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[TKF]

Well I think we've beaten this dead horse again lol. I'm going to let the dead horse sleep some now so we can continue to beat him again soon.

Bottom line though: TKF is validated in his love of Gallo -- let's face it, he embarrassed us last night. But one game does not a career make. Melo and Pierce are HOFers most likely ... Gallo is a guy playing for his next contract and a guy who is pretty clearly worse than guys drafted after him (Gordon and Lopez specifically).

So let's not go too far with this.

TKF is right for a day but you know what -- I believe I'm more right in the long run: Our problems are 80% coaching. The pre-Melo team with Gallo and Mozgov was pretty bad and was bad in just the same way that our current team is bad: Because Mike McD'Antoni is a completely horrible, idiotic coach. If we had a good coach, we'd look a lot better ... Gallo or no Gallo, Melo or no Melo.

It's the coaching fellas. The end.

one thing KG, you can downplay all of this and throw jabs about gallo love.. but this is about a way of running a team.. gallo is just a pawn.... in the end, this is my feelings about my team, although you and many others have made this all about gallo... this could be any young talented group of players. it is about a way of doing business.. a way in which the knicks have failed and sucked at for years.. yesterday it was gallo, tomorrow it will be someone else.... but you can keep on with the gallo jabs, and gallo love.. for some reason you thinks it validates your arugument and mitiages mine.. but get this right, I have been right for more than one day, and more right than most on this forum..... Bank on that.. and right now this team stinks, as projected, I hate to be right about that... but it is what it is....

The sad thing is that you seem to be more concerned with tearing down gallo than just owning up to the fact that the knicks are so poorly run that moves like this will continue to happen, and how can you put any faith in an organization like that... just own up to it.. I have.. you are making this about gallo.. not the rest of us...

As a philosophical matter, I will not argue with you. Our organization may be toxic.

I was arguing with the idea that Gallo is on a par with Melo as a talent or in career achievements.

We don't have to make this about Gallo but I can respond to specific things about his game. I'm sympathetic to your claim that the organization is dysfunctional.

But, I want to see a vet PG and coaching change before I believe this roster is bad and unable to win a lot of games.

For the record though, I said long before the Melo trade was done that I was concerned that Melo and Amar'e wouldn't complement each other. I said so MANY times.

who is arguing that, and why does that matter.. what has melo achieved? what have his teams achieved? for all of melo's achievements personally, what has that gotten us.. and honestly, what has melo personally achieved on the NBA level? MVP? all defense? what really has he achieved... I am with clyde.. melo is by no means garbage, just not as good as he has been exalted...

[K_ick_God]

now that's just an epic ownage right there.

Sort of. I was spreading a little propaganda.

I think Gallo is better than OJ Mayo. That's about it. Gordon and Lopez have higher trade value because that's what GM's would say. I think it'd be hard to find a GM who would tell you that Gallo has more value than EG or BL. I think Lopez is overrated too but if the Knicks could draft over, they'd take either Gordon or Lopez. Y'all know that.

[Clyde_Style]

It's just plain obvious you want a cookie or some prize for being "right" about the Melo trade and you won't be satisfied until we're a lottery team and Gallo is hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy. What are you trying to prove at this point? Let it play out without forcing your interpretation of the trade onto every little thing.

how about this.. I will substitute the cookie and being right for a team that can win games. how about that.. this is all I ask for as a fan who suffered through losing seasons, and then was promisedthat this trade was to make us better.. not worse.......

Guy goes to the doctor and says my stomach is killing me. The doctor examines him and says I can fix this. Its a very alternative form of treatment, but it works and patient says he'll do anything. Doctor says pull down your pants and he shoves a banana in his butt and then a chocolate chip cookie and says see me in a week.

Comes back next week and doctor does it again, pull down your pants, yadda yadda and inserts the banana and the cookie and sends him home.

Week three he comes back and the doctor has him pull down his pants again. He puts the banana in his butt and says just stay there, don't pull up your pants and wait. Then the doctor picks up a hammer and stands behind the patient's rear end with the hammer and waits.

Three minutes later a giant tape worm sticks his head out of the guy's butt and says, "Where's my cookie dammit!"

BAM!

Cured.

[TKF]

calling gallinari not an athlete is pretty dumb, there's not many 6'10" wing players that can do what he does.

So being a good dribbler makes you a good athlete?

Thanks for calling me dumb but I think it's dumb & dumber not to be SPECIFIC in where I'm wrong.

Which one of these things does Gallo have that is above average:

First step/quickness
Explosion
Standing jump
Running jump

Tell me which one you think he's better than average at.

If not, tell me what "athletic" ability Gallo has that makes him a good outside dribbler and that gives him guard abilities.

Was Larry Bird an above-average athlete in your opinion? What about Chris Mullen?

Be specific BNO. I'm all ears.

he has a quick enough first step such that his defenders have to reach in and foul him or he goes by them to the hoop. and it helps that he is 6'10", all arms and legs, and can put the ball on the floor for a few dribbles. he uses his body excellently in spite of the fact that he is not a fast runner or a high jumper.

anyone who can use his body to an advantage in a sport is an athlete. any athlete who can continue to find success repeatedly in this fashion is an above-average athlete. gallinari is not an elite athlete but he is a nightmare to guard and since basketball is a game of skill and mind i would say you need to remove the hater glasses you've been wearing.

and DK this is where the knicks show how dumb they are defensively... they all know or should know that gallo has been struggling with his outside shot.. yet they bit on ever head fake.. chandler, then douglas who almost clotheslined him on a fake... stay on your feet and let gallo shoot from deep... when he drives, don't play him, but play the ball, he looks to make contact, so don't play him.. play where his shot is going to be released..... the knicks don't think and any player, especially smart ones will just abuse the knicks.. gallo did just that.. and honestly, I am not suprised.....

[ReyOpz]

still waiting for the answer about besides odom and durant, what 6'10" player can do what gallinari does.

He has rare skills. When did I ever say he doesn't? I'm talking about his athleticism. You are conflating two things.

coast-to-coast ending with a dunk counts?

check the one with the blazers.. so you can see how fast he is.

[TKF]

It's just plain obvious you want a cookie or some prize for being "right" about the Melo trade and you won't be satisfied until we're a lottery team and Gallo is hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy. What are you trying to prove at this point? Let it play out without forcing your interpretation of the trade onto every little thing.

how about this.. I will substitute the cookie and being right for a team that can win games. how about that.. this is all I ask for as a fan who suffered through losing seasons, and then was promisedthat this trade was to make us better.. not worse.......

Guy goes to the doctor and says my stomach is killing me. The doctor examines him and says I can fix this. Its a very alternative form of treatment, but it works and patient says he'll do anything. Doctor says pull down your pants and he shoves a banana in his butt and then a chocolate chip cookie and says see me in a week.

Comes back next week and doctor does it again, pull down your pants, yadda yadda and inserts the banana and the cookie and sends him home.

Week three he comes back and the doctor has him pull down his pants again. He puts the banana in his butt and says just stay there, don't pull up your pants and wait. Then the doctor picks up a hammer and stands behind the patient's rear end with the hammer and waits.

Three minutes later a giant tape worm sticks his head out of the guy's butt and says, "Where's my cookie dammit!"

BAM!

Cured.

[mildred]

Well I think we've beaten this dead horse again lol. I'm going to let the dead horse sleep some now so we can continue to beat him again soon.

Bottom line though: TKF is validated in his love of Gallo -- let's face it, he embarrassed us last night. But one game does not a career make. Melo and Pierce are HOFers most likely ... Gallo is a guy playing for his next contract and a guy who is pretty clearly worse than guys drafted after him (Gordon and Lopez specifically).

So let's not go too far with this.

TKF is right for a day but you know what -- I believe I'm more right in the long run: Our problems are 80% coaching. The pre-Melo team with Gallo and Mozgov was pretty bad and was bad in just the same way that our current team is bad: Because Mike McD'Antoni is a completely horrible, idiotic coach. If we had a good coach, we'd look a lot better ... Gallo or no Gallo, Melo or no Melo.

It's the coaching fellas. The end.

one thing KG, you can downplay all of this and throw jabs about gallo love.. but this is about a way of running a team.. gallo is just a pawn.... in the end, this is my feelings about my team, although you and many others have made this all about gallo... this could be any young talented group of players. it is about a way of doing business.. a way in which the knicks have failed and sucked at for years.. yesterday it was gallo, tomorrow it will be someone else.... but you can keep on with the gallo jabs, and gallo love.. for some reason you thinks it validates your arugument and mitiages mine.. but get this right, I have been right for more than one day, and more right than most on this forum..... Bank on that.. and right now this team stinks, as projected, I hate to be right about that... but it is what it is....

The sad thing is that you seem to be more concerned with tearing down gallo than just owning up to the fact that the knicks are so poorly run that moves like this will continue to happen, and how can you put any faith in an organization like that... just own up to it.. I have.. you are making this about gallo.. not the rest of us...

So true ...... I've read your posts throughout the trade talks and onward and you've been steadfast in your opinions. And you've been right on. You like Gallo and so do many others and some people wanted a home grown, fundamentally sound baller on the team who in hindsight we just gave up like a piece of trash.

I enjoy watching a fundamentally sound baller doing all the little things right to make a formidable team. Gallo was that guy. I see why you mention Gallo a lot ...... not because you're a fanboy of his, but because he is the EXACT type player that you are seeking to be part of the Knick experience. A player who is an integral part of a TEAM.

Yet our management continues to go after high profile celebrities with games so flawed that it's just amazing that they can continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. Posters bring up your fanboy love of Gallo because they are wrong wrong wrong. They can't argue with what you laid out on the table that possibly was to be after the trade because you have been right. Gallo was a key player in that trade. If it was Fields (in hindsight) it woulda been ok. But losing that glue guy like Gallo was devastating, especially when he was a draft pick.

[emo]

still waiting for the answer about besides odom and durant, what 6'10" player can do what gallinari does.

I don't know if you're talking about ability or production, but here's my list.

Hedo
Mike Dunleavy
Rashard Lewis
Donte Green
Austin Daye

If you wanna tip it down a little to 6'9, it gets interesting.

[Manhattan Project]

Post game thoughts:
Ex Knicks - 83 with Gallo and Harrington as the catalyst.
Points traded away to create Amar'e and Melo, 77.
Points Melo scored, 25 with three quarters of MIA.
Amar'e is so useless on offense that he played defense.
Reasoning for Walker not getting more minutes?
Another L for the Knicks, one in which would have been a huge confidence boost not only for Melo but the Knicks team in general.

[K_ick_God]

still waiting for the answer about besides odom and durant, what 6'10" player can do what gallinari does.

I don't know if you're talking about ability or production, but here's my list.

Hedo
Mike Dunleavy
Rashard Lewis
Donte Green
Austin Daye

If you wanna tip it down a little to 6'9, it gets interesting.

Al Harrington even.

He has rare guard-like skills for a guy that big but that wasn't my point. Nobody is telling me if Larry Bird was a great athlete or Chris Mullen.

[NBA Fan 1234]

still waiting for the answer about besides odom and durant, what 6'10" player can do what gallinari does.

I don't know if you're talking about ability or production, but here's my list.

Hedo

If you wanna tip it down a little to 6'9, it gets interesting.

fixed...and even putting Hedo there is pushing it.

[Clyde_Style]

Yo yo yo
Athlete schmathlete
All I wanna know is
do they move their feet
and when the clock is ticking
do they deliver the rock
to its final destination
cuz I don't care if
you jook it like Jackie Gleason
or like my old grandmother
or like a slick ballerina
you dig?

[emo]

fixed...and even putting Hedo there is pushing it.

Danilo Gallinari is god like.

[NBA Fan 1234]

fixed...and even putting Hedo there is pushing it.

Danilo Gallinari is god.

Not saying that, but in terms of production, ability, potential, and everything else you want in a basketball player, Gallo is better than the guys you listed.

[Knicker23]

Nuggets are playing well, Knicks can't be playing worse... Knicks are in shambles.. Nuggets have won four in a row.. Beyond it being sad that that is the case, it is also telling that given that, the game was neck and neck and as close as it was.... Sure we shouldn't be taking 'moral victories' from how close a game with Denver is, but those are the facts of the matter.

The Knicks, of the two, obviously are the team that stand to improve way more than the way they played as well. That's a given when you are playing as low as you really can.. You stand to have the most room for improvement... Where as the Nuggets played a very good game, career game for Gallo...Sure Affalo was out... But between getting guys healthy, figuring out the offense, and Baron's return, Amare not doing anything - we are the team that stands to look like a different team when things are clicking and guys are back, which will come - not as much with Denver.

We should have won the game, while we couldn't really be playing any worse.. we're getting our PG back, Amare and Melo can't continue to play like **** forever - we are the team that can get much much much better. Sure Denver can improve, but not at the drastic way we can [which comes with playing so bad...]. Yet the teams were even.

Love to be the winning team, saying how we can improve.. and we very easily could have been...Knicks just need to get things ironed out and we are the better team.... When both teams are healthy, playing well, Baron's in the lineup, we are the better team. No doubt in my mind. Just a matter of how long until we get to that point.

[Clyde_Style]

fixed...and even putting Hedo there is pushing it.

Danilo Gallinari is god like.

More accurately, he is a totemic beacon of supernatural powers

[dk7th]

he has a quick enough first step such that his defenders have to reach in and foul him or he goes by them to the hoop. and it helps that he is 6'10", all arms and legs, and can put the ball on the floor for a few dribbles. he uses his body excellently in spite of the fact that he is not a fast runner or a high jumper.

anyone who can use his body to an advantage in a sport is an athlete. any athlete who can continue to find success repeatedly in this fashion is an above-average athlete. gallinari is not an elite athlete but he is a nightmare to guard and since basketball is a game of skill and mind i would say you need to remove the hater glasses you've been wearing.

He's rarely fouled on his first step. He's fouled after a few power dribbles.

if he didn't have a quick enough first step he wouldn't be getting fouled after the quick first step. and it isn't after a few power dribbles, because with a few power dribbles he's at the rim. god almighty guy just give it up the kid is shrewd and clever and uses his physicality to an advantage especially over shorter defenders and slower defenders.

[emo]

fixed...and even putting Hedo there is pushing it.

Danilo Gallinari is god like.

More accurately, he is a totemic beacon of supernatural powers

^^ I already told you about using those words and terms I can barely pronounce.. muchless understand.

[Starksmadness]

The day Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone, he already had three missed calls from Danilo Gallinari

[K_ick_God]

The day Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone, he already had three missed calls from Danilo Gallinari

lol