Knicks-Nuggets Post Game (Free Candy Strikes)

[BBALLER4FR]

On a side note, Im sick of seeing melo playing point forward and dribbling it from the top of the key.. cant wait to have a real PG that will get the ball to our players' sweet spots.. If were going to iso melo, do it right.. get him the on the wings and let him make a play.. Melos been doing too much dribbling for my taste..

EXACTLY. Melo is NOT a PG. He's not Lebron. He's not Kobe. He's not Wade. He's not MJ. He's not Pippen. He's not a guy that can be used in that type of situation where he gets the ball at the 3 point circle and is expected to either: a) find an open man or b) put the ball on the floor and create for himself. That's not his game. Has never been his game. He's better when he's closer to the basket. Any Nugget fan should be able to confirm that. Not when he's always starting the play out by the arc. Have been saying that for days now.

Then why is he recieving it and slowly dribbling out the clock? It's the same thing Crawford used to do. If you're not a point and you have no point skills then don't play the point. He chose that role. He gets blamed when he can't recognize a triple team.

[moocow007]

On a side note, Im sick of seeing melo playing point forward and dribbling it from the top of the key.. cant wait to have a real PG that will get the ball to our players' sweet spots.. If were going to iso melo, do it right.. get him the on the wings and let him make a play.. Melos been doing too much dribbling for my taste..

EXACTLY. Melo is NOT a PG. He's not Lebron. He's not Kobe. He's not Wade. He's not MJ. He's not Pippen. He's not a guy that can be used in that type of situation where he gets the ball at the 3 point circle and is expected to either: a) find an open man or b) put the ball on the floor and create for himself. That's not his game. Has never been his game. He's better when he's closer to the basket. Any Nugget fan should be able to confirm that. Not when he's always starting the play out by the arc. Have been saying that for days now.

Then why is he recieving it and slowly dribbling out the clock? It's the same thing Crawford used to do. If you're not a point and you have no point skills then don't play the point. He chose that role. He gets blamed when he can't recognize a triple team.

Ask the head coach that. Ask Toney Douglas that. One is the one that should be dictating who does it...the other is the one that is supposed to do it. Neither is or should be Anthony. And yet, everyone keeps passing him the ball when they shoudln't.

[qbiggz]

I don't know that Melo chose this role to play point forward. Obviously, it's from lack of better options.

[moocow007]

What exactly is a head coach for again? What exactly is a point guard for again? If the argument is that we have neither then fine, Carmelo Anthony should be getting the ball in those situations he shouldn't be getting the ball and doing whatever the heck he shouldn't be doing.

[BBALLER4FR]

Cmon Moo, Melo recieved the ball from the inbounder top side of that pic. For starters, he's facing Douglas so he sees him. Second, he probably waves Douglas off or barks at him for bringing his man if Toney even attempts to come to the ball. Third, Melo stopped at the half court area and proceed to slowly dribble, an indication he was doing all the lifting teammates be damned. Fouth Douglas's defender flashes first so he's gotta know Toney is open. Finally, you can see him looking directly at Fields when his guy eventually triple teams.

Melo continuously sets these scenarios up and they play out the same everytime (him going up against multiple players). Sometimes he hits it, today he blew it royally.

? He's facing Fields when the Nuggets players collapsed on him. Douglas was behind him on the other side. He probably waves? Did he or didnt' he? Didn't look like to me he had much of an opportunity to wave and I didn't notice him waving anyone off. Toney Douglas needs to let him know. Yes, and again, Carmelo hogged and held too long, but Douglas and Fields need to let him know but saying the simple word "Open!". Players say that all the time on other teams.

He's barked at Jeffries for blowing a game. You don't think he throws Toney under the bus for interrupting his flow? And he waved Amare off (posting up Nene) earlier in the game.When Melo is determined to take a shot he will wave you off. I'm sure Toney wasn't about to blow up a $h!tty play Melo (or D'Antoni) designed. Becuase neither Melo nor Mike would catch the heat....only Toney.

[moocow007]

I don't know that Melo chose this role to play point forward. Obviously, it's from lack of better options.

Yeah. To say that somehow Melo has overrode both the head coach and the teams point guard and is putting himself in that situation all the time is just crazy. And if he is able to do so, all the more reason to get rid of both coach and point guard.

[BBALLER4FR]

What exactly is a head coach for again? What exactly is a point guard for again? If the argument is that we have neither then fine, Carmelo Anthony should be getting the ball in those situations he shouldn't be getting the ball and doing whatever the heck he shouldn't be doing.

Didn't Mike say Melo would play Point Forward? Is it that far fetched that both of your questions are easily answered and neither answer acceptable to any same individual?

[moocow007]

Cmon Moo, Melo recieved the ball from the inbounder top side of that pic. For starters, he's facing Douglas so he sees him. Second, he probably waves Douglas off or barks at him for bringing his man if Toney even attempts to come to the ball. Third, Melo stopped at the half court area and proceed to slowly dribble, an indication he was doing all the lifting teammates be damned. Fouth Douglas's defender flashes first so he's gotta know Toney is open. Finally, you can see him looking directly at Fields when his guy eventually triple teams.

Melo continuously sets these scenarios up and they play out the same everytime (him going up against multiple players). Sometimes he hits it, today he blew it royally.

? He's facing Fields when the Nuggets players collapsed on him. Douglas was behind him on the other side. He probably waves? Did he or didnt' he? Didn't look like to me he had much of an opportunity to wave and I didn't notice him waving anyone off. Toney Douglas needs to let him know. Yes, and again, Carmelo hogged and held too long, but Douglas and Fields need to let him know but saying the simple word "Open!". Players say that all the time on other teams.

He's barked at Jeffries for blowing a game. You don't think he throws Toney under the bus for interrupting his flow? And he waved Amare off (posting up Nene) earlier in the game.When Melo is determined to take a shot he will wave you off. I'm sure Toney wasn't about to blow up a $h!tty play Melo (or D'Antoni) designed. Becuase neither Melo nor Mike would catch the heat....only Toney.

EVERYONE NEEDS TO DO THEIR JOB. MIKE D'ANTONI'S JOB IS TO DICTATE WHO DOES WHAT. TONEY DOUGLAS' JOB IS TO HANDLE THE BALL. NEITHER JOB IS CARMELO ANTHONYS!

[moocow007]

What exactly is a head coach for again? What exactly is a point guard for again? If the argument is that we have neither then fine, Carmelo Anthony should be getting the ball in those situations he shouldn't be getting the ball and doing whatever the heck he shouldn't be doing.

Didn't Mike say Melo would play Point Forward? Is it that far fetched that both of your questions are easily answered and neither answer acceptable to any same individual?

Then Mike D'Antoni is the problem. Unless you want Carmelo to not listen to the head coach? And if he does that then he's a cancer for not following orders and doing his own thing right?

[JustCame]

Gallo is a b*tch and the refs were horrible.

[qbiggz]

Cmon Moo, Melo recieved the ball from the inbounder top side of that pic. For starters, he's facing Douglas so he sees him. Second, he probably waves Douglas off or barks at him for bringing his man if Toney even attempts to come to the ball. Third, Melo stopped at the half court area and proceed to slowly dribble, an indication he was doing all the lifting teammates be damned. Fouth Douglas's defender flashes first so he's gotta know Toney is open. Finally, you can see him looking directly at Fields when his guy eventually triple teams.

Melo continuously sets these scenarios up and they play out the same everytime (him going up against multiple players). Sometimes he hits it, today he blew it royally.

? He's facing Fields when the Nuggets players collapsed on him. Douglas was behind him on the other side. He probably waves? Did he or didnt' he? Didn't look like to me he had much of an opportunity to wave and I didn't notice him waving anyone off. Toney Douglas needs to let him know. Yes, and again, Carmelo hogged and held too long, but Douglas and Fields need to let him know but saying the simple word "Open!". Players say that all the time on other teams.

He's barked at Jeffries for blowing a game. You don't think he throws Toney under the bus for interrupting his flow? And he waved Amare off (posting up Nene) earlier in the game.When Melo is determined to take a shot he will wave you off. I'm sure Toney wasn't about to blow up a $h!tty play Melo (or D'Antoni) designed. Becuase neither Melo nor Mike would catch the heat....only Toney.

That sounds like a problem with the coach...when he doesn't treat everyone equally. Phil Jackson would have no problem barking at Kobe as he would at Sasha Vujacic.

[moocow007]

Gallo is a bitch and the refs were horrible.

Gallo did what he had to do to lead his team to a victory so can't really say anything bad about him.

[kNicksGmen]

I mean honestly, honestly, Douglas was his usual useless and lost self. He's standing there watching on Melo's weakside (meaning Melo doesn't even have a direct view of him like he did with Fields) and he does nothing when the triple team comes, just stands there looking. A real PG (or even a smart player) in that situation would come across behind Melo to give melo an option of passing it or at least try to set a screen...something. Nothing happened...zippo.

douglas has bagel bball IQ

[BBALLER4FR]

I don't know that Melo chose this role to play point forward. Obviously, it's from lack of better options.

Yeah. To say that somehow Melo has overrode both the head coach and the teams point guard and is putting himself in that situation all the time is just crazy. And if he is able to do so, all the more reason to get rid of both coach and point guard.

I don;t think Melo overrode the coach. I think the play was drawn up for Melo (the guy who usually comes up big in these situations). I just think Melo's recognition was awful and moreso, his ego takes a backseat to rational thought with less than 10 seconds to go in a game.

[BBALLER4FR]

EVERYONE NEEDS TO DO THEIR JOB. MIKE D'ANTONI'S JOB IS TO DICTATE WHO DOES WHAT. TONEY DOUGLAS' JOB IS TO HANDLE THE BALL. NEITHER JOB IS CARMELO ANTHONYS!

C'mon sweety. You ain't gotta yell. Let's make up before the kids see us arguing

[NyKnicks1714]

What exactly is a head coach for again? What exactly is a point guard for again? If the argument is that we have neither then fine, Carmelo Anthony should be getting the ball in those situations he shouldn't be getting the ball and doing whatever the heck he shouldn't be doing.

Didn't Mike say Melo would play Point Forward? Is it that far fetched that both of your questions are easily answered and neither answer acceptable to any same individual?

Then Mike D'Antoni is the problem. Unless you want Carmelo to not listen to the head coach? And if he does that then he's a cancer for not following orders and doing his own thing right?

Mike's telling him to be the primary ball handler, which makes sense since he's the most well equipped player on this team for that. It doesn't mean he told him to ignore his teammates and shoot contested jumpers.

[BBALLER4FR]

Then Mike D'Antoni is the problem. Unless you want Carmelo to not listen to the head coach? And if he does that then he's a cancer for not following orders and doing his own thing right?

Mike's telling him to be the primary ball handler, which makes sense since he's the most well equipped player on this team for that. It doesn't mean he told him to ignore his teammates and shoot contested jumpers.

That's what I'm thinking.

[qbiggz]

Then Mike D'Antoni is the problem. Unless you want Carmelo to not listen to the head coach? And if he does that then he's a cancer for not following orders and doing his own thing right?

Mike's telling him to be the primary ball handler, which makes sense since he's the most well equipped player on this team for that. It doesn't mean he told him to ignore his teammates and shoot contested jumpers.

That's what I'm thinking.

Make Melo accountable. Don't provide excuses or go right back to the same play again next time in a similar situation. I don't see D'Antoni putting up much of a fight here, he is empowering Melo to do what Melo wants.

[kNicksGmen]

I don't know that Melo chose this role to play point forward. Obviously, it's from lack of better options.

Yeah. To say that somehow Melo has overrode both the head coach and the teams point guard and is putting himself in that situation all the time is just crazy. And if he is able to do so, all the more reason to get rid of both coach and point guard.

I don;t think Melo overrode the coach. I think the play was drawn up for Melo (the guy who usually comes up big in these situations). I just think Melo's recognition was awful and moreso, his ego takes a backseat to rational thought with less than 10 seconds to go in a game.

he tried to pass the ball but lost the handle, are you forgetting the only reason the knicks got back in the game was because of melo?

[moocow007]

I don't know that Melo chose this role to play point forward. Obviously, it's from lack of better options.

Yeah. To say that somehow Melo has overrode both the head coach and the teams point guard and is putting himself in that situation all the time is just crazy. And if he is able to do so, all the more reason to get rid of both coach and point guard.

I don;t think Melo overrode the coach. I think the play was drawn up for Melo (the guy who usually comes up big in these situations). I just think Melo's recognition was awful and moreso, his ego takes a backseat to rational thought with less than 10 seconds to go in a game.

Then it's the job of the coach to recognize that and not call that play or put him in that situation. But what does D'Antoni do? Same thing over and over and over and over again. Which is why I don't think waiting for more time makes sense. You can judge a person by what he does even if he doesn't have the greatest deck to begin with and what D'Antoni has done is mind boggling, confounding and frustrating way too many times. His job. Control the team. Figure out the team. Get the team to play well. Maximize the players on the team. His job. Not anyone else's job. Short deck or bad hand aside, he's not played his hand well at all...at all.

I wish Carmelo Anthony was more able to be a point forward but I think he's shown that he's not one (see not favoring Carmelo guys). And since he's not, why keep doing it. Why keep repeating the same mistake over and over and over and over again. Reasons are one of two things again. 1. D'Antoni's stupid. 2. He has no choice. Either one, it's not Carmelo Anthony's fault for doing something he shouldn't be doing regardless of how bad it is that he's doing what he shouldn't be doing.

Does it mean he's perfect and blameless? NO. But he's being blamed for things that really he shouldn't be blamed for too too great a degree. To expect him to be Lebron James is silly. And that's basically what people are pretty much basing this on. Kevin Durant doesn't have to do what Carmelo is doing and if he were he'd struggle as well cause it's not what he does best. Does that mean Durant is crap? No...because Durant is actually in a role that he's best suited for...as THE NO.1 offensive weapon for his team. Not to be the guy that runs the offense and is supposed to get everyone else involved (that's Harden's and Westbrooks and the rest of their guards jobs as well as the job of their coach to make sure that the team knows what to do, does it well, executes, plays focused, doesn't repeatedly make mistakes, that players aren't playing roles they aren't good at, etc, etc, etc.).