Knicks-Nuggets Post Game (Free Candy Strikes)

[Rasho Brezec]

still waiting for the answer about besides odom and durant, what 6'10" player can do what gallinari does.

I don't know if you're talking about ability or production, but here's my list.

Hedo
Mike Dunleavy
Rashard Lewis
Donte Green
Austin Daye

If you wanna tip it down a little to 6'9, it gets interesting.

Dunleavy is 6'9. Greene and Daye can't dribble their way to the basket. Lewis might have been able to do that before he got his money.

[Rasho Brezec]

Top 5 players out of 2008 NBA draft, in that order:

1. Derrick Rose
2. Kevin Love
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Danillo Gallinari
5. Eric Gordon

[NOOB77]

Gallo is not better than Gordon sorry

[K_ick_God]

Top 5 players out of 2008 NBA draft, in that order:

1. Derrick Rose
2. Kevin Love
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Danillo Gallinari
5. Eric Gordon

So in a survey of 30 GM's about how many do you think would agree with the claim that Gallo is a higher value prospect than Brook or Gordon, if you had to guess?

This is about an objective measure of their value, not yours or KnicksGod's, who was on record well before the Melo trade as having thought that Gallo is a disappointment, both before last season and especially after he did not make strides last season.

So how many GMs take Danilo over BL or EG?

[K_ick_God]

Gallo is not better than Gordon sorry

I kind of hate B-Lo and until he rebounds and defends and stops chucking, he's too Eddy Curry for my tastes. But that said, he's a center averaging 18+ PPG on his rookie contract. That's a lot to work with.

You are not getting a conversation started with a trade built around Gallo for Dwight as has happened with Brook. Yeah he's overrated but his value is > Gallo in a trade.

[dk7th]

the ranking should be based on how well a player contributes to winning. this discussion of who is "better" is purely hypothetical-- an abstraction unless it has the context of winning games. hence the nba doesn't hand put awards for the "best" player but the "most valuable" player. "value" has to do with how well a player contributes to his team's wins.

does gordon contribute more to his team winning than gallinari? what about westbrook?

[Rasho Brezec]

20 out of 30 GM's.

[NOOB77]

So because Denver has a better TEAM than the Hornets that means Gallo is a better player? Pretty silly if that is your only argument for Gallo being better

[DocZaius]

Gordon is individually a better talent than Gallo by a small margin

[Thugger HBC]

the ranking should be based on how well a player contributes to winning. this discussion of who is "better" is purely hypothetical-- an abstraction unless it has the context of winning games. hence the nba doesn't hand put awards for the "best" player but the "most valuable" player. "value" has to do with how well a player contributes to his team's wins.

does gordon contribute more to his team winning than gallinari? what about westbrook?

That's not a good basis.

Westbrook was a major contributor to reaching the WCF if we are just using.......winning, and the team he is a major part of is predicted to reach the finals.

[Sprewell4Three]

outstanding analysis on how to stop gallinari. let me see if i understand you:

1) he has yet to show he can hit the 3 reliably so there's no need to really crowd him-- yet guys do. and when they do he puts the ball on the floor to draw a foul and usually does. and biting on head and ball fakes is easily neutralized if you focus on his belly since the belly is the only part of the body you can't deke a defender with.

2) he really has not shown much of a midrange shot off the dribble either so why not let him take that shot until he proves he can make it? sort of like guys laying off rajon rondo-- give him room until he proves he can hit that shot that doesn't presently exist in his arsenal?

so why isn't the league figuring this out?

I guess the scouting report is to crowd him and run him off that 3 point line. Problem is Gallo is not a knock down 3 pointer shooter so there's no need to crowd him. Teams need to update their scouting reports...

[Reservoirdawgs]

Minor gotcha. I was trying to be hopeful or irritate Nets fans or deluded by the Summer of LeBron?

Midwestern folks do seem to be a lot more gullible than the coasters, particularly the NY east coasters. They seem to buy into anything if it something they really want to believe, honestly.

Well isn't that interesting.

[dk7th]

okay guys if y'all say so. westbrook and gordon are both "better" than gallinari.

still, westbrook is overvalued. he got that contract not on what he accomplished but on a chance he will develop into a great player. in a couple of years as he slows down the thunder will unload him. he doesn't have a game that ages well so the thunder had better win n the next 2-3 years. and you know what they have a good chance of doing so-- but harden is a better basketball player than westbrook.

[KnicksScholar24]

stephon referring to d'antoni:

- "he doesn't have a system.[b] [u]Just play is his system. 5 years of hood winking"
- "They need one more basketball and a new coach ... Melo is not a DPHONY type of guy."

stephon referring to the media trying to bait amar'e and carmelo into saying something negative about one another:

- "all melo has to do is play and say nothing other then what happened in the game. They want him and stat to get into it."

Marbury knows what he's talking about. I say the Knicks should fire Dumb'toni, do something to make Dolan sell the team, and bring Starbury back to NY.

[K_ick_God]

20 out of 30 GM's.

Well kudos for giving a concrete number. I'd be curious what others think of that estimate.

[dk7th]

20 out of 30 GM's.

Well kudos for giving a concrete number. I'd be curious what others think of that estimate.

well it is about need and fit as much as anything. the league is moving away from old-school centers and is becoming increasingly perimeter oriented. lopez is a mediocre low post player, a weak rebounder, and a weak defender.

i would pick gallinari ahead of lopez unless i had no center and i wanted a classic throwback center. that means a gm picks gallinari about 25 out of 30 times.

gallinari is 6'10" and very efficient and is an above-average defender-- and you can't teach height. gordon is 6'3" and also efficient according to his statistics for eFG% and TS% for the position but not known for defending the position-- is he a good defender? i admit that i haven't seen him play enough to say for sure. also for gordon, whose usage rate is significantly higher, doesn't garner a fairer/higher share of assists.

[KnicksScholar24]

This is how a real coach is supposed to treat the team's best player:

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf ... rowin.html

Scott met with his rookie point guard Saturday in Atlanta to discuss the youngster's lax defense, which has been a source of consternation for the coach since the season started. In his most pointed comments to date, Scott said Irving's minutes won't increase until the No. 1 overall draft pick elevates his defensive intensity.

"If you can't get stops it doesn't matter what you are doing offensively because sooner or later you're going to cool down."

"You are going to run into a guy every night that can play and if you are not ready or you're lazy or you're just not into it, you are going to get eaten up," Scott said. "When he starts playing better defense and playing at the pace I want him at -- getting the ball up and down the floor the way he's capable of doing -- than his minutes will increase."

Star or no star, everyone should be held accountable. That's where it starts if you want to be a winner.

That's exactly the type of coach the Knicks need in New York, not Dumb'toni.

[DocZaius]

That's exactly the type of coach the Knicks need in New York, not Dumb'toni.

Exactly

D'Antoni has absolutely no idea how to coach.

He is nothing more than a mascot.

[CrazyKnicks]

That's exactly the type of coach the Knicks need in New York, not Dumb'toni.

Exactly

D'Antoni has absolutely no idea how to coach.

He is nothing more than a mascot.

But what kind of coach is going to do that to star players?

[Knicker23]

Watching a live U-stream of Gallo right now.. He just pulled over Rudy who was sleeping to point to a message someone wrote saying "do you want to see my boobs' - they both laughed. That is all.