Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

[Marlo Stanfield]

We need multiple picks more than ever, and arguably have the assets needed to acquire them. But, I'm not getting my hopes up depending on Colangelo. He let me down more than a few times.

[Consequence]

^Fair points, but I don't think moving them all for picks this year is prudent. See what happens in free agency as to a point guard, see which position our own draft pick yields. Do some tweaking during next season again. We aren't going to be particularly good next year either, but hitting reset this summer and trading young pieces for draft picks just continues to prolong the process of misery.

[Victorious1]

why don't we just get 5 draft picks in this draft and field kabongo, lamb, barnes, davis and drummond as our starting five next year?

(do people not realize how dumb some of these pipe-dreams sound??)

The reason Portland has been so good over the last few years is that they took advantage in acquiring cheap assets in multiple 1st round picks for a few years. Thereby collecting great young talent and great depth. The Raps will always be at a disadvantage in attracting tier 1 or even tier 2 talent in FA.
The cheapest way to attain potential all-star talent is through the draft. And in a draft as deep with talent as this one, it only makes good sence to get multiple high picks this year. I am sure we as fans, as well as BC, won't put up with this kind of embarrassing losing (tanking) for long. Who knows, this maybe our last chance to get a top 5 pick, or high lottery pick for years. And with the depth of this draft, if we don't want to at BEST, forever be a TREADMILL team, then, we better take advantage THIS DRAFT!

Barnes AND Lamb AND Kabongo!

[Marvin!]

why don't we just get 5 draft picks in this draft and field kabongo, lamb, barnes, davis and drummond as our starting five next year?

(do people not realize how dumb some of these pipe-dreams sound??)

The reason Portland has been so good over the last few years is that they took advantage in acquiring cheap assets in multiple 1st round picks for a few years. Thereby collecting great young talent and great depth. The Raps will always be at a disadvantage in attracting tier 1 or even tier 2 talent in FA.
The cheapest way to attain potential all-star talent is through the draft. And in a draft as deep with talent as this one, it only makes good sence to get multiple high picks this year. I am sure we as fans, as well as BC, won't put up with this kind of embarrassing losing (tanking) for long. Who knows, this maybe our last chance to get a top 5 pick, or high lottery pick for years. And with the depth of this draft, if we don't want to at BEST, forever be a TREADMILL team, then, we better take advantage THIS DRAFT!

Barnes AND Lamb AND Kabongo!

Because this is a "a draft as deep with talent as this one, it only makes good sence to get multiple high picks this year." why would other teams give up their first round picks this year? That's the point i'm making.

It would be difficult enough to get a 2nd first round pick this year, getting a 3rd is so outside the realm of possibility that its not even funny.

[Marlo Stanfield]

why don't we just get 5 draft picks in this draft and field kabongo, lamb, barnes, davis and drummond as our starting five next year?

(do people not realize how dumb some of these pipe-dreams sound??)

The reason Portland has been so good over the last few years is that they took advantage in acquiring cheap assets in multiple 1st round picks for a few years. Thereby collecting great young talent and great depth. The Raps will always be at a disadvantage in attracting tier 1 or even tier 2 talent in FA.
The cheapest way to attain potential all-star talent is through the draft. And in a draft as deep with talent as this one, it only makes good sence to get multiple high picks this year. I am sure we as fans, as well as BC, won't put up with this kind of embarrassing losing (tanking) for long. Who knows, this maybe our last chance to get a top 5 pick, or high lottery pick for years. And with the depth of this draft, if we don't want to at BEST, forever be a TREADMILL team, then, we better take advantage THIS DRAFT!

Barnes AND Lamb AND Kabongo!

Because this is a "a draft as deep with talent as this one, it only makes good sence to get multiple high picks this year." why would other teams give up their first round picks this year? That's the point i'm making.

It would be difficult enough to get a 2nd first round pick this year, getting a 3rd is so outside the realm of possibility that its not even funny.

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[prototype]

Every year we talk about acquiring another top 10 pick and end up disappointed. You guys seem to think they're easily attainable when it's not especially in a deep draft. Notable top 10 trades for picks: Ray Allen, J-Rich, Shane Battier, Antwan Jamieson, Mike Miller + Randy Foye, and taking on Baron Davis' contract.

For the last one, I doubt BC is willing to take a large contract of a mediocre player after bragging about the cap space we have preserved. Looking at the list of players I've named, the only player that is on those guys level is Bargnani and it seems like none of you are willing to part with him now. Ed and DeMar could probably land a us a mid-late 1st round pick individually but no team wants to take two raw players together that hasn't shown much over a young, higher potential, maybe franchise altering player in the top 10.

[Rapsfan07]

All fair points.

But what if we're not after a a Top 10 pick. I can't see any of those being traded to be honest. But what about a deal centered around Ed for Quincy Miller. He's projected to go #12 and could very well go lower. I wouldn't hesitate to make that move. We need a SF really badly and we're overstocked at PF and since Ed is our best trade chip that late in the draft, I think it's fair.

I'd prefer moving Bargs for a pick and more but I highly doubt BC moves him unfortunately.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

All fair points.

But what if we're not after a a Top 10 pick. I can't see any of those being traded to be honest. But what about a deal centered around Ed for Quincy Miller. He's projected to go #12 and could very well go lower. I wouldn't hesitate to make that move. We need a SF really badly and we're overstocked at PF and since Ed is our best trade chip that late in the draft, I think it's fair.

If Quincy plays like he did yesterday, he's going high. And you know those college hero bigs are going to drop once they're measured, which doesn't help.

[Undefeated]

If Quincy Miller goes outside of top 10, he'll be a steal imo. Too much skills and potential to be given up.

[RaptorReloaded]

Every year we talk about acquiring another top 10 pick and end up disappointed. You guys seem to think they're easily attainable when it's not especially in a deep draft. Notable top 10 trades for picks: Ray Allen, J-Rich, Shane Battier, Antwan Jamieson, Mike Miller + Randy Foye, and taking on Baron Davis' contract.

For the last one, I doubt BC is willing to take a large contract of a mediocre player after bragging about the cap space we have preserved. Looking at the list of players I've named, the only player that is on those guys level is Bargnani and it seems like none of you are willing to part with him now. Ed and DeMar could probably land a us a mid-late 1st round pick individually but no team wants to take two raw players together that hasn't shown much over a young, higher potential, maybe franchise altering player in the top 10.

I would trade bargs for a top ten pick in a heart beat. A couple good games with an entire offense designed for you like Dirk doesn't cut it.

[nahom1319]

I would trade bargs for a top ten pick in a heart beat. A couple good games with an entire offense designed for you like Dirk doesn't cut it.

Sooo your opposed to what exactly? The sample size or the fact that our best offensive player has been put in a position to succeed because to me it sounds like both.

[Dr Positivity]

A problem with the BC era is he doesn't understand the concept of saving capspace and using it to get assets.

Washington is a good example of how to get more draft picks. They had the capspace to take Hinrich and a #17 draft pick (Seraphin) together so Chicago could try the 3 max in summer 2010. They then traded Hinrich for Jordan Crawford and another #18 (Singleton)

Sam Presti and OKC of course were the masters of this type of thinking. That led to Ibaka, Thabo and manufacturing a lottery pick (Aldrich) out of thin air - the last one didn't work out but it was worth the effort

BC has never, ever shown that he even recognizes this strategy. The Kleiza signing was one of the most useless in Raptors history. We were a rebuilding team and had no need for an expensive vet like Kleiza. BC spent that contract because he could. What else was there to spend on right? Wrong. Smart teams realize that you can take that money committed to Kleiza and trade it to other teams who need it more. All money spent includes oppurtunity cost. Maybe instead of Min facilitating the Melo trade by taking Curry/Randolph, it's us. Now we have an Anthony Randolph to trade for a draft pick at some point. Maybe Boston really wants to get under the lux tax this year and is looking someone to take JO's contract, and would give up an asset for it. Etc. Etc.

BC never has anything to trade for an extra draft pick. That's why we don't have them.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Wrong thread.

[SkywalkerAC]

We've got capspace this year to use in trades to pick up picks/young players but given that we'll already have two rookies next season and that BC will want to make a major leap in competitiveness next season (don't forget that short contract extension) and I wouldn't really expect BC to pick up another lotto pick. a later pick is more realistic but far from a necessity.

young players generally don't win in the NBA and BC will be hunting for the playoffs. expect a pick that can come in and produce and fit Casey's culture.

[fredericklove]

We've got capspace this year to use in trades to pick up picks/young players but given that we'll already have two rookies next season and that BC will want to make a major leap in competitiveness next season (don't forget that short contract extension) and I wouldn't really expect BC to pick up another lotto pick. a later pick is more realistic but far from a necessity.

young players generally don't win in the NBA and BC will be hunting for the playoffs. expect a pick that can come in and produce and fit Casey's culture.

I can only see Davis, Barnes, MKG or Lamb fitting Casey's culture

[fredericklove]

HELL YEAH!![/b][/size]

This gif right after the last one is a little too effed up

Jack: HELLO!!

[Rapsfan07]

We've got capspace this year to use in trades to pick up picks/young players but given that we'll already have two rookies next season and that BC will want to make a major leap in competitiveness next season (don't forget that short contract extension) and I wouldn't really expect BC to pick up another lotto pick. a later pick is more realistic but far from a necessity.

young players generally don't win in the NBA and BC will be hunting for the playoffs. expect a pick that can come in and produce and fit Casey's culture.

But I read somewhere on this board that it was Peddie who is telling him to rebuild it properly. If I was BC's boss and he didn't try everything to get another lottery pick, I'd fire him straight up. It would look better on him and his record if he brought in 3 rookies than out another product like this one on the court.

If he's serious about building a winner, he will make the necessary moves. He has pieces and it's time to make the moves. We're not a hot spot for FA's so I'm sure what he plans on doing or who he plans on signing but the draft is the best way to acquire talent.

Draft Drummond, trade Ed for Quincy Miller.

[SkywalkerAC]

We've got capspace this year to use in trades to pick up picks/young players but given that we'll already have two rookies next season and that BC will want to make a major leap in competitiveness next season (don't forget that short contract extension) and I wouldn't really expect BC to pick up another lotto pick. a later pick is more realistic but far from a necessity.

young players generally don't win in the NBA and BC will be hunting for the playoffs. expect a pick that can come in and produce and fit Casey's culture.

But I read somewhere on this board that it was Peddie who is telling him to rebuild it properly. If I was BC's boss and he didn't try everything to get another lottery pick, I'd fire him straight up. It would look better on him and his record if he brought in 3 rookies than out another product like this one on the court.

If he's serious about building a winner, he will make the necessary moves. He has pieces and it's time to make the moves. We're not a hot spot for FA's so I'm sure what he plans on doing or who he plans on signing but the draft is the best way to acquire talent.

Draft Drummond, trade Ed for Quincy Miller.

i just don't know that Ed has that kind of value at this point.

as for Peddie and BC, i think that conversation was in relation to not jeopardizing the 2012 tank. BC will have the green light to put a competitive team on the court for next season.

again, it's quite possible that we take on a veteran on a larger contract (that expires in 2013) and land a later first rounder but getting a lottery pick in a deep draft is not the easy task that many are making it out to be.

[fredericklove]

Draft Drummond? Sure, if you want to draft a long term project to set our franchise backward, then go ahead.

[CunningLinguist]

Draft Drummond? Sure, if you want to draft a long term project to set our franchise backward, then go ahead.

If we're serious about acquiring a star player, we have to take a chance on a guy with huge potential at both ends of the floor. It's tough to hit a home run when you're trying to bunt.