Peak Chris Paul vs Peak Steve Nash

[JordansBulls]

Paul for me.

[therealbig3]

Better offense does not correlate to winning? Seriously?

I guess it's better to purposely have a worse offense, since that should correlate to winning, right?

Except the numbers of below average offensive teams to win a title are about the same as the number of below average defensive teams to win a title. So offense and defense are historically equally important, which makes that statement garbage.

[Aeternus]

How is this an argument? Paul had waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less help offensively. To say he wasn't better than Nash for that 2.5 year prime is crazy. If anyone remembers he was on the way to another 21/12 season before he got hurt.

Paul has way less help than 2006 and 2011 Nash? Really? 2008 Hornets sans Paul were at least as good as 2006 Suns sans Nash, and clearly better than 2011 Suns, yet the teams had the exact same results on offense.

[G35]

Better offense does not correlate to winning? Seriously?

I guess it's better to purposely have a worse offense, since that should correlate to winning, right?

Except the numbers of below average offensive teams to win a title are about the same as the number of below average defensive teams to win a title. So offense and defense are historically equally important, which makes that statement garbage.

Don't be simple minded. Many teams can play offense. That doesn't make them a contender. It's teams that combine offense and a top 10 defense that win anything of significance. I would also place more significance on the defense than offense. A team with an average defense compared to a high powered offense is more vulnerable than a team with an average offense and a shut down defense.

Hate on it....because that high powered offense avaerage defense describes the Suns to a tee and they haven't won much of anything. Except the admiration of several stat heads.....

[kwsqd]

Nash for me. I've never seen Paul have a playoff series as good as Nash's against the Mavericks in '05.

[_Nashoholic_]

Nash for sure. Paul doesn't bring the efficiency on offense Nash did in 05 06 and 07

[_Nashoholic_]

The whole Nash never won is a poor argument as well IMO.

Yes he didn't win and yes that is a knock against him but you have to look at the situations.

Year 1: Joe Johnson breaks his face and misses the series against the Spurs in the WCF.
Year 2: Amare misses the whole season, and Nash carries the Suns to Game 6 of the WCF against the Mavs with a supporting cast of Marion, Diaw, Bell, Barbosa, Tim Thomas
Year 3: After a huge comeback on the road in Game 4, Amare gets suspended for game 5. Suns lose at home and lose the series in 6 to the Spurs.

The Suns suffered some terrible luck those first 3 years. I am willing to bet if healthy, they likely win at least 1 championship in this time frame given that the East was pretty bad.

You forgot to mention game 3 of the 2007 Spurs series where Tim Donaghy and crew lead one of the worst officiated games in pro sports history.
And 2010 when Amare was soft tissue pussy **** and Nash had to carry the team. If Amare could play D or rebound, Suns would be 2010 champs

[_Nashoholic_]

You don't see paul going for 40 and 15 in playoff games

[RandomKnight]

Nash for me. I've never seen Paul have a playoff series as good as Nash's against the Mavericks in '05.

This.

No way to argue against it. Off the top of my head I'd say Nash had arguably a top 5 GOAT playoff series against the Mavs that year.

He was punishing Cuban, which made it all the cooler.

[JordansBulls]

Nash for sure. Paul doesn't bring the efficiency on offense Nash did in 05 06 and 07

CP3 is more productive than Nash overall.

[_Game7_]

Paul easily.

Nash is one of the more overrated players in history.

+1

..apparently Nash is better than Magic now.

[JordansBulls]

You don't see paul going for 40 and 15 in playoff games

Neither does Nash.

[rrravenred]

FWIW, the nearest ANYONE has got to 40/15 in the playoffs (in the BBR era) is Allen Iverson with a 37 /15 game on Nash-ish efficiency. Paul's got one 30+ 15+ game, as does Wade and someone named John Begley.

So there you go.

[Bobbcats]

You don't see paul going for 40 and 15 in playoff games

Seriously? you can rag him for not winning series though (he hasn't had much to work with), but it's hard to find faults with his playoff statistics. He has the highest career PER of any current player in the playoffs, and he has 3 of the 100 greatest statistical games despite only playing in 4 series. http://www.basketball-reference.com/lea ... ame_p.html

[G35]

Nash for me. I've never seen Paul have a playoff series as good as Nash's against the Mavericks in '05.

This.

No way to argue against it. Off the top of my head I'd say Nash had arguably a top 5 GOAT playoff series against the Mavs that year.

He was punishing Cuban, which made it all the cooler.

Lol the Mavericks "punished" Nash next year in 2006 when they went to the finals. Oh wait they didn't have Amare is the likely excuse.

Year 2: Amare misses the whole season, and Nash carries the Suns to Game 6 of the WCF against the Mavs with a supporting cast of Marion, Diaw, Bell, Barbosa, Tim Thomas
Year 3: After a huge comeback on the road in Game 4, Amare gets suspended for game 5. Suns lose at home and lose the series in 6 to the Spurs.

The Suns suffered some terrible luck those first 3 years. I am willing to bet if healthy, they likely win at least 1 championship in this time frame given that the East was pretty bad.

You forgot to mention game 3 of the 2007 Spurs series where Tim Donaghy and crew lead one of the worst officiated games in pro sports history.
And 2010 when Amare was soft tissue pussy **** and Nash had to carry the team. If Amare could play D or rebound, Suns would be 2010 champs

Amare sure is a lot of the reasons for why the Suns didn't win. Nash was doing all the carrying until they lose then it's someone else's fault. Makes me wonder who needed who.....

[Brenice]

Have we even seen CP3's peak yet? His Clipper career could end up greater than Nash his second time around in Phoenix, with Blake being Amare for CP3.

CP3 has a better pre-peak, so to speak.

[Rapcity_11]

Have we even seen CP3's peak yet? His Clipper career could end up greater than Nash his second time around in Phoenix, with Blake being Amare for CP3.

CP3 has a better pre-peak, so to speak.

I highly doubt CP3 ever does better than what he did in 07/08/09.

[G35]

Have we even seen CP3's peak yet? His Clipper career could end up greater than Nash his second time around in Phoenix, with Blake being Amare for CP3.

CP3 has a better pre-peak, so to speak.

I highly doubt CP3 ever does better than what he did in 07/08/09.

People were saying the same thing about Nash pre-2005.....

[Rapcity_11]

Have we even seen CP3's peak yet? His Clipper career could end up greater than Nash his second time around in Phoenix, with Blake being Amare for CP3.

CP3 has a better pre-peak, so to speak.

I highly doubt CP3 ever does better than what he did in 07/08/09.

People were saying the same thing about Nash pre-2005.....

No, not really. Nash had a pattern of consistent all-star (ish) production in Dallas. Paul on the other hand had two GOAT level years followed by 2 down years riddled with injury. There's really no comparison between the two situations.

[Brenice]

Rap, don't play yourself. Give CP3 New Orleans career some credit. Nothing Nash did before Amare compared to CP3 before Blake, injury or not.