How do we keep the offensive flow when Wade comes back?

[DefenseWins]

Exactly my point, there is good and bad when Wade is out. We still NEED Wade for the playoffs no doubt. Like you said I dont see alot of LBJ/BOSH pick and pop chemistry when Wade is on the court. I feel that Wade should let LBJ dominate the ball more, Wade should move without the ball which he's pretty good at. It's like whenever D-Wade has the ball, LBJ is standing in the corner (NOT INVOLVED IN THE OFFENSE AT ALL). When LBJ has the ball, D-Wade is standing in the corner (NOT INVOLVED IN THE OFFENSE AT ALL). So one of these guys need to learn how to move without the ball, thats what MJ and Scottie did. What's wrong with me being critical? Why do I have to get banned for it? I don't like Chris Bosh whats wrong with that? Last night, it was a bad timing for me to do that cuz Chris was having himself a good game lol. but anyways, Championship or Bust! LEGGO.

Sorry but this is just wrong. Wade has done a great job of adjusting without the ball. The entire season he's been moving without the ball. He's coming off screens a lot more. He barely handles the ball at all compared to how much he used to. This team is at it's best when neither, especially LeBron, are dominating the ball. I think LeBron still needs work there. His jumper is automatic. He needs to be coming off those screens more for those jumpers.

Then why'd he need to ball so much in the 4th and kept missing if he did a great job adjusting without the ball? I wish someone posted Wade in the 4th against ATL or GSW.

He does do it well, but he STILL needs the ball in his hands. I'm not saying to completely take the ball out of Wade's hands, but more movement would make the offense better. Or if he knows for a fact he doesn't have it going, stop friggin shooting. Then again this crap only happened when Wade is injured. Which is why I want him to sit down until he is 100%.

[contract]

any more ideas?

Yes ...

Lebron -----> Orlando

Howard -----> Miami

Problem solved. Riley is just being as stubborn as a mule.

[ScreaminCmen]

Leave it to some Heat fans to come to conclusions after a couple of games at the start of the season. Maybe we need to wait and see how a healthy D-Wade fairs before we start down this road..

All this talk about limiting his minutes or even worse, forcing him to come off the bench is ridiculous in my opinion. Hell I'm even hearing people suggesting that Wade tone it down a bit and learn to defer to Lebron from now on. IMO, that's not the Wade we need to win in the playoffs. We need both Lebron and Wade going full force, something that was working out well in the playoffs last year(up until the finals).

Heat fans always complain about how the media never gives Wade the respect he deserves. Well no kidding, seeing as his own fan base treats his the same way at times. Sorry if I come off harsh, but this stuff is really getting to me.

Truer words have never been spoken. Wade hears and reads these ridiculous talks and it motivates him; his belief is stronger than your doubt.

Probably true, but I think its pathetic that it has to come to that for Wade in order to motivate him to play like the BIW we know and love. Why shouldn't a championship or having the chance to be the best in the league be motivation enough?

Some of the negative stuff I'm reading about him on this board by so called fans (and the lack of certain posters to defend him) is just crazy though. Sadly it gives credence to the idiots that say the Heat have a bad fanbase.

I think some of the fanbase is forgetting that he is playing injured. And when he plays injured he sucks. Its not that he is using this for his only motivation, he is motivated by the championship. This is just fans being stupid and not realizing the facts.

[SideshowBob]

I know you guys probably when other teams' fans take too much interest in your team, but I figured I'd post this anyway. I posted this on the GB, it's just a quick study of how Miami looks with and without Wade, and without Wade and Lebron. As I point out in the first paragraph, it's more to study trends and less for coming to any conclusions.

Okay, just crunched the numbers. Before posting anything, I'm going to point out that this is from a 15 game sample, that has further been reduced to splits of 9, 6, and 1 games. Therefore, to make any conclusions is unwarranted, this is more to just note trends. Another disclaimer, Wade has been injured in some of the games he has played, so obviously that's going to have a negative effect on the games he played in as well.

With that said, what I did was look at the Heat's Offensive/Defensive efficiency in every game with and without Wade, as well as the game without Wade and Lebron. I also listed the pace factor in each game, as well as each opponent's W/L record and SRS. I then derived an average for the SOS, oppSRS, team ORTG, team DRTG, and team Pace.







First point of notice. With Wade, the Heat have played a rather weak schedule, with an SOS of .462 and a combined oppSRS rating of -0.73. It should be noted that both Boston and Dallas have gotten off to weak starts, and that if they start playing better, that'll change the SOS number a little bit. Without Wade, they've played a stronger schedule by SOS, but they're oppSRS is only a bit above the league average of 0.00.

Second, the pace. When Wade plays, the Heat push the ball a lot more, and play far and away the fastest basketball in the league. They get out in transition and on the break a lot more frequently, and why wouldn't they when they have two deadly fastbreak finishers in Wade and Lebron.

On the other hand, when Wade's out, they play at a pace of 90.73 possessions per game, good for about 21st in the league, and right in line with Lebron's Cavs teams. They don't get out on the break nearly as often, as it seems Lebron has more control of the offense, and he prefers a slow paced halfcourt game.

Third, despite not getting nearly as much high-percentage transition shots, the slow paced, without Wade Heat have put up an ORTG that is 11.05 points per possession higher than the high octane Wade/Lebron offense. My hunch is that they're getting a lot more open 3 pointers with this kind of style, and the return of Mike Miller in the past week also skews the results. It would be interesting to also take a look at the Four Factors individually to get an even better idea of how the offense changes when Wade isn't in the lineup.

Next, defensively, they would be expected to be better playing a slower paced game, as a less risky halfcourt offense would probably lead to fewer turnovers and high percentage transition buckets for the opponents. The change in DRTG isn't all that large, and once again, a look at the defensive four factors would paint a better picture of what Miami does differently with and without Wade.

So all in all, with a 16 game sample, Miami looks like a different team with Wade than without, and that would certainly be expected when you're missing a top high usage wing player. I'll try to keep this updated as the season progresses.

[Chessboxer]

I think Wade should be more of a passer, he penetrates better. Especially since Miller and Battier have entered, unless Wade gets a good look at the basket.

There have been times where the Heat would go on a roll just because of Wade getting guys open and he's hitting them and good things happen if they make their shots.

the Heat vs ATL game was a indicator of that. Wade was passing, good things were happening. Then he takes the dumbest shots and somewhat cost the game for the Heat. When he's injured he's flat out terrible. I don't get why he does this in the 4th quarter of all quarters when the team is trying to battle back or take a lead...

Also... getting Bosh more involved. The pick and pop with LBJ and Bosh is fantastic. You don't see that a lot when Wade handles the ball.

ALSO, Wade off a screen with a catch and shoot is also very good. More catch and shoots with LBJ (seen it the past few games) and Wade is unstoppable. What can a team possibly do if both of them are hitting their jumpers?

With a HEALTHY Wade everything will be fine. If he comes back 80%.... oh god....

oh and Wade seems to be better in the post than LBJ when kicking it out In the beginning of the season of loved it when they were in the post and dictating the offense, it worked.

Exactly my point, there is good and bad when Wade is out. We still NEED Wade for the playoffs no doubt. Like you said I dont see alot of LBJ/BOSH pick and pop chemistry when Wade is on the court. I feel that Wade should let LBJ dominate the ball more,

How much more touches is actually necessary for Lebron? Even with a healthy Wade, he still gets the most touches on the team.

Wade has adjusted to Lebron quite well. He has refined his post game,and regularly comes off screens/curls either cutting to the basket or hitting the midrange shot. All these criticisms being blasted at Wade are things he is already doing.

The problem is that Wade is injured and in the losses he was playing injured. Also Miller has returned from injury and is playing well, Curry has been reactivated as well. The team looked completely fine offensively the first 2 games of the regular season when Wade was healthy.

[kyphi]

Has Riley ever traded with a divisional opponent?

[imd0pe]

I think Wade should be more of a passer, he penetrates better. Especially since Miller and Battier have entered, unless Wade gets a good look at the basket.

There have been times where the Heat would go on a roll just because of Wade getting guys open and he's hitting them and good things happen if they make their shots.

the Heat vs ATL game was a indicator of that. Wade was passing, good things were happening. Then he takes the dumbest shots and somewhat cost the game for the Heat. When he's injured he's flat out terrible. I don't get why he does this in the 4th quarter of all quarters when the team is trying to battle back or take a lead...

Also... getting Bosh more involved. The pick and pop with LBJ and Bosh is fantastic. You don't see that a lot when Wade handles the ball.

ALSO, Wade off a screen with a catch and shoot is also very good. More catch and shoots with LBJ (seen it the past few games) and Wade is unstoppable. What can a team possibly do if both of them are hitting their jumpers?

With a HEALTHY Wade everything will be fine. If he comes back 80%.... oh god....

oh and Wade seems to be better in the post than LBJ when kicking it out In the beginning of the season of loved it when they were in the post and dictating the offense, it worked.

Exactly my point, there is good and bad when Wade is out. We still NEED Wade for the playoffs no doubt. Like you said I dont see alot of LBJ/BOSH pick and pop chemistry when Wade is on the court. I feel that Wade should let LBJ dominate the ball more,

How much more touches is actually necessary for Lebron? Even with a healthy Wade, he still gets the most touches on the team.

Wade has adjusted to Lebron quite well. He has refined his post game,and regularly comes off screens/curls either cutting to the basket or hitting the midrange shot. All these criticisms being blasted at Wade are things he is already doing.

The problem is that Wade is injured and in the losses he was playing injured. Also Miller has returned from injury and is playing well, Curry has been reactivated as well. The team looked completely fine offensively the first 2 games of the regular season when Wade was healthy.

the team did not look completely fine, the team often looked like we had no half court offense. The spacing was clogged with wade in, with him out everything looked smooth.

He obviously is very important for us, so we need to figure it out when he gets back, dont be fooled, we need spacing, and with wade not being a great shooter...it looks chaotic at times unless we get fast breaks.

[Chosen01]

Wade was injured, Wade was injured Wade was injured.
Everyone was saying how the unstoppabe the offense looked in the first two games, god you guys have really bad memory.

[Cloud765]

Wade was injured, Wade was injured Wade was injured.
Everyone was saying how the unstoppabe the offense looked in the first two games, god you guys have really bad memory.

Game 1 and 2 looked showtime lakers, 97 bulls-esque. Plantar fascitis, in ANY of it's shapes and forms, is the worst possible non-surgery injury that a player like Wade can get. He's not going to be the same when he forces it back, and it will be a while before he's himself.

RealGM fans kneejerking and having selective short term memory; What else is new?

[This IsMy House]

I think its obvious now with how slow and awful this offense has been playing especially the last two nights that Wade will fit right back in and provide a nice spark. I think have Battier, and Jones playing these minutes slows the team down, especially on defense since they are no where near the speed/caliber as Wade.

[kyphi]

It was flowing OK tonight

[This IsMy House]

I think he found his place, and I'm sick of this Bosh doenst play well with Wade on the floor. He had wide open looks last night and missed them. But he's been playing a lot so he can take a the night off and let Wade ball out.