minutes of first half?

I take it alot of Quincy yelling "ITS EASY"

Post #413 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:18 pm

nahom1319 wrote:Recap of the begining of the second half and final 3 minutes of first half?

I take it alot of Quincy yelling "ITS EASY"

Quincy scoring a few different ways in the paint and hitting one 3. Baylor playing through him.

fredericklove · Post #414 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:21 pm

DarkKnight wrote:
I think its a mistake people have made when discussing unc/duke players over the past decade and the results are always the same IMO.

It's not about him showing new skills - he's shown pretty much every skill you could ask of a wing player. It's about his numbers and the way he gets them. He's shown dribble-drive skill but many will say he's mostly a jump shooter, which is where his looks will come primarily in the UNC offense.

I think people do fall into the trap of projecting players too much, but it's certainly not limited to UNC/duke guys, and scouts fall into the opposite trap as well. Look at lawson, who was too short (7th PG taken in his draft but probably the best all around NBA player of the group now) or Hansbrough (many were calling him a Madsen-type NBA player but he's been a solid rotation guy and was a very good starter for a stretch last year).

The key is to evaluate Skills, Production, and Potential and not get too swayed by any one of the 3. Potential is the sexiest of the 3 but Skills is the most important. A perfect example is Demar - a guy with great potential but almost no skills coming out of college. It's hard to develop skills in the NBA. Barnes has a world of skills - Plus defender, plus shooter, plus IQ, solid handle, plus size, solid athleticism, plus clutch guy. He also has very good production - only 26 minutes per game but 17/5/1 on very good percentages. And he was the highest regarded high schooler in a long time so there's definitely potential.

+1

Rapsfan07 · Post #415 » by **Rapsfan07** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:24 pm

Pierre Jackson looks a little like Lebron. lol they could pass as brothers

HSOB SIRHC · Post #416 » by **HSOB SIRHC** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:29 pm

Has anyone talked about possibly getting a second first round pick to go after Kendall Marshall? He seems like a solid pass-first PG with good size.

Rapsfan07 · Post #417 » by **Rapsfan07** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:32 pm

HSOB SIRHC wrote:Has anyone talked about possibly getting a second first round pick to go after Kendall Marshall? He seems like a solid pass-first PG with good size.

Lots of people have. He's good but outside of passing he doesn't offer much. Not a scorer and won't be able to keep up defensively. I like him but would rather Wroten.

Dr Positivity · Post #418 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:33 pm

HSOB SIRHC wrote:Has anyone talked about possibly getting a second first round pick to go after Kendall Marshall? He seems like a solid pass-first PG with good size.

I think he's going to be the underrated pickup of this draft. He's not as slow as his rep suggests. And a jumper can be developed, it's not like he never hits them.

I think there's so little true pass first PGs nowadays that Marshall can find a place in the league

fredericklove · Post #419 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:34 pm

sunny wrote:
DarkKnight wrote:
I agree with much of what you said. However, just because a player becomes good or is likely to succeed in the nba is not necessarily relevant to our conversation or gm's on draft day. Every gm wants to select a player with the potential to be great. If you guarantee me that Barnes will be the 4th best player from the draft class - avg 20 points etc. it still doesn't mean he should be taken 4th (or in that range).

Everyone expects Sully to be a GREAT player in the nba. However, there is a reason nobody is talking about him and raptor fans don't really care. Everyone wants a superstar.

Potential wise even though Barnes is not as high as others but he's got your go-to guy scorer potential and many lottery teams that desperately need instant impact would love to have him (Cavs, Raps, Piston, Wizards and Lolcats etc). If Barnes can avg 20 points in the NBA then he's definitely worthy of 3rd-4th pick because not many wing players that can score points like that in the nba anymore, you'll see more scoring point guards coming into the nba while some scoring shooting guards are diminishing, and even at the 3 spot there's not too many - leborn, kd and melo at high end while gay and deng at middle, so on and on. With Barnes' combination of range and dribble-drive ability, alot of teams would love to have him and run plays for him and want a scorer like him.

Sully is a great 20 and 10 potential type that has great leadership and a good passer for his size, if wizards and NO got him they'll have a steal, the raptors don't talk about him cos we need a guy who can both defend and score. Sully isn't really a great defender at the 4 cos he's undersize and not athletic enough to guard the quicker 4. We want ADs cos they can potentially change the game at both end.

fredericklove · Post #420 » by **fredericklove** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:36 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:
nahom1319 wrote:Recap of the begining of the second half and final 3 minutes of first half?

I take it alot of Quincy yelling "ITS EASY"

Quincy scoring a few different ways in the paint and hitting one 3. Baylor playing through him.

its nice to see PJ3 no longer being the golden boy, he doesn't deserve it, the dude lacks fire. so its nice to see Mr. Easy to take over that role.

Who do you want the Raptors to draft in the 2012 NBA Draft?