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DJRajX wrote:^ ughh... for the love of God... No Amare, no Joe Johnson, no Boozer... no "~30 year old that's going to be over-the-hill in a year or two while on a bad contract" player. I hope Otis isn't that stupid.
WeAreVenom wrote:Did anyone else see this?!Sources told ESPN.com that the aforementioned Hawks, meanwhile, engaged Orlando in trade talks for Howard earlier this month with an offer believed to be headlined by $124 million guard Joe Johnson and swingman Josh Smith. You have to figure that the Magic, though, would insist on Al Horford if such discussions ever got serious.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... for-dwight
Maaaaan, I don't know about yall, but this team is starting to make me nervous. First we almost took Lopez/Wallace/1st...............and then we turned around and discussed taking on the worst contract in the league.
I understand they want to remain competitive........but this isn't the way. At all.
Reverse_Angle wrote:i think you guys are underselling your starting SG for someone who is on the verge of being cut.
in what world a 33 year old guy who made a career of being a hard nosed defender stopped being even a good defender would help magic to get better. he never shot the ball well, he is not known for being clutch and he has discipline issues.
he no longer plays like his old elf, he hasnt been in the last two years. a team with very little talent wants to CUT him.
get the **** hint.
WeAreVenom wrote:I do have a question for you guys, though.
A couple Knicks fans were saying they would rather have a complete team than trade those guys for Howard.
Would you guys do a deal revolving around Jameer/Anderson for Amare? I really think most of Amare's struggles are coming from him not having anything that even resembles a playmaker on his team, and due to that he is struggling
Bensational wrote:Reverse_Angle wrote:i think you guys are underselling your starting SG for someone who is on the verge of being cut.
in what world a 33 year old guy who made a career of being a hard nosed defender stopped being even a good defender would help magic to get better. he never shot the ball well, he is not known for being clutch and he has discipline issues.
he no longer plays like his old elf, he hasnt been in the last two years. a team with very little talent wants to CUT him.
get the **** hint.
i think your overselling our starting SG. this team is better without JRich on the court, we've got 2 younger, more capable SGs behind him, so why bother keeping him around for 4 more years? we've got a SF who's key to this team's current chemistry, but he's bound to have injuries this season, so some insurance would be nice - that's where SJax comes in. not to mention that he's capable of being much more than that, and he's even had a 37 point game this season - how many Magic players are capable of that?
the guy has sat out games in protest, so i don't think you can consider his performance based on declining ability. he's not happy there, he's made that clear, and i think his game reflects that. poor attitude? sure. but has he got the skills to help us? definitely. is JRich just duplication right now? yep. it's a fair swap.
besides, the amnesty talk is probably just that - talk. amnesty had to be used prior to the season, and can't be used again until the offseason, at which point Jackson will be a $10M expiring who can still play. may as well jump in now and buy low.
Reverse_Angle wrote:DJRajX wrote:^ ughh... for the love of God... No Amare, no Joe Johnson, no Boozer... no "~30 year old that's going to be over-the-hill in a year or two while on a bad contract" player. I hope Otis isn't that stupid.
when is the last time Otis traded for 30+ declining all-stars or almost all-stars?
man, i am scared.
Reverse_Angle wrote:why is there talks of captain jack being possibly amnestied in the first place?
Reverse_Angle wrote:i think you guys are underselling your starting SG for someone who is on the verge of being cut.
in what world a 33 year old guy who made a career of being a hard nosed defender stopped being even a good defender would help magic to get better. he never shot the ball well, he is not known for being clutch and he has discipline issues.
he no longer plays like his old elf, he hasnt been in the last two years. a team with very little talent wants to CUT him.
get the **** hint.
Reverse_Angle wrote:Bensational wrote:Reverse_Angle wrote:i think you guys are underselling your starting SG for someone who is on the verge of being cut.
in what world a 33 year old guy who made a career of being a hard nosed defender stopped being even a good defender would help magic to get better. he never shot the ball well, he is not known for being clutch and he has discipline issues.
he no longer plays like his old elf, he hasnt been in the last two years. a team with very little talent wants to CUT him.
get the **** hint.
i think your overselling our starting SG. this team is better without JRich on the court, we've got 2 younger, more capable SGs behind him, so why bother keeping him around for 4 more years? we've got a SF who's key to this team's current chemistry, but he's bound to have injuries this season, so some insurance would be nice - that's where SJax comes in. not to mention that he's capable of being much more than that, and he's even had a 37 point game this season - how many Magic players are capable of that?
the guy has sat out games in protest, so i don't think you can consider his performance based on declining ability. he's not happy there, he's made that clear, and i think his game reflects that. poor attitude? sure. but has he got the skills to help us? definitely. is JRich just duplication right now? yep. it's a fair swap.
besides, the amnesty talk is probably just that - talk. amnesty had to be used prior to the season, and can't be used again until the offseason, at which point Jackson will be a $10M expiring who can still play. may as well jump in now and buy low.
i understand your point. but when it comes to trades, it is mostly about players' stand alone value, not how they work within their respective teams. in the long run, a player may increase his value by fitting into a system or use it to his advantage (ryno, hedo, rashard, etc). a player can decrease his value as well (gortat). but neither is the case with JRich.
As everything stands today. JRich has much more value than SJax and in that sense, you are underselling our starting SG.
Think of it this way. suppose sjax was also free agent two months ago. could he be able to get a 4 year 30 mil contract?
Phantom418 wrote:Honestly I would take Stephen Jackson+any filler from the Bucks, if it gets J-Rich and/or Duhon off this team.
I like the idea of J-Rich+filler for Mo Williams as well. Jameer is underplaying that's true, but Duhon and J-Rich are becoming real detriments to this team as well. Plus J-Rich is easily replaceable than Jameer is if you look at the players on this team.
I think if you put McGee back then, he would get those blocks just as easily as Russell did. Russell's athleticism was well ahead of the players of his time, and that's about it.
MagicFan32 wrote:We need Steve Nash...he would simultaneously improve Jrich's production, plus the PG spot,plus more easy looks for d12
WeAreVenom wrote:MagicFan32 wrote:We need Steve Nash...he would simultaneously improve Jrich's production, plus the PG spot,plus more easy looks for d12
Yeah, I wonder what would get that done?
I have to give him credit, though, for playing out his contract and not asking for a trade.
Driguez wrote:Wow, Mo freaking Williams? Really? That's gotta be an all time low as a Magic fan.
Nemesis21 wrote:Driguez wrote:Wow, Mo freaking Williams? Really? That's gotta be an all time low as a Magic fan.
