LAL/ORL/MIN

Post #1 » by **Klomp** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:31 am

Lakers Out: Gasol, Bynum
Lakers In: Howard, Turkoglu, Johnson

Magic Out: Howard, Turkoglu
Magic In: Bynum, Beasley, Miller

Wolves Out: Beasley, Miller, Johnson
Wolves In: Gasol

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7kmjjp4

[RCG] · Post #2 » by **[RCG]** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:41 am

Rather keep at least one of Beasley/Johnson. If it were Webster + Memphis 1st instead of some sort of alternative I would like it better but this leaves us with holes at SG & SF. Gasol is a questionable fit at C

jscott · Post #3 » by **jscott** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:49 am

LA fans continually say, "we won't trade both Gasol and Bynum for Howard" and with the way Bynum has started out this season I don't blame them.

Post #4 » by **Klomp** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:59 am

[RCG] wrote:Rather keep at least one of Beasley/Johnson. If it were Webster + Memphis 1st instead of some sort of alternative I would like it better but this leaves us with holes at SG & SF. Gasol is a questionable fit at C

I originally had Webster instead of Johnson, but thought Lakers might rather have Johnson. Also, Webster would likely be our new SF after this trade, though I suppose Johnson could as well.

jscott wrote:LA fans continually say, "we won't trade both Gasol and Bynum for Howard" and with the way Bynum has started out this season I don't blame them.

But we're letting them have Johnson too... :lol:

Also, money-wise, Orlando will want LA to take Turkoglu, and I'm not sure it will work without Gasol also going out. This deal actually saves LA money.

shrink · Post #5 » by **shrink** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:11 am

I would not want soft, ill-fitting, old, and especially expensive Pau Gasol chewing up a third of our payroll.

breatnach · Post #6 » by **breatnach** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:17 am

EDIT: wrong topic I just noticed

change · Post #7 » by **change** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:52 am

gross for us

Kumar · Post #8 » by **Kumar** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:50 am

If the grossly overpaid Gasol can be had for that cheap, why not?

Saltine · Post #9 » by **Saltine** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:10 am

It would ruin our cap for 2 more years, and he is getting worse, not better... Let LA deal with fading, overpaid, old guys, we don't need them.

shrink · Post #10 » by **shrink** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:08 pm

Saltine wrote:It would ruin our cap for 2 more years, and he is getting worse, not better... Let LA deal with fading, overpaid, old guys, we don't need them.

+1. The improvement he may provide this season does not make up for the damage he'd cost us the next two. Our future is bright - let's not dim it!

karch34 · Post #11 » by **karch34** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:11 pm

Can't wait until Pau is traded so we don't discuss him coming to the wolves anymore. He's way too much for a guy on the downslide. Numbers good this year, but would rather write him off a year early.

Fire Mchale · Post #12 » by **Fire Mchale** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:33 pm

I pass.

I don't want anything on the Lakers roster not named Kobe or Bynum. The only way I take Pau is if we can get him for a combo platter of Miller, Webster and Darko. Otherwise I'll pass.

The same holds true with anything the Celtics have. We are a team filled with young guys who we are trying to evaluate, not a team on the edge of a title run. Let's not commit ourselves to paying guys when we're not ready to take that final step.

jscott · Post #13 » by **jscott** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:20 pm

I think it's more that other people think we should want Gasol rather than anyone in MN actually wanting him. Pau doesn't make much sense for us [especially considering that amount of players we'd need to move just to meet his cap number].

Our team is playing above expectations right now but our window is 3-4 years in the future. Our oldest candidates for trade should be 27-28 right now.

Marc is the Gasol I'd want.

shrink · Post #14 » by **shrink** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:30 pm

It happens all the time. This is from today's trade board.

Karmaloop wrote:
shrink wrote:Sigh. Argueing that MIN wants to add talent does not mean they want to specifically add YOUR talent.

I posted this elsewhere:

shrink wrote:I'm not against spending the money to bring in a legit star to the Wolves. With super-complimentary players like Love and Rubio, some bigtime scorer could really shine, and Deron certainly could do that. However, I think MIN's priorities would be:

1. #1 scorer mind-set.
2. can create his own shot (nobody on wolves can do this)
3. wants to shoot in the fourth quarter
4. good defensively
5. right age
6. wants to be there
7. not overly expensive

Pau Gasol is not that guy.

1. He's not a #1 scorer and doesn't strive to be.
2. He doesn't create his own shot - no one expects him to
3. I don't know if he wants the ball in the 4th quarter.
4. He's not particularly strong defensively.
5. He's far older than MIN's core
6. I don't know that he'd want to leave the Lakers to go to MIN
7. He's one of the most expensive players in the NBA .. pre trade kicker

If MIN is going to spend that much money, they need to find somebody that fits better.

You're delusional if you think teams are just going to hand over young, #1 type talent regardless of price tags. Not to mention, those young talents generally don't want to play in Minnesota for whatever reason. Kevin Love is your franchise player, and you've got to be committed to winning around him. You're not going to find a young Dwayne Wade or anything like that. He's a career 19/9 player who plays solid defense. I'm not sure you really want someone who creates their own shot, especially if you want to convince Ricky Rubio to stay here long term. Build around Rubio and Love, and put the pieces around them. He's not a great defender, but he does a good job using his length to bother shots. The age is a thing, but Gasol's game translates well even as he gets older. He isn't reliant in his athleticism, and he's an extremely smart player. And who cares what he wants, he's locked into his deal for a while. LIS earlier, the Wolves won't be near cap space until after the 2012/13 season but more than likely not much until after the 2013/14 season, but then at that point they'll need to start thinking about extending players.

I understand you guys may not want Pau Gasol, but let's not act like the Wolves in real life don't have more than passing interest in him. There were rumors pre-draft that the Lakers and Wolves were talking about a Gasol-for-#2 kind of deal after the Wolves initially asked for Bynum, but were rebuffed. And then Wolves fans coming in and saying they won't offer anymore than Beasley (who has significantly lower value than what Wolves fans claim him to have) and a couple of bad contracts to get a top 15 player in the NBA.

Saltine · Post #15 » by **Saltine** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:31 pm

I love how everyone in LA thinks we need another power forward, as if 5 wasn't enough...
Pau costs as much as our 5 combined, Love, Beas, Williams, AR and Tolli cost $20.4 million right now, Pau is at $18.7 million this season, $19 million next year, and $19.3 million the year after. Plus a 15% trade kicker salary bonus. No way in hell is that a smart deal. Especially when Love gets a $9 million raise next year.

We need an SG that's better then Wayne.

And smarter guys in the trade forum, lol

We'd be way better off with Ray Allen's expiring $10 million contract.

HotelVitale · Post #16 » by **HotelVitale** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:10 am

Neutral voice here--you guys would be giving up mediocrity for a terrific NBA player and, in real life, no one in a Minn front office position would have to think twice about accepting this deal.

Also, I know the homer temptation and I feel it too, but there's no way that Beas and Wes Johnson are the sorts of talent Orl is looking for. You guys got Beas for a 2nd-round pick and his stock hasn't gone up much since then, while Wes's upside is shrinking by the day.

[RCG] · Post #17 » by **[RCG]** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:17 am

HotelVitale wrote:Neutral voice here--you guys would be giving up mediocrity for a terrific NBA player and, in real life, no one in a Minn front office position would have to think twice about accepting this deal.

Also, I know the homer temptation and I feel it too, but there's no way that Beas and Wes Johnson are the sorts of talent Orl is looking for. You guys got Beas for a 2nd-round pick and his stock hasn't gone up much since then, while Wes's upside is shrinking by the day.

Thanks for the input but you're wrong.

Saltine · Post #18 » by **Saltine** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:50 am

[RCG] wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:Neutral voice here--you guys would be giving up mediocrity for a terrific NBA player and, in real life, no one in a Minn front office position would have to think twice about accepting this deal.

Also, I know the homer temptation and I feel it too, but there's no way that Beas and Wes Johnson are the sorts of talent Orl is looking for. You guys got Beas for a 2nd-round pick and his stock hasn't gone up much since then, while Wes's upside is shrinking by the day.

Thanks for the input but you're wrong.

LOL!

Jajwanda · Post #19 » by **Jajwanda** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:14 am

He's not. You guys don't even know the value of having a guy like Gasol. Your assets like Beasley and Johnson are nothing. One of them has been terrible the other one is injured and going to be a free agent. Randolph doesn't even play, Webster is an expiring contract coming off an injury. Ridnour is a backup PG, yet I keep hearing thread after thread whining from T'Wolves fans about we're young and this and that. You might be young but the guys you're talking about don't even play on a below 500 team. Oh and as far as money goes, the second Gasol becomes a T'Wolve for a bunch of extra assets, Love signs an extension and Minnesota is on the map.

Oh and Gasol will finally be able to put on some weight and just play C like he should have years ago.

Saltine · Post #20 » by **Saltine** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:22 am

Yep, Gasol is so awesome everyone in LA wants to trade him, it's just amazing to see how much charity you guys have towards us have nots. Truly inspiring.